Indonesia: 'green water navy'

[ROCK45]

Indonesia: Warship ablaze, but none injured

I saw this and was wondering if anybody had any updated information? Glad nobody was hurt at least.


Indonesia: Warship ablaze, but none injured
Link to article
http://armoreddefense.com/home/warship-ablaze-but-none-injured/2008/08/20/

 

[Lofty_DBF]

Indo Sub accident

About 4 years ago a Indonesian submarine had its periscopes and masts damaged by a merchant ship while it was returning to periscope depth.nfloorl:

 

[Lofty_DBF]

Indo Sub accident

double post

 

[mohd2590]

why a big country like indonesia does not have enough money to provide a good navy for its own defence and security??

 

[OPSSG]

The Indonesian Navy and Singapore Navy (RSN) enjoy close relations. In 2002, a RSN ship, the decommissioned RSS JUPITER was tranferred to the Indonesian Navy. The RSS JUPITER is designed to provide support for diving operations, and underwater search and salvage missions.

http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/news_and_events/nr/2002/mar/21mar02_nr.html

The Singapore navy divers in particular have a close relationship, training together on boarding operations and under water demolition with their counter parts (which I believe are called Komando Pasukan Katak) in Indonesian navy. IIRC the relationship is so good that when old world war II mines were found in Indonesian waters, they worked with the Singapore navy to locate and dispose of them (as the Singapore naval divers has slightly better equipment).

 

[OPSSG]

While the paper on Safety and Security in Malacca and Singapore Straits is old news (2 years ago), there is much to be done, especially since there attacks still occurring.

The trends include an increased number of attacks on smaller vessels (tugs and fishing boats) and on product tankers. Fewer attacks occur on vessels above 20,000 GRT, and when these do occur, they are mostly on bulk carriers that may tend to be more vulnerable.

IMHO Indonesia work with other navies and do more for her own sailors and merchant vessels (who tend operate smaller vessels and engaged in cabotage) and are vulnerable to pirate attacks.

I hope the Indonesian Navy will take a sensible approach and focus on immediate needs - to maintain their existing fleet, to conduct more patrols to reduce the incidence of piracy in Indonesia's surrounding territorial waters and to realise their portion of the 21 point action plan listed below. The 40 page paper can be downloaded at: http://www.rsis.edu.sg/publications/policy_papers.html

In May 2006, Institute of Defence and Strategic Studies published a paper on Safety and Security in Malacca and Singapore Straits. Contained within it is a 21 point action plan:

Institutional Arrangements And Capacity Building
1. Adopt a comprehensive approach to maritime security, safety and
environmental protection in the Malacca and Singapore Straits.

2. Establish an inclusive approach to maritime security, safety and environmental protection in the Malacca and Singapore Straits that recognizes the interests of all stakeholders.

3. Strengthen the IMO-sponsored meeting process to provide a regular forum
for dialogue between stakeholders on security, safety and environmental
protection arrangements in the Straits.

4. Assist port administrations to build their capacity to suppress armed robbery
against ships and other forms of maritime crime within anchorages and port
approaches.

5. Develop guidelines for the employment of Private Security Companies (PSCs)
in providing security for vessels transiting the Straits.

Risk Assessment and Reduction
6. Conduct more accurate analysis and assessments of the risks of piracy and
armed robbery against ships.

7. Use the analysis of piracy and armed robbery against ships to inform
assessments about the risks of maritime terrorism.

8. Develop cooperative arrangements, including agreed guidelines, for
protecting vessels most at risk of hijacking.

9. Develop contingency arrangements for managing a major incident involving a
cruise liner or passenger ferry in the Malacca and Singapore Straits.

10. Introduce measures to control the proliferation of small arms and light
weapons in areas adjacent to the Straits.

Regime Building
11. Investigate a regime for burden sharing and recovering the costs of providing security, safety and environmental protection in the Malacca and Singapore Straits.

12. Strengthen arrangements for maritime search and rescue (SAR) in the Malacca and Singapore Straits.

13. Link these to the cooperative arrangements for maritime security and
consequence management.

14. Encourage all littoral and adjacent countries to ratify the SAR and SUA
Conventions.

15. Establish Joint Cooperation Zones where cooperative arrangements for safety and security might apply, which might include territorial seas or archipelagic waters of littoral countries.

16. Implement the Regional Cooperation Agreement on Combating Piracy and
Armed Robbery against Ships in Asia (ReCAAP) as soon as possible.

Operational Cooperation
17. Improve cooperation between the maritime security forces of littoral countries to provide prompt responses to incidents in the Straits.

18. Develop Standard Operating Procedures (SOPs) to cover joint patrolling by
maritime security forces, including entry into territorial seas, archipelagic and
internal waters.

19. Develop Guidelines for the involvement of non-littoral countries for providing security in the Malacca Straits.

20. Foster a programme of multilateral and multi-agency security exercises in the Malacca and Singapore Straits and their approaches.

21. Provide international assistance for Indonesia in establishing a coastal radar network similar to that being established by Malaysia.

 

[OPSSG]

I think it is a good thing that the Indonesian navy is modernising, with the commissioning of the new corvettes with the Sigma Class.

The third ship of this class KRI Sultan Iskandar Muda was recently commissioned and scheduled to sail from the Netherlands to Indonesia on 18 Oct 2008 and will arrive 2 Dec 2008 to take part activities to mark the Indonesian Navy`s Anniversary on 5 Dec 2008.

 

[firdausj]

why a big country like indonesia does not have enough money to provide a good navy for its own defence and security??

I can't also understand why the Gov't of Indonesia did not care with the development and modernization for their arm forces, especially their navy and air force ..

So, don't be surprised if their neighbors called Indonesia as "a sick giant in the South East Asia" ...

 

[OPSSG]

Indonesia as "a sick giant in the South East Asia" ...

Dear firdausj and mohd2590,

Indonesia's economy has suffered because of all the recent natural disasters such as the 2004 Tsunami (where an estimated 655,000 people - homeless and 127,000 people killed) and the earthquakes that have occurred since.

It is the strong leadership of your current President and Vice-President that has enable Indonesia to make such a rapid recovery. They enabled the military to be seen as helping the people but also able to bring about some degree of peace in Aceh (compared to Mynamar).

With peace you can bring about growth. Your country's leaders have rightly focused more on the economy and addressing the issues of poverty. If Indonesia can develop its economy and avoid the dangers of Islamic radicalization, then its future status as a major regional power is assured.

As gf0012-aust mentioned earlier, they are getting help from the Australian Navy. What is important in this process is that Indonesia is seeking the correct technical help. This will ensure that the money is well spent - rather than in the past where Habibie advocated spending on prestige military projects.

However, there are problems : - On 3 occasions in 2007, Antara had reported that tensions between Indonesia and Malaysia over Ambalat (off the coast of Sabah). For more details read the April 2008 RSIS Working Paper on maritime issues in the South China Sea.

OPSSG

 

[tatra]

why a big country like indonesia does not have enough money to provide a good navy for its own defence and security??

Looked at the map lately? At 54,716 km, Indonesia has the second longest coastline of the world and a relatively large coast/landarea ratio (which illustrates the ease of accessibility to the country's coast from every point in its interior). Take this from a Dutchman: just managing to patrol its area of responsibility is a major feat for the Indonesian government and navy (leave alone effectively defending it).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_length_of_coastline

 

[StevoJH]

Looked at the map lately? At 54,716 km, Indonesia has the second longest coastline of the world and a relatively large coast/landarea ratio (which illustrates the ease of accessibility to the country's coast from every point in its interior). Take this from a Dutchman: just managing to patrol its area of responsibility is a major feat for the Indonesian government and navy (leave alone effectively defending it).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_length_of_coastline

Because of the large number of islands they have, I'm assuming Indonesia would be best off with a large fleet of cheap patrol boats along the lines of the Armidale class, backed up by their new LPD's and possibly half a dozen or so small corvettes with full helicopter facilities.

 

[gf0012-aust]

Because of the large number of islands they have, I'm assuming Indonesia would be best off with a large fleet of cheap patrol boats along the lines of the Armidale class, backed up by their new LPD's and possibly half a dozen or so small corvettes with full helicopter facilities.

Indonesia already recognises their problems. They've asked Australia for assistance (via RAN) in developing a green water navy.

They can't afford to do anything else.

 

[OPSSG]

Patrol boat maker sentenced

A COURT IN Indonesia has sentenced a director at PT Bina Mina Karya Perkasa, manufacturer of patrol boats, to four years in jail for graft. Dedy Suwarsono’s operation, according to Tempo Interactive, was part of a wider scam that also involved four other shipbuilding companies.

The companies, according to a Jakarta Post newspaper report last month, paid a lawmaker Bulyan Royan of the Reform Star Party $280,000, to ensure that a deal was closed to buy 21 patrol boats. The report also alleged that the builders had been coerced into paying the legislator.

The four other companies are: PT Fibrite Fibreglass, PT Pruskoneo Kadarusman, PT Sarana Feberindo Marina and PT Caputra Mitra Sejati.

Suwarsono was also convicted of bribing two transport ministry officials, Tansean Parlindungan Malau and Joni Anwir Algamar, giving each $13,000.

That conviction stems from an early 2007 tender by the ministry for patrol boats.

While at first glance, this news looks bad, this is a big step forward for Indonesia - putting corrupt officials on trial.

 

[not_adriano]

yeah, corruption is a real problem in our country......we've been looking the way to improve our navy.....but in the end....fund is really give us trouble.....after the succesful installment of non western SSM on our patrol boat, we are looking forward to continue it on other ship.....we're still struggling for the subs....but whatever the condition....the motto of our navy still the same....jalesveva jayamahe and "tabah sampai akhir" or in english in land and sea we are victorius(even this aren't accomplished yet) and dogged till the end(this should be true...if not,our soldier will be heavily suffered by the oldies equipment)

 

[pasukangeraktjepat]

After our third new corvette came our navy admiral think that it's a time to send one of our new corvette to UN missions. I think it will be better if we wait until we get the last corvette.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2008/12/02/ri-send-war-ship-lebanon.html
RI to send war ship to Lebanon

The Jakarta Post , Jakarta | Tue, 12/02/2008 4:53 PM | National

Indonesia will send a war ship to Southern Lebanon to help build stability in the region, a top Navy official said on Tuesday.

Fulfilling a request from the UN, the Indonesian Navy will send KRI Diponegoro to Lebanon, RI Navy deputy chief of staff Rear Admiral Moekhlas Sidiq told Antara news agency on Tuesday.

"This is an honor on the international stage. In terms of land deployments (Army) the Indonesian military has been helping (the UN) for decades. March 2009 will be the first time we have been entrusted to send a war ship. This is why we are sending the newest one we own," Sidiq said.

 

[Twister]

Indonesian navy should focus on enlargement of multipurpose combat vessel, maybe OPV or LPD.

With a large EZZ, current asset of Indonesian navy are not balance or too small. With more asset to be phased out within 3 years from now, Indonesian Navy have no choice to acquired a long wait asset (waiting too long will effect the operation).

Nakhoda Ragam Class corvette of RBN should be a good choice. Even better if can be fitted with PRC C-802 missile.

 

[Ananda]

Cuurent Plan

There's a blog by a guy id 'dsofandi' http://alusista.blogspot.com. He has quite large news and info on Indonesian Defence procurement and manufacturing projects. Just most of the info is in Indonesian.

By short, Indonesian naval procurement will be based on what PT. PAL (National Dockyard) can produced (either by them self or through underlicence and joint venture agreement).

High on the current list will be:
New Fasy Patrol Boat (FPB 60) which is development of locally manufactured lurseen FPB 57.
National Corvette: Seems will be based to new Italian 'Commandante' corvetes (though enlarge so it will have 105 meter length).

Also PAL in the recently Indodefence exhibition, show their Helicopter Carrier (LPH) design as natural progresstion from current South Korean LPD design that they are now currently building.
The design clearly show a 'mercantile' hull with single propeler and also with 16 knots max speed. So not a fancy Euro LPH design.

This show that we'are still commited for 'green water' navy, and slowly building capacity for manufacturing locally.
Sorry can not provide link to the blog. Try it, but seems make some mistakes on doing it..

But any of you guys interested on what we are developing, this guy blog content enough info that especially those who understand bahasa can digest.

Cheers.

 

[Twister]

Indonesian Armed Forces has a great history during time of Sukarno. However, the glory history not lasted when from year to years Indonesian Armed Forces lost most of their asset & equipment. Evenmore, the 1998 crisis made the military budget become even worst.

However, starting in new millenia, Indonesia Armed Forces seem get back their spirits. With Land Forces & Airforces asset & equipment seem can be modernisation espscially with locally made & assemble, now time for Navy to show off.

Makasar Class LPD, FPB 57, CN-235MPA and various small boat now being manufactured locally as plan to modern the navy. The decision to armed most of combat surface ship with C-802 is wise but the decision purcahsing Sigma Class Corvette seem not quite good.

 

[macman]

Aren't the Indonesian's buying a couple of Gorshov frigates as well as Amur subs?

Not exactly green water ships, but should add some major capability...

 

[Ananda]

No much talking on Frigates deals from rusian, but there's quite a lot of talk on Amurs subs. There's still dividing opinion between the brass in Defence Ministry and the Armed Forces on Rusian Equipments.

Type 209 is defenetely outclassed by the Amur's...however many interest on state strategic industries seems to push for additional 209, simply because the promised deal by South Korean to help PAL in building submarine manufacturing facilities locally.

Thus it seems ( at least in current administration view) whoever can provide more technological transfer with much attractive financing scheme will go...
Off course it can change if the current administration loss the next election.

Cheers