NZDF General discussion thread

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
I think you missed the point, it was said that if the situation was desperate, this could happen, or if the situation was urgent, Buying new, the equipment is years away and if you need it now re-activation is always an option.
True enough but there is also the issue of where do you store them so they don't rot away making activation very difficult. Buying new kit in a timely manner is the real solution, another C-F failure that is common to both NZ and Canada.
 

Todjaeger

Potstirrer
I think you missed the point, it was said that if the situation was desperate, this could happen, or if the situation was urgent, Buying new, the equipment is years away and if you need it now re-activation is always an option.
TBH I think that the hypothetical scenario raised is more, it might be able to happen, and reactivation might be an option.

Much would depend on what the actual conditions are for both the aircraft, and the avionics. If there is too much fatigue in the airframes, too few parts available to support the mechanical components, or the avionics are too far shot and/or removed, then retired P-3's would not be reactivated.

One needs to remember that the Kiwi P-3's were originally P-3B's delivered in the mid-to-late 60's (IIRC one of the Kiwi P-3B's was gotten second hand being an ex-RAAF P-3B).

One of the Kiwi P-3 upgrade programmes run during the early-mid 00's updated some of the avionics and re-winged the aircraft. However, IIRC when they were re-winged the new wings were not wired with the then current MIL-STD databus, which sharply limited the options available to make effective use of ordnance from Kiwi Orions.

If the avionics are still good, and the aircraft themselves are mechanically sound and in flightworthy condition, then they might provide some usefulness for broad area maritime domain awareness.
 

jbc388

Member

kiwi in exile

Active Member
Can you see a pattern occuring??? times nearly up for the March 2025 release....next thing a press release saying delayed until the end of the year!!!

Also looks like the cuts are continuing New Zealand Defence Force proposing to cut 374 roles, union says | RNZ News

This government is bloody useless!!!
Sounds almost DOGE-y.

The troubling thing is there is no discussion publicly of what the restructured organization will look like.

At least they can reassure us they are committed to the magic 2%
 

jbc388

Member
Sounds almost DOGE-y.

The troubling thing is there is no discussion publicly of what the restructured organization will look like.

At least they can reassure us they are committed to the magic 2%
Yes There is no discussion because they most likely are only going to do the bare minimum required and I can forsee the funding only reaching 2% over the next 5 to 10 years the government is in no hurry to actually fix the issues with the NZDF!!! Otherwise the housing/staff retention/wages would be well on the way to being sorted!! but they have done bugger all!! just the same old talk rolled out yet again!!

The PM is nothing but "All talk and no action"
 

jbc388

Member
Yes There is no discussion because they most likely are only going to do the bare minimum required and I can forsee the funding only reaching 2% over the next 5 to 10 years the government is in no hurry to actually fix the issues with the NZDF!!! Otherwise the housing/staff retention/wages would be well on the way to being sorted!! but they have done bugger all!! just the same old talk rolled out yet again!!

The PM is nothing but "All talk and no action"
I heard on the radio this morning the DCP is going to be released I think next week!!! Bloody hope so as you can only "kick the can so far!!"
 

kiwi in exile

Active Member
I mean if it came from Labour it must autonmatically be wrong right...

Newsroom understands that strategy – the defence capability plan – went to Cabinet at the end of last year. And that is where it remains.
Short sighted penny pinching domestic politics concerns and fear of focus groups vs real long term stratetigic thinking and leadership.
Luxon is not a wartime or peacetime leader
 

jbc388

Member
I mean if it came from Labour it must autonmatically be wrong right...


Short sighted penny pinching domestic politics concerns and fear of focus groups vs real long term stratetigic thinking and leadership.
Luxon is not a wartime or peacetime leader
Luxon is just not a leader fullstop!! Can't make a decsion when needed!!!, defers to others all the time!!! He needs to grow some "Balls" and actually LEAD FROM THE FRONT!!!
 
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