Why would Saudi want LCS without US modular support? I don't see the need for this req when they need a better all-round FFG.
If the Foxbats haven't recieved the Russian brownfileld pack I doubt they are airworthy.
Libyan military modernization
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If the Foxbats haven't recieved the Russian brownfileld pack I doubt they are airworthy.
contedicavour
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May be I wasn't clear. What I meant regarding the LCS for Saudi is that Saudi can just go along with the standard USN Lockheed Martin version, without bothering to request enhanced AAW via for instance a dedicated ESSM module. Here's why :
Most discussions focused on LCS or FREMM. If Saudi takes some of both, AAW could be left with the FREMM.
Very interesting your comment on the Foxbats... though what does the Russian brownfield pack consist of ? electronics/radar update ?
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Found some cool footage of a F-14 dog-fight with Libyan MIGs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJMSbkdW26M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJMSbkdW26M
Nice footage indeed. No topgun crap. This is from a documentary, i supose.
But is it really actual event footage? the audio track sure feels real, and perhaps some weapon (?) camera shots, but the rest just seems shelf footage of some kind of f-14 flight.
BTW in this 1984 (?) event wasn´t there a first shot from the lybian side?
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.pt
But is it really actual event footage? the audio track sure feels real, and perhaps some weapon (?) camera shots, but the rest just seems shelf footage of some kind of f-14 flight.
BTW in this 1984 (?) event wasn´t there a first shot from the lybian side?
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.pt
Maybe they don't workout... it takes alot of leg strength to get accustomed to it. I lead a squat program designed to aid in high G maneuvers.
Big E,
Just workout could be the reason for this???
Excuse my ignorance, i´m no pilot, but besides wearing those special suits, one must be also in top physical shape to withstand high G maneuvres?
Also, i thought tolerance meant that pilots get used to these forces by way of flight maneuvres practice, is this correct?
.pt
Just workout could be the reason for this???
Excuse my ignorance, i´m no pilot, but besides wearing those special suits, one must be also in top physical shape to withstand high G maneuvres?
Also, i thought tolerance meant that pilots get used to these forces by way of flight maneuvres practice, is this correct?
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Strength training is important for growing accustomed to high Gs. When Gs are pressing down on the body it is very similar to having a heavy barbell on your back. Back squats are the exercise of choice when trying to train for the effects of this particular environment. Deadlifts help but don't have the direct impact you get having 300kgs on your shoulders. Navy and Marine pilots are good squaters, many of us compete in powerlifting.
.pt
Combat flying is extreemly physically demanding. G-pressure suits are an aid; but no more. G-forces are a severe strain on the circulatory system f.i. when the heart has to pump blood to the brain and the blood weighs 9 times its normal. There is a reason why combat pilots stop flying operationally after a certain age - just like athletes stop their carreer - as you grow older it gets progressively more difficult to get in shape. A very fit 80-year old will never be in better shape than a 20 year old couch-potato.
Basically that is a great air force problem, as a succesfull fighter pilot is not necessarily a good general - thus it excludes brilliant strategists from ever becoming generals if they are physically frail. Not that being a in good shape nescessarily preempts being intelligent: It is little known; but Niels Bohr was an excellent soccer-player.
Combat flying is extreemly physically demanding. G-pressure suits are an aid; but no more. G-forces are a severe strain on the circulatory system f.i. when the heart has to pump blood to the brain and the blood weighs 9 times its normal. There is a reason why combat pilots stop flying operationally after a certain age - just like athletes stop their carreer - as you grow older it gets progressively more difficult to get in shape. A very fit 80-year old will never be in better shape than a 20 year old couch-potato.
Basically that is a great air force problem, as a succesfull fighter pilot is not necessarily a good general - thus it excludes brilliant strategists from ever becoming generals if they are physically frail. Not that being a in good shape nescessarily preempts being intelligent: It is little known; but Niels Bohr was an excellent soccer-player.
radiosilence
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That's probably related to an observation made by a former USAF flight doctor, that fighter pilots were prone to having hemmorhoids. All the valsalva maneuvers. Unglam, but Napoleon had em too.
Wooo the Shoping list is good see when it goes to finalize the deal the Supply ?? US is watching all this closelly
contedicavour
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Ouch. At least by the time the MI29SMT and SU30 arrive we'll have over 50 operational Typhoons to guard our airspace...
I can't imagine however Dassault letting a 2nd big market go away so easily, after the loss in Algeria to the MIG29s. Libya has a lot of old MIGs and Sukhois but used to have a lot of Mirage III and F1...
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Apparently Dassault isn't letting it get away.
http://www.air-attack.com/news/news...ter-over-Eurofighter---Orders-13-18-Jets.html
Haven't heard any corroborating reports on the matter except this one. Even if Libya upgrades its air-force and navy, their land forces are still in a terrible state. They haven't gotten any new equipment in at least 20 years.
Still has some Mirage F1, & is having a minor upgrade to some of them.
contedicavour
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Yep though Libya has several hundred T-72s and BMPs that can still be updated and be a credible defence force (Tunisia only has M60A3, Algeria has T-72, Egypt has M1A2 and to the south of Libya there are no MBTs).
Besides, Libya still operates a significant Hind attack helo force.
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suddendeath
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Hey yes libya has agreed to the sale of 14 rafales by france as well as equipment and also upgrading its mirages
mic of orion
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I thinkm, army and navy are priorities right now, I think, he'll think about Air force for a year or two and than decide. Rafale seems to me best choice, but he might opt out for Mig 29 or Su 30, but with western avionics.
Rafael is still best deal in a long run, since Libyan AF already flies Mirage F1...
I think he'll be wise old politician and think about his options.
F-15 Eagle
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I think Libya should get the new SU-30, Mig-29, SU-25 and TU-22M aircraft to replace the TU-22, Mig-23 and Mig-25 that were retired or grounded few years ago, in my opinion, and upgrade their F-1, SU-24 aircraft.
And just how much money do you think Libya has?
BTW, Tu-22M hasn't been built since 1993, so new Tu-22M are rather scarce. Su-25 has also been out of production for many years. It was built in Tbilisi, in Georgia, & production ceased (apart from the Georgians completing some already on the production line, IIRC, & the Russians building a few prototypes of an upgraded version, perhaps using spares stocks) with the fall of the USSR. Also, don't you think that's an awful lot of different types? Perhaps a touch impractical.