Indonesia: 'green water navy'

[pasukangeraktjepat]

I don't know exactly.But i've heard that beside operate a lot of old warship, our navy leader is more interesting in operating a small number of new warship.

 

[Jason_kiwi]

The missile boats they have will be affective. For five hundred islands, they don't have much.

 

[cherry]

The RAN might advise that all Indonesian warships should be painted Brilliant white with a VERY large round red circle, painted right in the middle of them

top stuff!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Stryker001]

So when i remember the australian support for East Timor independence, i can't blame the australian for that.They just make their choice, anyway i hope we can start a new relationship.

Halo dari Australia, saya memikirkan itu adalah kemungkinan di masa mendatang jika Indonesia membahas demokrasi penuh dan pelanggaran hak asasi perhentian TNI di West Papua don Aceh

In english
Hello from Australia, I think that is a possibility in the future if Indonesia takes up full democracy and the TNI stop human rights abuse in West Papua and Aceh

 

[pasukangeraktjepat]

Well in Soeharto era maybe we have a bad-history dealing with the separatist movement.In dealing with the separatist our govt. try to separate the separatist from the common people.There was a theory that some of army intelligence officer made a 'separatist-movement wannabe' or 'pseudo-separatist movement' that make a cruel action to the common people in Aceh and Papua (killing,raping,etc).So the army could get a symphaty from the common people in the battle again the separatist.But this only make a common-people in Aceh and West Papua suffer so much.
I read some years ago in Kompas, indonesia newspaper, the TNI oficer got this strategy from their training in USA.
Nowadays we try to solve this separatist problem with a negosiation.

 

[ArjunMK1]

Why does Indonesia need a large navy? Whom she is going to fight ? China ,India,MalayAsia or the US.

Actually Indonesia does not need a large number of frigates and destroyers. It needs long range advanced patrol crafts ( in large numbers ) , helicopter carriers and long range survillance aircrafts . All these for protection of its vital sea routes from illegal traffic, piracy and illegal weapon's trade.
It has got numerous islands which needs to be protected from separists ( or freedom fighters ) . So a considerable number of landing crafts are also required for troop transportation .

Actually I do not see any immediate threat to the nation so it is useless for her to drain its resources by building a ' show piece ' navy .

:indonesia :indonesia :indonesia :indonesia :

 

[Supe]

Helicopter carriers would make an interesting addition to the Indonesian Navy. I mentioned it in an earlier post. Something along the lines of what Australia is looking at would allow for great flexibility.

 

[Pendekar]

nice preview, if we let go the fact that indonesia can't even properly maintain it's current assets. why, they can't even arm their 2 SU-30s. But from the news, i see a light in a future. But i bet that Singapore or Malaysia will acquire the LHD before indonesia.

 

[Supe]

But i bet that Singapore or Malaysia will acquire the LHD before indonesia.

Now there's a possibility.... I just see such a ship has having a bit more utility for the Indonesians than it would for its neighbours. I'm thinking of an LHD in Indonesian service to be used in a plethora of roles. Whether it's used to aid in domestic security (inherent amphibious capability) , patrolling pirate infested waters, providing humanitarian aid en masse and yes, even power projection it would have to be considered be a desirable asset.

With decent command and control facilities it would be a force multiplier for whatever role its used in. I can imagine it being used as a floating sea base for patrol vessels and helos patrolling vital shipping lanes in order to curb piracy.

 

[ArjunMK1]

Continuing my previous post ;

Can any body tell me the nations who are hostile against Indonesia and requires a large navy to be stopped !!

I think Indonesia is among peaceful ASEAN neighbours and its only threat is the separists !!

 

[Stryker001]

Yes most probably Singapore and or Malaysia will secure LHD capabilities before Indonesia.

I can't see any direct threat to Indonesia by regional neighbours, I think domestic secuirty to prevent piracy in the waters that belong to Indonesia should be a priority for the Indonesian Navy. This doctrine would not only aid Indonesia's security but also the rest of the region in my view.

 

[pasukangeraktjepat]

Continuing my previous post ;

Can any body tell me the nations who are hostile against Indonesia and requires a large navy to be stopped !!

I think Indonesia is among peaceful ASEAN neighbours and its only threat is the separists !!

You're right when you say Asean is a friendly community, but every country must prepare when a worst happen, like a famous quote 'if you want a peace you must ready for a battle'.
About a LHD, i'm personally agree that our navy need that ship.I only doesn't know how we get the money to buy But who knows ? maybe 15-20 years later we can get that ship.

 

[pasukangeraktjepat]

Just another reason why we should have a sufficient naval force


[font=Helvetica, Arial]RI demands extradition of Malaysian officers over trespassing incident[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica]JAKARTA (Antara): Indonesia has requested the extradition of Malaysian officers for allegedly foiling an arrest of illegal fishermen, foreign ministry spokesman Yuri Thamrin said on Friday.

Yuri said that the Malaysian officers aboard a warship demanded the release of three Malaysian trawlers being escorted on Wednesday to a nearby port for illegally fishing in Indonesian waters.

"They clearly violated our maritime territory," Yuri said.

The government has also conveyed a strong protest message to the Malaysian government accusing Kuala Lumpur of violating Indonesian territory after the Malaysian warship was spotted off Jemur island, technically part of North Sumatra province, he said.

"We have sent a protest note to the Malaysian government, demanding an investigation," he said. The neighboring countries have been involved in heated arguments for months over the possession of a lucrative oil-producing areas in the Sulawesi Sea. Both have deployed warships to the area and traded accusations of maritime border violations

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[AMTP10E]

Indonesia and Malaysia came very close to a major naval battle a little while ago. It was only a phone call from the chief of the TNI to his Malaysian counterpart that stopped a shooting war.

Last thing everybody needs is a hot little war in SE Asia.

 

[Aussie Digger]

Indonesia and Malaysia came very close to a major naval battle a little while ago. It was only a phone call from the chief of the TNI to his Malaysian counterpart that stopped a shooting war.

Last thing everybody needs is a hot little war in SE Asia.

Yes, it'd probably be a short sharp affair to start with and then drag on for an interminable bit of sniping here and there. It wouldn't do much for ASEAN that's for sure. Particularly now everybody has signed up and promised (possibly with fingers crossed) NOT to be aggressive...

 

[Stryker001]

FFV's, people smugglers and other boader violators must be prevented from entering other nations water terrirtory. Australia has had operation Cranberry running since 1997 to protect our EEZ. This is especially important due national security issues that are prevalent now with the war on terror.

 

[CSS]

Just another reason why we should have a sufficient naval force


[font=Helvetica, Arial]RI demands extradition of Malaysian officers over trespassing incident[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica]JAKARTA (Antara): Indonesia has requested the extradition of Malaysian officers for allegedly foiling an arrest of illegal fishermen, foreign ministry spokesman Yuri Thamrin said on Friday.

Yuri said that the Malaysian officers aboard a warship demanded the release of three Malaysian trawlers being escorted on Wednesday to a nearby port for illegally fishing in Indonesian waters.

"They clearly violated our maritime territory," Yuri said.

The government has also conveyed a strong protest message to the Malaysian government accusing Kuala Lumpur of violating Indonesian territory after the Malaysian warship was spotted off Jemur island, technically part of North Sumatra province, he said.

"We have sent a protest note to the Malaysian government, demanding an investigation," he said. The neighboring countries have been involved in heated arguments for months over the possession of a lucrative oil-producing areas in the Sulawesi Sea. Both have deployed warships to the area and traded accusations of maritime border violations

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RI Files Complaint Over Territorial Violation by KL
Friday, July 29, 2005

Eva C. Komandjaja, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta

Indonesia has lodged a protest with the Malaysian government over the foiled
arrest of a number of fishermen aboard three Malaysian trawlers and a possible
territorial violation.

Director of the Water Police squad Brig. Gen. N. Sutisna said on Thursday the
fish poachers had used the presence of an incoming Malaysian warship and
helicopter to evade their arrest by Indonesian officers.

The incident took place in the waters off Jumhur island in North Sumatra on
Wednesday, when the police patrol boat was escorting the Malaysian trawlers to
the nearest port, according to Sutisna.

"We let go of the fish poachers as we were forced at gun point by the
Malaysian seamen. They intimidated us and made our officers go aboard the
Malaysian
naval ship," Sutisna said.

When asked if the Malaysian warship had trespassed Indonesian waters, Sutisna
said: "It's a clear intrusion into Indonesian territory."

Ministry of Foreign Affairs officials were not available for comment on
Thursday.

The incident added to previous territorial disputes involving Indonesian and
Malaysian military officers. Indonesian and Malaysian warships brushed with
each other on April 8 in the border area near disputed oil and gas block
Ambalat in the Sulawesi Sea.

Sutisna said the latest incident began when the patrolling water police
intercepted the Malaysian trawlers in three separate locations in North
Sumatra waters, near the international lane of the Strait of Malacca.

"We captured the first trawler, bearing registration number PKSB 57, at 6:30
a.m. local time around 11 nautical miles from Jumur island and found the
second, PKSB 646, around 15 miles from the island at 7:30 a.m.. The third
trawler was located half an hour after the second boat was intercepted," Sutisna said, adding that the three trawlers were poaching in Indonesian waters.

Sutisna said several police officers had been placed in each of the trawlers
en route to the nearest port, where the fishermen would undergo questioning. (this is a good track record?? three trawlers in one go...good one)

"Suddenly we saw a Malaysian warship KP Knembela 14 and a M-502 helicopter approaching," Sutisna said.

Encouraged by the arrival of the Malaysian warship and helicopter, the
fishermen put up a fight, using machetes and iron bars.

"Since they are foreign citizens we did not fight back. We were outnumbered," Sutisna said.(thanks, hmm..nice of U though)

He said the trawlers were released after an argument with the Malaysian navy officers.(well just a heated one, no one hurt, this is what we called sea diplomacy)

"We contacted the Malaysian police afterward, asking them to arrest the
poachers and hand them over to us. But so far we haven't received any
respond," Sutisna said.

He added that he had contacted foreign ministry officials who were in a
meeting with their Malaysian counterparts in Yogyakarta for talks on the
Ambalat dispute.

"We were told the ministry would lodge a strong protest with the Malaysian
government regarding the incident," Sutisna said.

Source from The Jakarta Post
Friday, July 29, 2005 (unless in bracket)

p/s so many reports from Indonesian report on can be find on this issue, I hardly saw any report from Malaysian press...they might busy writing other things.

Just a note:
It is a known among Malaysian fisherman to pay large sum of money to a `group with heavy weapons' when they board their fishing vessel or their vessel being pulled to our `thy neighbour land'. Not sure about this particular case though. It is a thin line of maritime border at the straits, we never to sure where we are.

IN do need a large patrol ship. In addition, a good rewards to the IN personel also required, this will give them a good motivation. Our army just received an increase salary package, this at least will enhances their spirit. Malaysia always believe in the idea of prospering the neighbour. Eventhough I still remember the slogan `Ganyang Malaysia!!' utter by the citizen of Indonesia. But there will be no war. We now are too much dependence to each other.

 

[Francois]

Just a thought.
Isn't it in Australia's interest to have an Indonesia a bit mor powerful to make a shield against the growing threat up North?
I mean, just like US used Canada and Europa as a pillow against soviets in the old days.

 

[Pendekar]

which "north" do you mean

 

[Paxter]

Your "north" is the one saving your trade ships from indonesian pirates and i doubt it is in australias intrest to have indonesia a bit more powerful....