You have to put "stealth" in context. A ship within visual range of a missile battery has no stealth, except in relation to the relative effectiveness of its ECM....Maybefylr71 said:Regarding the incident with the Saar 5, wasn't it a radar guided missile that was fired? If so I'm surprised that the missile was able to aquire the target given the Saar 5 stealth capabilities. Maybe a lucky shot
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Looks like the experts are saying it was a C 802, Chinese missile....modified by the Iranians......
Article:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3276451,00.html
Here is a picture....
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/images/c802-001.jpg
More stuff....
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/c-802.htm
Another article on the subject:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3276221,00.html#n
Here is a article written in Israeli.....It may have the pictures of the
servicemen that where killed (I think), and the ship.
(If anyone can translate and confirm this...it would be appreciated.. )
http://www1.idf.il/DOVER/site/mainpage.asp?sl=HE&id=7&docid=54466.HE
Article:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3276451,00.html
Here is a picture....
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/images/c802-001.jpg
More stuff....
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/c-802.htm
Another article on the subject:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3276221,00.html#n
Here is a article written in Israeli.....It may have the pictures of the
servicemen that where killed (I think), and the ship.
(If anyone can translate and confirm this...it would be appreciated..
)http://www1.idf.il/DOVER/site/mainpage.asp?sl=HE&id=7&docid=54466.HE
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Not necessarily radar guided this time, as the ship was visible from the shore. May be the missile was just pointed in the right direction and shot without illuminating the target. If this were true, it would be another reason for the slow Israeli reaction, as ECM wouldn't have worked against a missile which is not illuminating the target.fylr71 said:Regarding the incident with the Saar 5, wasn't it a radar guided missile that was fired? If so I'm surprised that the missile was able to aquire the target given the Saar 5 stealth capabilities. Maybe a lucky shot
This is not the Hanit. It is a SAAR 4.5:
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/naval/saar45/Saar45.html
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Yeah it is just a missile boat....I changed it already....
Thanks...
This is a SAAR 5 (And what the Hanit is reported to be.)
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/naval/saar5/saar5_3b.jpg
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Even if Saar 4.5 has quite an armament : Barak, Gabriel and Harpoon, 76mm and Phalanx... basically close to the Saar 5's armament though without helicopters and with less Baraks.alpha2 said:Yeah it is just a missile boat....I changed it already....
Thanks...
This is a SAAR 5
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/naval/saar5/saar5_3b.jpg
cheers
Judging from the abrupt heading change of the second missile launched here:contedicavour said:
http://players.mediazone.co.il/media/authors/34/playlists/2082/players/3/
...something was guiding it.
I suspect they were in fact radar guided in terminal phase, but that missile was headed to somewhere with a purpose so someone had fed coordinates into it. Also, I suspect the Hanit was visually acquired as she was evidently just off the coast at least in the afternoon. Just point your implement of destruction in the right direction and at minimum range there would have been precious little time for any effective reaction even given a full up auto ECM/chaff and CIWS. That poor boat got screwed pure and simple:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060715/ids_photos_wl/r2907883091.jpg
More problematic is how was the freighter acquired if she were 30km off the coast?...assuming the various reports are correct.
Certainly explains why the Israelis conducted a quick anti radar campaign the next day...
http://www.gadsdentimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060716/ZNYT/607160355
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Webmaster, other news reports indicate that its Hezbollah's missile which hit the ship...we will never know for sure. However Egypt being a freindly nation to Israel, it does not make much sense for them to attack a Egyptian ship. In any case its Israels word against Hezbollah, we may never know the truth.
I heard on CNN that Israel attacked a syrian border post with Lebanon. May be this is what the other news report indicated?
My point is guided anti-ship missiles in the hands of Hezbollah is very dangerous and is may get out of hand very quickly. These groups can never be fully controlled. Its unfortunate that Lebanon is suffering.
The Hanit was just off the Corniche...This is her (almost certainly) that afternoon...tphuang said:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060715/ids_photos_wl/r2907883091.jpg
The Cambodian freighter was further out to sea...and it was night. It took more than eyeballs to acquire that ship, and its obvious "they" didn't know exactly what "they" were shooting at.
Looks like a launch on radar to me...
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yeah, I misread this other article. It actually reported:sidishus said:
"The missile, is a C-802 radar-guided anti-shipping missile manufactured in Iran using Chinese technology. Its range is estimated to be about 110 km.
Apparently two such missiles were fired on Friday night, one of them hitting INS Spear and the other a Cambodian-flagged freighter, 60 km off shore. A dozen Egyptian sailors from the freighter were picked up by another commercial vessel after their ship sunk following the missile strike."
well, the missile itself was not launched on the edge of the beach. The missile could've been fired from 50 KM inland. I'm not sure how the launchers gave the coordinates to the missile in the first place. As for the Cambodia freighter. Again, we've been believing in what the Israelis said all along. For all we know, the Egyptians could be telling the truth and the freighter was destroyed by the Israelis.
A video is worth a thousand speculations...It was launched from somewhere along the Corniche....
Here are some daytime views
http://www.libanvision.com/pub/bei_map.jpg
http://www.eqarat.com/j2ee/examples/english/newsletter/images/Beirut2.jpg
Now, check out the launch
http://players.mediazone.co.il/media/authors/34/playlists/2082/players/3/
I strongly suspect from right near this marina:
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6972/168719505jrayfcph6kd.jpg
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BBC is showing a distance picture of the vessel attacked. Its taken at night so you can't really see anything, but there is a helo on deck.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5184974.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5184974.stm
I seriously doubt the Israeli warship was hit by a C-802. With a semi-armour-piercing warhead over 150kg, it would litterally rip such a small corvette in half instead of inflicting such minor damage. Another possibility is that the warhead did not detonate, which would explain whole thing.
Anybody got a picture of the damaged ship? We're basically speculating the whole thing without any real evidence at this point.Waylander said:
My question to the attack on the Israeli Corvette as been suggested on CNN is how did a UAV or unmanned vehicle packed with explosives managed to get past a Israeli warship.? I thought the Israelis were more on the ball than this, and would have stopped it with its sophistigated range of weapons. Cheers.