Mirage-2000-5 for India

Panzer

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Finally, the Migs are going, It's long overdue.

MiGs on way out, India looks at 120 Mirages as stopgap measure
Sunday February 15 2004 00:00 IST

NEW DELHI: With the IAF phasing out several MiG variants and delays in the Light Combat Aircraft project, India is holding talks with France to acquire over 120 Mirage-2000-5 as an interim measure.

The Mirage-2000-5 has emerged as the frontrunner for the IAF, edging out the Swedish JAS-Grippen fighter and the MiG-29. While the IAF maintains a couple of MiG-29 squadrons and the naval version has been ordered by the Navy as part of the Admiral Gorshkov package, it is understood that the Mirage-2000-5 has been favoured by the IAF top brass.

A single-engined multi-role combat aircraft, the Mirage-2000-5 is a more advanced version and has better avionics as well as weapon carrying capacity. Confirming that the IAF is looking to acquire new aircraft, IAF spokesman Sqn Ldr Mahesh Upasni said: ``The IAF has short-listed several combat aircraft to keep up its squadron strengths.''

According to South Block sources, the Mirage-2000-5 is also being considered to improve the recently set-up Strategic Command, in-charge of the country's nuclear assets. With the LCA programme delayed due to US sanctions after Pokhran-II as well as the phasing out of the MiG-21 FL, the MiG-23 BN, the MiG-25 and the MiG-27, the IAF needs a light combat aircraft with multi-role capabilities.

Meanwhile, Pakistan has been jointly developing the J-7 with China, which is expected to serve as the Pakistan Air Force's backbone in the coming years. While the IAF is looking at inducting nearly 200 SU-30 MKIs over the next five years, it has felt the need for a smaller aircraft that would serve in a multi-role capacity.

In its 10th perspective plan, that is yet to be approved by the Government, the IAF wants to increase its present squadron strength from 39.5 to 45. The proposed acquisition of 126 Mirage-2000-5, said sources, is expected to make up at least seven squadrons for the IAF.
 

Red aRRow

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Panzer said:
Meanwhile, Pakistan has been jointly developing the J-7 with China, which is expected to serve as the Pakistan Air Force's backbone in the coming years.
The JF-17 / FC-1 ...not the J-7. :D
 

saraab

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does this mean that that india is no longer interested in buying used mirages from Qatar ??

[refernce: ACM Kaleem Sadaat's interview to JDW. October2003]

:?: :?:
 
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Aussie Digger

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I've read that India has been considering a purchase of the Mirage 2000-5 for a number of years now. It would be very interesting to see if they ever get around to doing it, Pakistan would have even greater problems with it's air defence capability.
 

gf0012-aust

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It will be interesting to see how the French now react to the issue of spare parts etc... or is Pakistan relatively self sufficient in this area?

Frances behaviour is what encouraged the Israelis to set up autonomous solutions - IIRC they initially developed their first modified mirages to use the same engines as the F4 Phantoms to get around French engine embargoes.
 

Oqaab

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saraab said:
does this mean that that india is no longer interested in buying used mirages from Qatar ??

[refernce: ACM Kaleem Sadaat's interview to JDW. October2003]

:?: :?:
Qatar will be selling the mirages to India.

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India to acquire Qatari fighters

RAHUL BEDI JDW Correspondent
New Delhi

The Indian Air Force (IAF) has approved the acquisition of 12 Mirage 2000-5 fighters from Qatar that nuclear rival Pakistan has also been trying to buy.

Official sources said an IAF team visited Qatar earlier this year to evaluate the nine single-seat Mirage 2000-5EDA fighters and three two-seat Mirage 2000-5DDAs, and declared them "suitable" for induction into Indian service.

Manufactured by France's Dassault Aviation, Qatar's Mirage 2000 fleet was delivered from 1997.

The officials' visit followed that of Indian Deputy Prime Minister L K Advani to Qatar in January, during which he reportedly told the Qatari authorities that India would be forced to "reconsider" a major gas contract with the country if it chose to sell its fighters to Pakistan.

Diplomatic sources in New Delhi said Qatar has come under US pressure to "dispose of" its Mirage 2000-5s, since the US military has recently established a major airbase in the Gulf state and is considered averse to the presence of French technicians in the country to service the multirole fighters.

Dassault is also negotiating the possible supply to the IAF of up to 126 Mirage 2000-5s to equip seven squadrons to strengthen the country's strategic nuclear command. These discussions are also believed to have included the Qatar administration.

IAF sources reveal that the French company had offered to buy back the 12 Mirage 2000-5EDA/DDAs from Qatar before upgrading them and selling them to India as part of its future fighter package.

The IAF is also scheduled to take delivery from Dassault of a further 10 new-build Mirage 2000s - including six two-seat trainers - before the end of the year, with these to serve as attrition replacements.

India acquired 50 Mirage 2000H/TH fighter trainers in the mid-1980s to equip two of its air-defence squadrons, but has lost at least seven through accidents.

All 10 of India's new aircraft will be equipped with inflight-refuelling equipment, and a similar capability will be activated in the IAF's existing Mirage 2000H fleet, according to Air Force Chief of Staff ACM S Krishnaswamy
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No source. Its from JDW.
 

gf0012-aust

Grumpy Old Man
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Oqaab said:
saraab said:
does this mean that that india is no longer interested in buying used mirages from Qatar ??

[refernce: ACM Kaleem Sadaat's interview to JDW. October2003]

:?: :?:
Qatar will be selling the mirages to India.

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India to acquire Qatari fighters

RAHUL BEDI JDW Correspondent
New Delhi

The Indian Air Force (IAF) has approved the acquisition of 12 Mirage 2000-5 fighters from Qatar that nuclear rival Pakistan has also been trying to buy.

Official sources said an IAF team visited Qatar earlier this year to evaluate the nine single-seat Mirage 2000-5EDA fighters and three two-seat Mirage 2000-5DDAs, and declared them "suitable" for induction into Indian service.

Manufactured by France's Dassault Aviation, Qatar's Mirage 2000 fleet was delivered from 1997.

The officials' visit followed that of Indian Deputy Prime Minister L K Advani to Qatar in January, during which he reportedly told the Qatari authorities that India would be forced to "reconsider" a major gas contract with the country if it chose to sell its fighters to Pakistan.

Diplomatic sources in New Delhi said Qatar has come under US pressure to "dispose of" its Mirage 2000-5s, since the US military has recently established a major airbase in the Gulf state and is considered averse to the presence of French technicians in the country to service the multirole fighters.

Dassault is also negotiating the possible supply to the IAF of up to 126 Mirage 2000-5s to equip seven squadrons to strengthen the country's strategic nuclear command. These discussions are also believed to have included the Qatar administration.

IAF sources reveal that the French company had offered to buy back the 12 Mirage 2000-5EDA/DDAs from Qatar before upgrading them and selling them to India as part of its future fighter package.

The IAF is also scheduled to take delivery from Dassault of a further 10 new-build Mirage 2000s - including six two-seat trainers - before the end of the year, with these to serve as attrition replacements.

India acquired 50 Mirage 2000H/TH fighter trainers in the mid-1980s to equip two of its air-defence squadrons, but has lost at least seven through accidents.

All 10 of India's new aircraft will be equipped with inflight-refuelling equipment, and a similar capability will be activated in the IAF's existing Mirage 2000H fleet, according to Air Force Chief of Staff ACM S Krishnaswamy
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No source. Its from JDW.
This adds a whole new complexity to the french juggling team.... ;)
(selling to India, Pakistan, China and Russia).
 

Roger Smith

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Well, it seems Indian Air Force will be one of the most powerful airforces in the region and would spend over $5 billion for 126 Mirage-2000-5 aircrafts.
 

mukul

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Well guys you all people are wong ,

India is going to buy 150 mirages for its Strategic nuclear force .

The sqardens will be armed wiht nukes and other will be put as dummy.

Mirages are only for startegic nuclear air force, that india will develop.
 

Panzer

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According to South Block sources, the Mirage-2000-5 is also being considered to improve the recently set-up Strategic Command, in-charge of the country's nuclear assets.
 

gf0012-aust

Grumpy Old Man
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mukul said:
Well guys you all people are wong ,

India is going to buy 150 mirages for its Strategic nuclear force .

The sqardens will be armed wiht nukes and other will be put as dummy.

Mirages are only for startegic nuclear air force, that india will develop.
Who and what is wrong? If you look at the history of the aviation threads you will see that there has been a persistent view that India will acquire replacements for the migs.

There are substantial technical responses in here which have detailed why the Migs were going. (eg Kapton issues)

There have been persistent indicators that the Mirages are part of a nuclear strike strategic force as they are replacing nuke trucks such as the Mig 23 and Mig 27 - The Mig 21's and Mig 25's cannot carry nukes. So it was pretty apparent what aircraft were going to be chopped off the ORBAT.

It might pay to clarify what you are trying to say to the other posters.
 

Soldier

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Roger Smith said:
Well, it seems Indian Air Force will be one of the most powerful airforces in the region and would spend over $5 billion for 126 Mirage-2000-5 aircrafts.
Roger, Whether you are a Canadian or Indian living in Canada, you should not be trying to inflame patriotism by saying IAF to be most powerful in the region. Our Pakistani, Aussie mates already know the truth so please try to refrain from bringing in the proud of being most powerful. How the schematics would be working is known by all the sides. So please try not to be childish.
 

Soldier

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The Watcher said:
India is acquiring mirages to replace its mig21 fleet. And yes i don't think they would last long enough against f-16.
And Watcher, Can you tell me the reason for India to field Mirage against F-16 in airwar, when India knows SU-30 MKI is a far more fledged ammuniation in his pocket?
 

The Watcher

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And Watcher, Can you tell me the reason for India to field Mirage against F-16 in airwar, when India knows SU-30 MKI is a far more fledged ammuniation in his pocket?
I was only answering his question not saying that india will field mirages against f-16. I don't why you indians get so defensive over nothing. :roll
 

Roger Smith

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Revival_786 said:
How good are Mirage-2000-5's? They couldn't stand up to a F-16A/B
:-/
PAF inducted F-16 in 1983 (28 F-16A & 12 F-16B), currently PAF inventory of F-16 is approx. 28 F-16A/B. PAF F-16A/B are 20 years old and Mirage2000-5 would be the latest technology.

In comparison of PAF F-16A/B to IAF Mirage2000-5 would be like lemon and organe, in fighting capacity 4 PAF F-16A/B equal to 1 IAF Mirage2000-5 and the same ratio would be for Su-30MKI.
 
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