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Xavier put another video from IndoDefence. This time he interview small Indonesian Private company call Sangkuriang that specialised in Unmaned Systems.
In IndoDefence they shown their mine hunting UUV or AUV. They are claimimg the prototype being prepared by less then six months. Able to operate up to 50m depth and travel up to 15 knt underwater.
Xavier seems only make video with those he got info already land a deal or in process getting the deal from users and MinDef.
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7.5K views · 251 reactions | Kapal Korvet KRI.Bung Hatta 370 @penggemar berat | Industry Made in Indonesia
Kapal Korvet KRI.Bung Hatta 370 @penggemar berat.
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Industry Indonesia FB put video of KRI Bung Hatta seems on sea trials. I see many enthusiast don't like the notion that this will be Parchim replacement. They are hoping at least OPV 90, or some hoping even PKR Sigma.
However realistically this kind of small Corvette are more easier to build and finance on large scale. I suspect combination on both OPV 90 and This Corvette design will be the definite Parchim Replacement. I don't see on foreseable future TNI-AL will invest more on SSM like Atmaca, Exocet or similar class plus point defence short range AAM like Mistral. This kind of weapons configuration that this kind of Small Corvette being prepared on with.
Some Indonesian Enthusiats X account id Arani put this quite detail rendering of FMP. All base on disclosed information from PAL.
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Sandhi Yudha
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In the last ten years TNI-AL ships have several times met chinese coastguard vessels protecting chinese fishingboats illegally fishing in Indonesia's EEZ in North Natuna Sea. We have seen that size and armament matters.
The KRI Bung Karno 369 is for sure a failed design/concept, specially in its FFBNW state/form/configuration, a downgrade compared to the Parchim class corvettes. The KRI Bung Hatta 370 design is slightly an upgrade....if it is equipped as planned with at least anti-ship missiles and some decent CMS, sensors and ASW-equipment.
The KRI Bung Karno 369 is for sure a failed design/concept, specially in its FFBNW state/form/configuration, a downgrade compared to the Parchim class corvettes. The KRI Bung Hatta 370 design is slightly an upgrade....if it is equipped as planned with at least anti-ship missiles and some decent CMS, sensors and ASW-equipment.
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The backbone of TNI-AL patrol forces are Parchim class. Some people still blame Habibie influencing Soeharto to take over most of DDR Navy, however this prove so far as backbone of present TNI-AL.
Thus the design that replacing Parchim will be the backbone of TNI-AL patrol forces. Like the decision to take Parchim, it is also related with affordability. That's what Bung Hatta class and Haji Fisabilillah class shown, affordability.
KRI Bung Karno unlike KRI Bung Hatta is hybrid design between patrol and vip as replacement to one of FPB 57 that's being use as hybrid VIP and Patrol vessel (KRI Barracuda). So for me, I really don't mind of how KRI Bung Karno turn out, as it is a hybrid one from beginning design.
Both Bung Hatta and Haji Fisabilillah shown better capabilities on paper then Parchim. TNI-AL now seems trialing their sea keeping capabilities. They already order the third Haji Fisabilillah class, thus indicating they are quite satisfied with the design. Seems this is what they're doing know with Bung Hatta design.
From what I gather there will be 6-8 Parchim that going to get modernisation including putting 2-4 Atmaca SSM. Thus potentially they need 8-10 Parchim replacement this term. Frigates always attracting headlines, but Corvettes are the main TNI-AL capacity building.
Thus the design that replacing Parchim will be the backbone of TNI-AL patrol forces. Like the decision to take Parchim, it is also related with affordability. That's what Bung Hatta class and Haji Fisabilillah class shown, affordability.
KRI Bung Karno unlike KRI Bung Hatta is hybrid design between patrol and vip as replacement to one of FPB 57 that's being use as hybrid VIP and Patrol vessel (KRI Barracuda). So for me, I really don't mind of how KRI Bung Karno turn out, as it is a hybrid one from beginning design.
Both Bung Hatta and Haji Fisabilillah shown better capabilities on paper then Parchim. TNI-AL now seems trialing their sea keeping capabilities. They already order the third Haji Fisabilillah class, thus indicating they are quite satisfied with the design. Seems this is what they're doing know with Bung Hatta design.
From what I gather there will be 6-8 Parchim that going to get modernisation including putting 2-4 Atmaca SSM. Thus potentially they need 8-10 Parchim replacement this term. Frigates always attracting headlines, but Corvettes are the main TNI-AL capacity building.
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Mengintip Pembangunan Fregat Merah Putih, Kapal Perang ”Tercanggih” Indonesia
Proyek Fregat Merah Putih tidak hanya bertujuan melahirkan kapal perang terkuat, tetapi juga menjadi penentu bagi masa depan kemandirian industri pertahanan.
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This is Kompas report on FMP when they accompany MinDef team to PAL assessing FMP manufacturing process. It is not much different then what already talk in this thread for FMP with additional info on:
- 66% of 161 module blocs already being assembly in the Semarang Dock. I heard from other sources that all 161 modules actually already finish, just need being put together.
- The plan of launching by Q4 this year. They talk on end of October, but potentially (from rumours) PAL already prepared that it can still stretch to early December.
- They plan to hand over this 1st FMP to TNI-AL by August next year. However this is only equip with all equipment that includes on main contract.
- The ship will be back in 2027 to PAL to be equip with all equipment under FFBNW contract. As being info before, FFBNW contract only become signed and effective at last IndoDefence early this month.
PAL System and Weapon integration program confirm what before is just being speculating. FMP is being designed as AAW Frigate. It is having main function to provide AAW area defense protection for TNI-AL task force or flotilla protection. This is similar in nature as Danish Iver class frigates that also have primary function as AAW protection.
Seems FMP become realization of TNI-AL dreams in having Aerial Area defense capabilities. Something they are waiting since early 90's when they are planning to get ex Dutch Tromp class AAW Frigates.
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Ananda
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Sindo News put this slide on their Friday edition. Basically it is the products & design that by 2025 PAL claim working on.
The unmanned submarine design in this slide still refer to older design, while newer one already come out in IndoDefence. In IndoDefence they also already shown their CMS which according to them will be use by Fatahillah class Corvette and FPB 57 when they're having MLU upgrade Kapal Perang Kelas Fatahillah dan Malahayati akan Diperkuat CMS Buatan PT PAL - Indonesiadefense.com | Informasi Berita Terkini dan Terbaru Hari Ini Hankam Dan TNI %.
The other projects like Torpedo, Main Gun 40mm, FCS, Drone Jammer are something that not being talk much but having been said before in media. Not clear whose the partner yet, but it is been mentioned before.
What not being mentioned in public, media or rumours are this Laser Weapon program and this KSSI and Destroyers design. However that designs in my opinion are Hanwha Design. Hanwha already shown the design in Madex 2023 MADEX 2023: Hanwha Ocean Unveils KDDX-S Destroyer Design - Naval News and that KSSI is shown similarities with KSS-III.
Is this sign that PAL reopening their agreement with Hanwha? Is KSSI basically revise contract replacing 209-1400 Batch 2? It is rumours that PAL will play more with Turkiye partners and NG, but with shown that Destroyer and KSSI Submarine, it is indicating return of Hanwha.
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For LHD-Drone Carrier, they are now shorten the design from 244m to 238m. Still it is 6m longer then Basic Juan Carlos/Anadolu design of 232m. More realistic? The program they claim begin commencing in 2027-28 and will take 7 years to complete. This is why they (MinDef) need Garibaldi as interim drone carrier.
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Sandhi Yudha
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I wonder what the reasons are for the wish to make the FMP slightly longer than the original design. Is it for more fuel storage, a larger helicopterdeck or more space for more VLS-cells? And judt why 1,0 - 1,5 m longer?
The SUT is built by PAL for decades, under licence of Atlas Elektronik, and yes, it is building the Iver Huitfeldt/Merah-Putih frigates under licence and will build the Scorpène submarines, and seems to develop an unmanned submarine/UUV, but for the other projects i have the feeling it is more or less pure fantasy. Or PAL is not really involved in the design process, but just as a customer.
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An Indonesian private ship design company, Terafulk Megantara Design, showcased a new 120-metre Landing Ship Tank (LST) during Indo Defence 2025.
The design is based on the 117 m to 120 m long Bintuni-class LST vessels, which was built domestically and has been in service since 2015, and the older 100 meter long Semangka-class LSTs constructed in the 1980s by Korea-Tacoma Shipyard. With a length of 120 meters long, the new LST is 300 tonnes heavier than the Bintuni-class, which has a displacement of 2300 ton, with an overall larger storage space and a more compact superstructure. Notably, it includes a dedicated hangar that can accommodate one medium-sized helicopter, a capability absent in the Bintuni-class, which only has a helicopterdeck.
Terafulk Shows Indonesian Navy-Approved New 120-Meter LST - Naval News
Three of the six Teluk Semangka LSTs are already decommissioned, but the other three need to be replaced also. Besides that, the still active vessels from the Project 108 (Frosch I) and Project 109 (Frosch II) LSTs need to be replaced too.
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Bintuni class LST are replacing both ex USN and Korean build LST Teluk Semangka class. That's why the plan is for 12 LST, alltough so far only 9 being contructed. Yes it is because 3 Teluk Semangka class still operational.
The new design seems more inline with latest LST design from Damen as example. Terafulk also put ramp from lower deck to upper one, so vehicle can move from lower deck entrences to upper deck. Typical similarity on design with Damen's LST 120.
So whether next production cycle of LST already move to new design, remain to be seen. However not all Frosch LST having that 41 vessels MLU program. So, yes indication seems shown next batch of LST will be replacement for the last 3 of Teluk Semangka LST and some Frosch LST.
The new design seems more inline with latest LST design from Damen as example. Terafulk also put ramp from lower deck to upper one, so vehicle can move from lower deck entrences to upper deck. Typical similarity on design with Damen's LST 120.
So whether next production cycle of LST already move to new design, remain to be seen. However not all Frosch LST having that 41 vessels MLU program. So, yes indication seems shown next batch of LST will be replacement for the last 3 of Teluk Semangka LST and some Frosch LST.
PAL initially want to enlarge the design of FMP to 143-144 meter, to give two place allotment for VLS in front (after A place 76mm) and in the middle superstructure. However from what I heard, Babcock told them just enlarge middle superstructure for less then 2m. This also providing adjustment to Aselsan fixed array radar multipurpose mast, in fact adjustment to Aselsan radar seems matter more to the increase length. The increse to 143-144m considered too much changes on overall design. From rumours the one that want to increase that much initially coming from PAL CEO.
PAL so far in the design more doing some modification from basic design coming from design house like Terafulk or their mature partner like Babcock, Daesun, or NG. That's why bit surprise they put two Hanwha Ocean design for Destroyer and Submarine. All indication so far shown Hanwha already being sideline as potential partner preference.
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Sandhi Yudha
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1. The trimaran missileboat is a direct rival of PT Lundin's design.
2. It is impressive that Palindo Marine can make vessels like the 110 meter long patrolboat/OPV from BAKAMLA (KN Tanjung Datu 1101), but to suddenly come with aircraft carrier designs, is very daring, maybe even overoptimistic, even if it is "based on Guiseppe Garibaldi design". Looking to the model, it look likes the vessel will be large, up to 300 meter long. But this person is talking about an aircraft carrier with a length of around 250 meters, with a displacement of only 13.000 ton. That is just remarkable: the 180 meter long Guiseppe Garibaldi is already 14.000 ton, the 245 meter long Trieste 38.000 ton and the 261,5 meter long Charles de Gaulle has a displacement of 42.500 ton.
3. The aircraft carrier and the "trimaran frigate" look very hightech and futuristic, but i have the feeling it is just to get attention.
4. The 34 meter long Italian submarine design can become a reality, in my opinion, i just dont know if Palindo has the facility and expertise to build it by them selves.
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Well it is good that a Private yards begin to challange PAL for government contract. For one thing the Republik Palindo spokeperson that Xavier interview have much better english then PAL officials that Xavier interview previously 
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Personally in my opinion their project that seem will or already got traction:
While that carrier concept base on Garibaldi design, seems to me someone in Republikorp hastily ask their team to come out with design to rival Anadolu/Juan Carlos base LHD design that PAL prepare. Both design I'm doubtfull will move much soon. If TNI-AL manage to hold ex Garibaldi, it will be use by them much to next decade before any decision come to build LHD/Light Carrier in Indonesia. They will want to learn first on how to manage, operate and maintain light carrier first before invest billions USD/Euro on building new ones.
.Personally in my opinion their project that seem will or already got traction:
- Their project Turkey like Roketsan and Bayraktar. Cakir SSM is in the same class of Chinese 705, while Atmaca SSM is in the same class of Exocet MM40Blk3. This represent Prabowo's frustration to MBDA licensing negotiation and local 705 reverse engineering project that not move much.
- Their KCR 60 is basically smaller version of TAIS FMB 70 that Indonesia order 2 of them. Seems this is part of tech transfer deal.
- DRASS DG550 compact submarine. The Drass Rep talk about 35m is dimension of DG550. However rumours talk that Navy more interested with DG900. That design of 50m and 8 torpedoes, seems from what I heard have taken interest.
While that carrier concept base on Garibaldi design, seems to me someone in Republikorp hastily ask their team to come out with design to rival Anadolu/Juan Carlos base LHD design that PAL prepare. Both design I'm doubtfull will move much soon. If TNI-AL manage to hold ex Garibaldi, it will be use by them much to next decade before any decision come to build LHD/Light Carrier in Indonesia. They will want to learn first on how to manage, operate and maintain light carrier first before invest billions USD/Euro on building new ones.
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Berpacu Waktu Bangun Kapal Selam Scorpene
Pembangunan infrastruktur vital dikebut, insinyur pun disiapkan seiring dimulainya kontrak alih teknologi penuh dengan Perancis. Kesiapan PT PAL kini dipertaruhkan.
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This article in Kompas talk about how PAL working hard in preparation to enhance their Submarine facility for Scorpene manufacturing. The work including strengthening their submarine berth, and investing with sea lift infrastructure.
However this article confirm one other thing. Presently the modules block for FMP 2 are being prepared at Submarine hangar. Those modules then will be move to Semarang Dock (or perhaps Irian Dock nearby) by August next year using Sea Lift facility. This shown the Submarine hangar and the sea lift will not only use for Submarine but also Fregat projects. Seems for FMP2, PAL want to use similar approach that Babcock use when building type 31.