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Indonesia To Receive First Fincantieri PPA In September – Asian Defence Journal

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Asia Defence Journal talk with Fincantieri officials during IndoDefence. Basically it sum up:

1. TNI-AL first PPA KRI Brawidjaja will leave Italy by end of next month. Predict to be inducted into TNI-AL fleet by early September. While the second one KRI Siliwangi schedulle to hand over by end of this year.
2. Indonesia intention for Garibaldi light carrier has potential close to fruition. As expected Indonesia will use Garibaldi as drone carrier.

It is expexted as Drone carrier, Garibaldi will be equiped by Bayraktar TB3. In booth of Republikorp, mock up of TB3 being shown as part of licensing agreement betwen Baykar and Republikorp for assembly agreement.

 

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PT PAL Tampilkan Desain Multi Role Support Ship (MRSS) - LPD dengan Panjang 163 Meter dan Bobot 14.000 Ton

Bersamaan dengan proyek pembangunan Landing Platform Dock (LPD) pesanan Uni Emirat Arab (UEA) Al Maryah class, PT PAL Indonesia dalam Indo Defence 2024 juga ikut mempromosikan platform LPD tersebut untuk pasar ekspor, khususnya untuk kawasan Asia Tenggara. Baca juga: Mulai Dibangun 2024, Uni...

www.indomiliter.com

This local online military site talk about design for UAE Al Maryah, which's now PAL Officially market it as MRSS. PAL and Lunas also team up to put this design for Malaysia relaunch MRSS bid. Lunas from my understanding will conduct final assembly, with some modules from PAL.

Malaysia's Navy Finalizing Multi-Role Support Ship Requirements - Naval News

A Royal Malaysian Navy representative said the service was still finalizing its detailed requirements for its future Multi-Role Support Ship - MRSS

www.navalnews.com

The design now 14,000 tons and it is seems more then Makasar LPD with steroids.

 

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Xavier Video on FMP (Red White Frigate) with PAL chief designer. Basically PAL with Babcock assistance adjust around 60% of the design due to changes at:

1. Radars and integrated mast as they are now using mostly Aselsan and some Leonardo sensors (change from Thales on original Arrowhead 140),
2. Dimensions as FMP around 2 meters longer then basic design (make it 140m),
3. Propulsion as TNI AL want bit faster speed. I also recheck from other source that basic speed increase by 2 knots,
4. The possition B now have second Leonardo 76mm, thus heavier then possition B on basic Arrowhead 140,
5. Last one is the number of VLS being increase to 64 and also ommiting angle launch SSM to become all Vertical Launch. Midlas VLS from what I gather is in similar size against Sylver and Mk 41.

This increase the full weight to 6600 tons. This from other source that I gather make FMP AAW specialist Frigate, altough it is still maintain ASW and ASuW capabilities. Aselsan radar all fixed array at integrated mast. Making them heavier then integrated mast on basic Arrowhead 140.

The design already final, and this is clear reason why Frenchie Salesman always bitter in his channels and article about this Frigate. Basically all his sales products (MBDA and Thales) being replace by Roketsan, Havelsan and Aselsan. While Leonardo still maintain piece of pies in this FMP contract.

The downturn it is adding more than a year design adjustment to the previous schedulle. With this FMP become AAW Frigate, I don't know if they still need to add Type 52 from China as plan for AAW Destroyer or getting another batch of 2 for this FMP design.

 

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Xavier Video on FMP (Red White Frigate) with PAL chief designer. Basically PAL with Babcock assistance adjust around 60% of the design due to changes at:

1. Radars and integrated mast as they are now using mostly Aselsan and some Leonardo sensors (change from Thales on original Arrowhead 140),
2. Dimensions as FMP around 2 meters longer then basic design (make it 140m),
3. Propulsion as TNI AL want bit faster speed. I also recheck from other source that basic speed increase by 2 knots,
4. The possition B now have second Leonardo 76mm, thus heavier then possition B on basic Arrowhead 140,
5. Last one is the number of VLS being increase to 64 and also ommiting angle launch SSM to become all Vertical Launch. Midlas VLS from what I gather is in similar size against Sylver and Mk 41.

This increase the full weight to 6600 tons. This from other source that I gather make FMP AAW specialist Frigate, altough it is still maintain ASW and ASuW capabilities. Aselsan radar all fixed array at integrated mast. Making them heavier then integrated mast on basic Arrowhead 140.

The design already final, and this is clear reason why Frenchie Salesman always bitter in his channels and article about this Frigate. Basically all his sales products (MBDA and Thales) being replace by Roketsan, Havelsan and Aselsan. While Leonardo still maintain piece of pies in this FMP contract.

The downturn it is adding more than a year design adjustment to the previous schedulle. With this FMP become AAW Frigate, I don't know if they still need to add Type 52 from China as plan for AAW Destroyer or getting another batch of 2 for this FMP design.

So this modified and enlarged design is actual closer to the original Iver Huitveldt design, than the Arrowhead 140/Type 31.

The Iver had also double OTO Melara 76 mm guns at A and B position, had more launch cells (32-cell Mk41 + 12-cell Mk56), was also 6600 ton fully loaded and had a topspeed of 28 kts.

 

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this modified and enlarged design is actual closer to the original Iver Huitveldt design, than the Arrowhead 140/Type 31.

Just like Danes configure Iver more as AAW Frigate, seems this is also what TNI-AL plan to do with FMP. Question will be if the SAM missile that going to be equiped will be more for Short to Medium or long range. From what I gather potentially more to Short-Medium range first.

Just like TNI-AU that has NASAMS with AIM 120, TNI-AD Trisula system in begining will also equiped more with Hisar O/RF that has similar range between 25-40 Km. TNI-AL FMP Midlas also reported potentially will be equiped with similar HisarO/RF. While their PPA potentialy also will be equiped with similar range Aster 15. All three then operating 25-40 km range SAM.

There're talk for Hisar U/Siper and Aster 30, but seems it will be for next round budget allocation. Roketsan already shown their Midlas can accomodate both Hisar O and Siper, just like Sylver for Aster 15 and 30. Will see what type of Midlas and Sylver that being procure, as rumours say the Light + PPA equiped with Sylver 43 and not 50. Means only can be equiped by Aster 15.

Video on KRI Brawijaya trial in Italy with TNI-AL crew. Just got a feeling if TNI-AL PPA equiped with Aster 15, then potentialy FMP will also be equiped with similar class Hisar O/RF. Still it is already improvement then VL Mica and Mistral.

From what I heard TNI still want to evaluate Siper as it is relatively new, while Hisar O/RF already operational for some time TCG Istanbul (F 515) Fires HİSAR-D RF Missile from MİDLAS | TURDEF. Personally I see it more to budget issue. Having 25-40 km SAM is in the end more economics then 80-100+km SAM. Also more importantly TNI can done gradual learning from Shorad to Short Range then Medium Range before operating long range theater defence SAM.

 

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have to check again, but seems as this moment, there are two SRV project,one with SMP using SRV-F Mk3 and now with FET using LR600. Perhaps this explain why there are two mother ship program. One using mother ship build by Citra Shipyard, and other using BHO.

It is confirm that there are two SRV project. FET one with LR600 and BHO mother ship, and the other is SMP with SRV-F mk3. BTI Indo Tekno as SMP local partner that should prepare mother ship sign MoU with Ben Santosa Shipyard in Surabaya area, during last IndoDefence https://x.com/indomiliter/status/1934503875899466010.



The design is still the same, however they change shipyard partner from Citra to Ben Santosa. I suspect due to price disagreement with previous Shipyard. I don't know why SMP or TNI AL choose this BTI Indo Tekno as local partner in system integration. With their changing Shipyard Partner after two years in project, just not seems prepared enough.

So personally I suspect FET with BHO mother ship will be more ready as first SRV operational with TNI-AL. On Paper SMP SRV are supposedly have bigger capacity for 50 crew, against FAT capacity of 20 crew.

 

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Forum Energy Technologies to Supply LR600 Submarine Rescue System for Indonesian Navy - Naval News

At the Indo Defence 2025, FET announced that it has secured a contract to supply LR600 Submarine Rescue Vehicle for the Indonesian Navy.

www.navalnews.com

Effective contract for SRV, launch and recovery system plus decompression chamber. Whole system will be pair with BHO vessel that now being finish by Abekin-Rasmussen in Germany.

I have to check again, but seems as this moment, there are two SRV project,one with SMP using SRV-F Mk3 and now with FET using LR600. Perhaps this explain why there are two mother ship program. One using mother ship build by Citra Shipyard, and other using BHO.

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Thanks God they have learned from the past. It was really emberrassing that the navy with the most submarine-experience of South-East Asia, couldn't do anything when KRI Nanggala 402 was unfindable. Ordering two motherships for Submarine Rescue Vehicles is not a waste of money, even if one Submarine Rescue Ship is under maintenance, there will be always at least one standby in case of emergencies.

Just like Danes configure Iver more as AAW Frigate, seems this is also what TNI-AL plan to do with FMP. Question will be if the SAM missile that going to be equiped will be more for Short to Medium or long range. From what I gather potentially more to Short-Medium range first.

Just like TNI-AU that has NASAMS with AIM 120, TNI-AD Trisula system in begining will also equiped more with Hisar O/RF that has similar range between 25-40 Km. TNI-AL FMP Midlas also reported potentially will be equiped with similar HisarO/RF. While their PPA potentialy also will be equiped with similar range Aster 15. All three then operating 25-40 km range SAM.

There're talk for Hisar U/Siper and Aster 30, but seems it will be for next round budget allocation. Roketsan already shown their Midlas can accomodate both Hisar O and Siper, just like Sylver for Aster 15 and 30. Will see what type of Midlas and Sylver that being procure, as rumours say the Light + PPA equiped with Sylver 43 and not 50. Means only can be equiped by Aster 15.

Video on KRI Brawijaya trial in Italy with TNI-AL crew. Just got a feeling if TNI-AL PPA equiped with Aster 15, then potentialy FMP will also be equiped with similar class Hisar O/RF. Still it is already improvement then VL Mica and Mistral.

From what I heard TNI still want to evaluate Siper as it is relatively new, while Hisar O/RF already operational for some time TCG Istanbul (F 515) Fires HİSAR-D RF Missile from MİDLAS | TURDEF. Personally I see it more to budget issue. Having 25-40 km SAM is in the end more economics then 80-100+km SAM. Also more importantly TNI can done gradual learning from Shorad to Short Range then Medium Range before operating long range theater defence SAM.

Thanks for sharing the video.
1. So these two PPA vessels will have the largest helicopterdeck on an Indonesian frigate ever, and the first double hangar.
2. With these two PPA vessels, TNI-AL also get the largest naval gun since RI Irian 201, being larger than the Bofors 120 mm from the Fatahillah Class.
3. I still do not understand why they started with 320 for Brawijaya, and not with 321. This is also the first time they start with a 0 for a new class.

 

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https://ir.f-e-t.com/news-releases/news-release-details/forum-energy-technologies-supply-state-art-submarine-rescue

SRV-F Mk 3 Submarine Rescue Vehicle

Introducing the new submarine rescue vehicle, from the team that created LR5 and the DSAR range of rescue vehicles. The SRV-F Mk3 is a free swimming manned submersible capable of untethered rescue operations to depths over 500m.

www.smp-ltd.com

On specification SMP SRV-F Mk 3 has more than twice rescue capacity then LET LR600 (50 vs 20). However on paper LR600 can reach around 100m deeper then SRV-F Mk 3 (600m vs 500m). I suspect considering Indonesia water depth, they are preparing on possible scenario.

One thing that I suspect, with two SRV, they aim to get ability on getting all crew at one journey. Also with two mother ship perhaps station on different Naval Base, they can achieve at least one of them to get into distress Sub faster. From rumours that I gather, one will be station in Jakarta and other one in Surabaya. This I suspect is also related to the situation where Hospitals with hyperbaric chambers are mostly situated on both cities. Thus the submariners can be transfer from Field Hyperbaric modules at each mother ship toward Hyperbaric and pressure facilities in hospitals.

 

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Turkish defense contractor Roketsan signs 2 ATMACA missile deals with Indonesia - Turkish Minute

#Turkish defense contractor Roketsan has signed two agreements with Indonesia’s PT Republik Defence Indonesia (RDI) for the supply and joint production of the ATMACA anti-ship missile.

www.turkishminute.com

This more explanation on Atmaca SSM deal from Turkish media. The deal that sign in IndoDefence are

1. Between Roketsan and Turkish Shipyard that currently building KCR-70 for Atmaca SSM.
2. Between Roketsan and Republikorp on building JV on assembly line for Atmaca.

The #2 potentialy can be enlarge to other Roketsan missiles later on. It is rumours this JV later on can also assembly Hisar RF for usage at FMP Midlas and Trisula land base SAM system.

Either way this shown how Prabowo already impatience with local missile development, including reverse engineering C705. From what I heard that JV facility and willingness by Roketsan to outsource some missiles components manufacturing that got them deal, instead MBDA. Something that make Frenchie and Euro salesman continue livid when heard the name Turkey.

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Roketsan video on their booth at IndoDefence

 

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Will see what type of Midlas and Sylver that being procure, as rumours say the Light + PPA equiped with Sylver 43 and not 50. Means only can be equiped by Aster 15.

Indonesian Navy Plans Full Combat Configuration for Incoming PPA Vessels - Naval News

Indonesia’s first Multipurpose Combat Ships/Pattugliatore Polivalente d’Altura (PPA) from Italy is set to arrive in September.

www.navalnews.com

Naval News claim TNI-AL want to have Aster 30 and Full config. Full config already heard on the set up offer by Fincantieri being work out at their Partner Shipyard in Batam. However Aster 30 again depends whether Sylver A43 or Sylver A50 or even A70 that's being procured.

There's this rumour that Light+ configuration come with 16 Sylver A43, thus when upgrade into Full configuration with 32 Sylver it will be combo 16 A43 + 16 A50. If that happen then it is Combo Aster 15 and Aster 30. In the end it will depend on budget.

As Fincatieri offer U212NFS, again back to whether the program for Interim Sub or replacement for U209 1400 batch 2. Also whether MinDef still want to go with F-15EX.

There're rumours again that Fincantieri offering similar deal as with PPA, thus 2 U212NFS that being build for Italian Navy. Other rumour talk Fincantieri offer 2 existing U212A but being refurbish to close to U212NS standard. This is why many lobbyist want to scuttle F-15EX, as the budget can be allocate to other program.

 

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This is the 3 project with Roketsan that's going to have JV production with Republikorp. The first one is Atmaca that already proceed to JV, and Republikorp people in IndoDefence claim the other two will be soon.

Cakir will be part of TB3, while Teber aim for F-16 C/D that going to have Ozgur upgrade.

 

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Progress

 

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Progress

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Sorry, this is the progress of what?
Iver Huitfeldt/FMP, LPD 124 m for the Philippines or LPD 163 m for UAE?


("DOCK SEMARANG" is just readable)

 

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Iver Huitfeldt/FMP. Dock Semarang can assemble multiple hulls at the same time, the FMP is the one furthest outside. The LPDs are being assembled further inside, if I am not mistaken.

 

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PAL two main dock Semarang (50K ton capacity) and dock Irian (20K capacity) in Paper can handle 2 FMP, 2 Philipines LPD, and 1 UAE MRSS. Problem is Irian being use also for refurbishing work, including refurbishing Philippines LPD BRP Tarlac.

So if they only relies dock Semarang it will be very tight schedule this year and next to finish the launching of 2 Frigate and 3 LPD. I suspect either FMP #2 or one of LPD need to be build in Dock Irian, or they will have though schedule to catch up the contract.



The two OPV 90 at Noahtu continue on their weapon and system integration. There are some talk before the gun will use Aselsan 76mm, but seems it is still Leonardo 76mm.

 

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Dock Irian seems to be reserved for refit and refurbishment, while Semarang for new builds. It is not just PH but TNI-AL's own refurbishment / refit needs, along with their commercial projects.

I suspect it is also a question of manpower, rather than just space. The reality is they need to finish up the assembly of the hull modules and launch them to free up the space, while fitting out takes place dock side.

 

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PAL usually doing weapon and system integration job at piers. Each shipyard doing it differently, as Noahtu like example in OPV 90, finishing hull and platform at open field, then move to dry dock for system integration.

From what I heard, PAL schedulle to launch hull and platform of all Frigates and LPD's by next year. I just suspect at this rate, they have to use both docks for finishing and launch them on schedulle. Yes there are concern on manpower. In which PAL already recruiting since 2 years ago. Still I have my doubt if all 5 can be build by only using Dock Semarang on schedulle.

Heard more Refurbishment work for 41 TNI-AL ship being move more to private yards. PAL supposedly has to handle refurbishment for large corvettes (Fatahillah and Bung Tomo class). Perhaps it is sign PAL capacities begin overwhellmed.

Well I could be wrong, but I'm more bias to see Private Yards have better productivities then SOE Yards. My experiences when financing Imdonesian shipyards years ago, create my bias.

 

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https://x.com/navalnewscom/status/1936322334857871582

At the Indodefence exhibition, Indonesian company REPUBLIKORP showcased an aircraft carrier model labeled “Giuseppe Garibaldi”. It featured Bayraktar TB3 drones and fighter jets on its deck
@TayfunOzberk talked to @Fincantieri and @BaykarTech

 

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Hi @Meriv90 I suggest better add some of your points on the post as the forum rule. As that article, I saw it since saturday but choose not to post it as:

1. The design is bit questionable, as it is using Garibaldi dimension but combine Trieste ski jump and split bridge plus angle flight deck. I don't think realistically the dimension of Garibaldi can be sufficient for that kind of design,
2. Republikorp is a fast growing MIC in Indonesia, but this company growth related to Prabowo's political faction. The growth of Republikorp gain exponentially from Prabowo's tenure as Defense Minister. Thus their 'own' ship design that they shown in IndoDefence in my opinion more as 'political' image building rather then real potential.
3. Republikorp projects now more as JV with mature partner, especially from Turkiye and Italy. So for me I rather watch the progress of their JV, then watch their own design that are more political image building projects.

As for Garibaldi, that Naval News article put some comment that also already put by other media (like Army Recognition) which I already put the link before. Shown the negotiation on Garibaldi now already conducted by both Indonesia and Italy MinDef.

From the rumours in here, Italy ask $400+ mio while Indonesia bargain less but with refurbishing work to prepare it as Drone carriers (asside commando carrier). What Fincantieri after I suspect, is to sell LHD-Light Carrier design later on. As Garibaldi only being use as Interim Carrier for around a decade to train TNI-AL to run Light Carrier as Drone, Command and Amphibious duties.

I suspect Fincantieri want to work with Republikorp on that, while PAL already shown enlarge Anadolu design. Republikorp now working hard to get larger ship projects that usually only prioritise to PAL. Guess in my suspect why they are showing those designs in IndoDefence.

 

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Interesting, I think Garabaldi would be a good fit for Indonesia. Give them a taste and a chance to develop doctrine for a helicopter / drone carrier or even an LPH. 15 to 20 years service remaining, so 5 to 10 to work out what to replace it with.