PAF to get ERIEYE/AEW/AWACS from Sweden
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Re: PAF to induct 60 Gripen jets + awacs into fleet
they won't sell to conflict zones but they can choose to sell to there customers during peace time. So rite now India and pakistan are at peace and there is no real block, that applies to either of the nations, at this point in time.Soldier said:
Re: PAF to induct 60 Gripen jets + awacs into fleet
It actually sold bofors to india in the late 1980s first due to some sort of bribe. Its all in that book " Militarization of Mother india" by Ravi Rikhye. The swedes sold the bofors to india after promising a major politician a cut of the payment for that fine piece of artillery ( the indian army put forward a demand for a medium artillery ).lalith prasad said:
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Re: PAF to induct 60 Gripen jets + awacs into fleet
swedan not sellin in a war zone is all bs. They sold orlicon to the PAk army +most of the comm net work and equipment of the army is made/supplied by ericisson, than countless number of small arms nad not to forget radars, the list goes on n on n this is just Pakistan. india too opperates lots of swede equipment. so all this talk is for the consumption of the gulable media n the public
swedan not sellin in a war zone is all bs. They sold orlicon to the PAk army +most of the comm net work and equipment of the army is made/supplied by ericisson, than countless number of small arms nad not to forget radars, the list goes on n on n this is just Pakistan. india too opperates lots of swede equipment. so all this talk is for the consumption of the gulable media n the public
Re: PAF to induct 60 Gripen jets + awacs into fleet
Gripen is not the best choice its stupidity. Pakistan should go for Mirag 2000/5/9 or newly made Rafale which is one of the best in the world. Pakistan says French ACs are expensive, Gripen is also very expensive cost $45 million per peace. If Pakistan is looking for cheaper ACs then Ukrainian SU-27 are the best choice. Pakistan can buy five SU-27 in the price of one Gripen.
Gripen is not the best choice its stupidity. Pakistan should go for Mirag 2000/5/9 or newly made Rafale which is one of the best in the world. Pakistan says French ACs are expensive, Gripen is also very expensive cost $45 million per peace. If Pakistan is looking for cheaper ACs then Ukrainian SU-27 are the best choice. Pakistan can buy five SU-27 in the price of one Gripen.
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Under current situation, Gripen is not the best choice? I hope you have your facts together before making such irresponsible comments here. Its one of the best front-line jets ever built. Its built by the Swedes (who also brought out the Viggen) who are experts at this jet fighter art to a very good extent. You only have to analyse the specs of Gripen and its capabilities (for as far as its been in service with the Swedes now) to come to terms with the reality. :cop
Under current situation, Gripen is not the best choice? I hope you have your facts together before making such irresponsible comments here. Its one of the best front-line jets ever built. Its built by the Swedes (who also brought out the Viggen) who are experts at this jet fighter art to a very good extent. You only have to analyse the specs of Gripen and its capabilities (for as far as its been in service with the Swedes now) to come to terms with the reality. :cop
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Gripen is a DECENT choice, but just like the F-16, the U.S. has made sure we don't get the Gripen (or the Eurofighter for your dreamers out there). The only country with the balls to tell the U.S. to get lost is France. So Rafale is still available. Ofcourse PAF thinks its too expensive. I think its worth it.
Mirage 2000/5/9 is even more stupid. India has TONNES of experience with Mirage 2000. We will never induct any version of mirage 2000 for the same reason India will never induct any version of the F-16... because we know MUCH more about the F-16 than them, and they know MUCH more about the Mirage 2000 than us. They would be able to jam our systems, as well as demonstrate superior use of the aircaft.ashoaib said:
Gripen is a DECENT choice, but just like the F-16, the U.S. has made sure we don't get the Gripen (or the Eurofighter for your dreamers out there). The only country with the balls to tell the U.S. to get lost is France. So Rafale is still available. Ofcourse PAF thinks its too expensive. I think its worth it.
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/769095.cms
ISLAMABAD: In a setback to Pakistan's efforts to get new generation Swedish-made Gripen fighter planes, Stockholm has said that it will not sell any weapons or weapon-related equipment to Islamabad.
"There is no question of selling them weapons or anything directly related to weapons," Swedish Foreign Minister Laila Freivalds said after her talks with visiting Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf in Stockholm on Tuesday. Before his talks with Freivalds, Musharraf, who is currently on a tour of Scandinavian countries, said that Pakistan might be interested in purchasing JAS Gripen fighter planes from Sweden.
"Pakistan is looking for a high-tech aircraft. Gripen is one of several alternatives," he was quoted as saying by Swedish newswire TT. Freivalds, however, said Sweden would not be considering to sell any weapons or weapon-related equipment to Pakistan, media reports here said. She also said the Swedish government has yet to decide whether to sell Erieye radars, which was sought to be purchased by Pakistan for its Air Force. She said a decision has to be made whether the radar came under the category of weapon. "We have yet to reach that stage," she said.
Pakistan Air Force (PAF) has been looking for alternatives to acquire new generation aircraft to modernise its ageing fleet after US declined to sell old as well as new F-16 fighter planes. Musharraf concluded his Sweden visit on Tuesday and went to Finland on a two-day trip.
Pakistan has also so far failed to get a squadron of used F-16 form Denmark which wanted to dispose them off. The sale apparently could not take place as Denmark failed to get the required permission from the US.
Eager to expand its fleet and keep up with the pace of the modernistion of the Indian Air Force, PAF currently banked on 'Thunder' developed by it jointly with China. But apparently it was not a match to new generation of fighter aircraft like Russian made Sukhois being acquired by IAF.
As last resort, PAF bought 50 French-made Mirrage aircraft grounded by the Libya Air Force (LAF), along with spare parts. LAF decided to dispose them off as it planned to acquire new aircraft following lifting of sanctions by US and EU.
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/769095.cms
ISLAMABAD: In a setback to Pakistan's efforts to get new generation Swedish-made Gripen fighter planes, Stockholm has said that it will not sell any weapons or weapon-related equipment to Islamabad.
"There is no question of selling them weapons or anything directly related to weapons," Swedish Foreign Minister Laila Freivalds said after her talks with visiting Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf in Stockholm on Tuesday. Before his talks with Freivalds, Musharraf, who is currently on a tour of Scandinavian countries, said that Pakistan might be interested in purchasing JAS Gripen fighter planes from Sweden.
"Pakistan is looking for a high-tech aircraft. Gripen is one of several alternatives," he was quoted as saying by Swedish newswire TT. Freivalds, however, said Sweden would not be considering to sell any weapons or weapon-related equipment to Pakistan, media reports here said. She also said the Swedish government has yet to decide whether to sell Erieye radars, which was sought to be purchased by Pakistan for its Air Force. She said a decision has to be made whether the radar came under the category of weapon. "We have yet to reach that stage," she said.
Pakistan Air Force (PAF) has been looking for alternatives to acquire new generation aircraft to modernise its ageing fleet after US declined to sell old as well as new F-16 fighter planes. Musharraf concluded his Sweden visit on Tuesday and went to Finland on a two-day trip.
Pakistan has also so far failed to get a squadron of used F-16 form Denmark which wanted to dispose them off. The sale apparently could not take place as Denmark failed to get the required permission from the US.
Eager to expand its fleet and keep up with the pace of the modernistion of the Indian Air Force, PAF currently banked on 'Thunder' developed by it jointly with China. But apparently it was not a match to new generation of fighter aircraft like Russian made Sukhois being acquired by IAF.
As last resort, PAF bought 50 French-made Mirrage aircraft grounded by the Libya Air Force (LAF), along with spare parts. LAF decided to dispose them off as it planned to acquire new aircraft following lifting of sanctions by US and EU.
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Re: PAF to induct 60 Gripen jets + awacs into fleet
That news has been there for like three days now! Gripens may not be coming or there may be a delayed decision over selling 'em but now PAF is just left with J-10s and Rafales. Good luck to 'em. :smokingc:
That news has been there for like three days now! Gripens may not be coming or there may be a delayed decision over selling 'em but now PAF is just left with J-10s and Rafales. Good luck to 'em. :smokingc:
Re: PAF to induct 60 Gripen jets + awacs into fleet
this is the most ridiculous news i have heard, i can't believeive it both media Pakistani and indian media can extrapolate and then add so much to such a small comment. this was the news media of Sweden which said they have law preventing sales the FM of Sweden only said they would have to evaluate the sales!!. And Pakistan did not buy those 50 Mirages as a last resort !! I cannot believe some one can be so thick so to even say this !!!!
this is the most ridiculous news i have heard, i can't believeive it both media Pakistani and indian media can extrapolate and then add so much to such a small comment. this was the news media of Sweden which said they have law preventing sales the FM of Sweden only said they would have to evaluate the sales!!. And Pakistan did not buy those 50 Mirages as a last resort !! I cannot believe some one can be so thick so to even say this !!!!
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celsius gave the bribe to indian officials for buying the bofors guns it is currently offering india advanced version of bofors .they might have sold them to india because they are not ultra high technology systems like grippens also i think oerlikons is a swiss company and besides rafale costs about 65 million dollars pakistan can never acquire them in large numbers it will drain funding for acquisition of defence technologies by the army and navy.
celsius gave the bribe to indian officials for buying the bofors guns it is currently offering india advanced version of bofors .they might have sold them to india because they are not ultra high technology systems like grippens also i think oerlikons is a swiss company and besides rafale costs about 65 million dollars pakistan can never acquire them in large numbers it will drain funding for acquisition of defence technologies by the army and navy.
Re: PAF to induct 60 Gripen jets + awacs into fleet
Foreign Minister of Sweden never said they would never deny PAF the gripens (PAF was the first nation to show interest in the Grips, teh swedes always wanted to sell the grips to PAF) , As planned Mush only discussed the AWACS, since the deal has been running along the table since 1990, the swedes would sell the Grips but the main problem would be the Delay!! the Delay to pakistan is unacceptable !! since PAk is an MMNA it wants the F-16 because it would be eligible for Priority deliveries at discount rates. i think thats why they have postponed the deal till next month when the US and Pakistani official are going to be discussing a defense deals. the News media of all three nations are Blaggers here Pakistan media the first one second the Indian media (both take it to the extreame) and the third is the swede media which knows very little about the deal it's selflalith prasad said:
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All those mirages that the PAF bought will be canabalised, all of em. :mad So amit ur tellin me as PAF could not find any thing else they bought planes to use as spares. amit before u go around spreadin junk, ud better do some research n than post wt ever. its better to remain quit than post bs :cop
All those mirages that the PAF bought will be canabalised, all of em. :mad So amit ur tellin me as PAF could not find any thing else they bought planes to use as spares. amit before u go around spreadin junk, ud better do some research n than post wt ever. its better to remain quit than post bs :cop
The rafale is out of the question just like EF-2000. But its basically a rough sketch of the gripen anyway so why not have a go?
Im glad ashoaib is considering the Su-27s just like me. These babies along with some the JF-17 and some more variety of med tech aircraft from the chinese arsenal would let the PAF build up to a maximum of 600 aircraft, all of them something like an upgraded F-16A.
Or we could just forget about aircraft and go for chinese sams. They have their own versions of Hawks (Ks-1) and crotales ( HQ-7) plus SA-15s and FT-2000s. What could be better?
BTW for all you ppl out there hunting for AEW systems out there, read about the Aerosat system. This sytem generally uses a light radar sytem being kept aloft using a helium balloon. This provides a coverage similar to AEW systems and is very cheap cuz lets face it, how much would a helium balloon and light radar systme cost? The paf could study this and take the steps needed to implement it. Thse syetms are so cheap that the PAF could deploy 20 of these and evn the US is studying them. The helium leakage is very slow letting the balloons stay aloft for 12 hourse maning that 20 could give coverrage to 10 sites 24/7 with good radius coverage and n conjucton with some awacs even more coverage could be provided. the radars also have a lot of coverage and possibly even more than the Awacs these days because they are minituarized except in some cases.
No sex appeal but these things work and were talking about defending the nation here.
Im glad ashoaib is considering the Su-27s just like me. These babies along with some the JF-17 and some more variety of med tech aircraft from the chinese arsenal would let the PAF build up to a maximum of 600 aircraft, all of them something like an upgraded F-16A.
Or we could just forget about aircraft and go for chinese sams. They have their own versions of Hawks (Ks-1) and crotales ( HQ-7) plus SA-15s and FT-2000s. What could be better?
BTW for all you ppl out there hunting for AEW systems out there, read about the Aerosat system. This sytem generally uses a light radar sytem being kept aloft using a helium balloon. This provides a coverage similar to AEW systems and is very cheap cuz lets face it, how much would a helium balloon and light radar systme cost? The paf could study this and take the steps needed to implement it. Thse syetms are so cheap that the PAF could deploy 20 of these and evn the US is studying them. The helium leakage is very slow letting the balloons stay aloft for 12 hourse maning that 20 could give coverrage to 10 sites 24/7 with good radius coverage and n conjucton with some awacs even more coverage could be provided. the radars also have a lot of coverage and possibly even more than the Awacs these days because they are minituarized except in some cases.
No sex appeal but these things work and were talking about defending the nation here.
Re: PAF to induct 60 Gripen jets + awacs into fleet
i think su 27 might be a good idea, if PAF can get Ukraine to redesign the AC and then make it lighter by introducing Composites and PAF can use there JF-17 avionics or the Mirage rose 3 avionics on the Su27. but the Cost would be huge to introduce such AC. PAF will still be going for a western AC , simply because it needs Fighters that are 4/5 gen.
i think su 27 might be a good idea, if PAF can get Ukraine to redesign the AC and then make it lighter by introducing Composites and PAF can use there JF-17 avionics or the Mirage rose 3 avionics on the Su27. but the Cost would be huge to introduce such AC. PAF will still be going for a western AC , simply because it needs Fighters that are 4/5 gen.
