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Which Attack Helicopter Should Indian Army opt for


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aaaditya

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aprasadi said:
I dont think why is india going for another scout or light transport heli. when we have ALH which has got success in eveyfield. wht we need to develop with them in collaboration is medium to heavy lift helis and combat helis like apache. The current urgent need is such a heli which can airlift 30-40 fully armed soldiers in 10 ton class. Also LCH should be developed in a rapid phase to counter growing need of combat helis and to replace the ageing MI-35(hind)
the alh is a medium helicopter (about 4.5 tons) while the loh is a light helicopter (2 tons) both are completely different machines,also india is acquiring as many as 80 additional mi172's for the army (these are 30 seaters).
 

aaaditya

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hey guys here is an interesting news article,can anyone explain how the range tables work?

here check out this link:

http://www.business-standard.com/common/storypage_c.php?leftnm=10&autono=96466

Targeting an enemy in the battlefield may just get a tad easier for the uniformed cadre, thanks to the efforts of the Centre for Artificial Intelligence and Robotics (CAIR). The centre is part of the electronics and computer sciences department of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and has developed a solution that can help the armed forces track the trajectory of ammunition, estimate the position of the enemy and therefore target better. “Many a time a person on the warfront may not be able to see the enemy due to the distance. In such instances, range tables (similar to log tables) are used to track the trajectory. If the predictions go wrong, there is the fear of the enemy being alerted. So we have developed a solution, which can help in addressing these issues,” N Sitaram, director, CAIR, told Business Standard. Sitaram was in Hyderabad to address a workshop on ‘Towards securing end systems in the networked world - challenges and possible solutions’ organised by the Centre for Development of Advanced Computing. “While the accuracy rate of this solution is higher than its predecessor, the time saved is also ample,” Sitaram said, adding that it was difficult for him to state the exact accuracy rate of the solution. The Bangalore-based CAIR employs around 150 people today. Sitaram declined to divulge the funds that have been allotted to the centre for development of such solutions.
 

aprasadi

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aaditya thats what i am trying to tell, that if we can build a medium wt heli like ALH , then why cant we build a scout heli of 2 ton class. According to me its always easier to build some low end machine when you have acheived some higher end machine. Why to waste the foreign exchange when we can get it in rupees in HAL.:smokie
 

aaaditya

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aprasadi said:
aaditya thats what i am trying to tell, that if we can build a medium wt heli like ALH , then why cant we build a scout heli of 2 ton class. According to me its always easier to build some low end machine when you have acheived some higher end machine. Why to waste the foreign exchange when we can get it in rupees in HAL.:smokie
no point in developing something from the scratch ,which is likely to take atleast 4 or 5 more years when you want it right now,also no point in developing something when you have a comparable technology available for immediate use ,at lower cost and with re-export licence.
 

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Indian made T-72 tanks full with defects.

New Delhi (APP): Indian made T-72 tanks full with defects. 70 accidents occur in front line made in India T-72 tanks, in that many soldiers died and many injured.

Indian media told that more then 50 regiments are using T-72 tanks and India is making these tanks from 22years. 70 accidents occurs in different units due to explosion of cannon barrels and changing of barrel takes six million Indian rupees and 300 tanks repaired until now. Report also said Indian army still using defected tanks and many of them are front line tanks.

According to report defected barrel PT-72 is not cause of failure of tanks but the quality of these Indian produced tanks is too much bad. A commander of T-72 regiment said in 1998 that, "his regiment is not able to fight war."

Carnal Anil Col of Indian army said that, government is sending bad quality bombs and projectiles, he also said that during quality check I rejected these bombs and projectiles, but some people are forcing me to change report but I said no to that people. Then they issued that bombs and projectiles to another unit where during use these bombs and projectiles exploded and three soldiers killed, then too that weapons are in use of many units.

According to report there are no effective quality control for Indian developed weapons and due to bad quality weapons there are too much possibilities of defeat in war.

Source: (Nawa-I-Waqt daily: 4 July-2006)
 

kams

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hovercraft said:
Indian made T-72 tanks full with defects.

New Delhi (APP): Indian made T-72 tanks full with defects. 70 accidents occur in front line made in India T-72 tanks, in that many soldiers died and many injured.

Indian media told that more then 50 regiments are using T-72 tanks and India is making these tanks from 22years. 70 accidents occurs in different units due to explosion of cannon barrels and changing of barrel takes six million Indian rupees and 300 tanks repaired until now. Report also said Indian army still using defected tanks and many of them are front line tanks.

According to report defected barrel PT-72 is not cause of failure of tanks but the quality of these Indian produced tanks is too much bad. A commander of T-72 regiment said in 1998 that, "his regiment is not able to fight war."

Carnal Anil Col of Indian army said that, government is sending bad quality bombs and projectiles, he also said that during quality check I rejected these bombs and projectiles, but some people are forcing me to change report but I said no to that people. Then they issued that bombs and projectiles to another unit where during use these bombs and projectiles exploded and three soldiers killed, then too that weapons are in use of many units.

According to report there are no effective quality control for Indian developed weapons and due to bad quality weapons there are too much possibilities of defeat in war.

Source: (Nawa-I-Waqt daily: 4 July-2006)
Could you please provide the link to the story please? (not the reference, actual link). Just want to know who can write this kind of English and it still gets published.
 

slim

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Questions

the Indian Army has conducted two major exercises within the past 12 months
I believe these exercises were done to test and implement the concept of small, quickly deployable, highly maneuverable and hard hitting units.Also the Indian Army has created a new South -Western command and is planning to bring major organizational changes to its Western Command. Does this mean that India will gradually dissolve its huge Armored Divisions in favor of more Independent armored/mechanized or combined armed brigades, maybe something in the lines of the new French and US brigades(eg Brigade unit of Action in the US). If So does anyone know how many and what type of these new units will be created and what kind of ORBAT and TOE will they have.
I also do not understand why India created two massive artillery divisions. Most armies employ artillery in brigade sized units this is the first time I have heard of an artillery division.
 

fightermki

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indian made tanks didnt had flaws but one of the units was in bad condition in 2002 standoff between india and pakistan , this was revieled in tribune and it was not due to thge fact that they were indian made but tese were the oldest of the t-72's purchased as ckd's from russia and no need to post such old things as this news came in 2003 in the tribune. unit was from deployed in punjab and was an exceptional case <no links news very old to even think > they might be having deadly t90's now.
 

aaaditya

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hey guys check out this link,it contains information on the current status of the f-insas programme and that of the indigenous uuv's and robotic vehicles.

here check out this link:

http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?gid=11


Scientists working on 'soldier as a system', robotic soldiers

BANGALORE, JULY 21 (PTI)
If the country's defence scientists have their way, the Army could be equipped with hi-tech individual communications and weapons systems within three to five years, a top official said today.
And the next decade could see the advent of robotic soldiers trained in autonomous infantry warfare, said A Sivathanu Pillai, the chief controller of research and development in the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).
Speaking about new initiatives in armament technology, Pillai told PTI that the scientists are working on a programme called "soldier as a system".
"You need to equip the infantry soldier well," said Pillai. "The man must be equipped with intelligent inputs, communication, lightweight night sights, special goggles, protective clothing, protective shoes against mines.
"Many things are built around the soldier with minimum weight so that he becomes more efficient. In about three to five years, you will see many technologies coming up to help the soldier," he said.
According to Pillai, this programme will lead to "robotic soldiers" trained for autonomous warfare, for which a "10-year horizon is seen". "It (robotic soldier programme) is in a very initial stage," he said. Pillai said the DRDO is working on autonomous vehicles that could clear minefields and precision-guided munitions. It has also carried out "some studies" and "initial trials" on a major programme for developing autonomous underwater vehicles. Noting that future wars will be "fast", Pillai said DRDO had started working on technologies for this.
 

aaaditya

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hey guys seems that the indian army has placed the orders for the brahmos,now waiting just for the indian airforce to place some orders.

here check out this link:

http://www.hindu.com/2006/07/28/stories/2006072806931200.htm


CHENNAI: Besides the Navy, the Army has placed orders for the land-to-land version of the BrahMos missile, according to A. Sivathanu Pillai, Chief Executive Officer and Managing Director, BrahMos Aerospace Private Limited, New Delhi.
In a recent interview, he said, "We are now preparing for the trials of the air version of the BrahMos missile" which would take place by the end of 2007. The Indian Air Force's Sukhoi-30 MKI (Mark India) would try out the missile.
According to Dr. Sivathanu Pillai, the Navy had placed orders for the BrahMos missile, which would be fitted into several ships.
"Production [of the missile] is in full swing," he said.
There have been 12 flights of BrahMos so far and all of them have been successful. The first flight was on June 12, 2001 and the 12th flight was on May 31, 2006. Out of these 12 flights, four were from a Naval vessel, six were from land to sea, and two from land to land at the Pokhran range in Rajasthan. Sources in the Defence Research and Development Organisationsaid that if one BrahMos missile were to be fitted into the Sukhoi-30 MKI, no structural changes needed to be made in the aircraft. But the aircraft's wings would have to be strengthened.
 

aaaditya

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kams said:
Indian Army has selected Rafael's Spyder air-defence system over VL-MICA from MBDA.

Spyder for Indian Army
that's great ,this will provide operational flexibility(particularly if the iaf acquires the python-5 and derby missiles for its fighter jets.),also the range of these missiles ,particularly derby, is to increased ,this is a proff of their upgradability.though i wish there was a variant of these missiles for the indian naval warships.
 

aaaditya

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hey guys indian army has rejected the bel-iai shilka upgrade for its 23mm shilka self propelled air defence gun systems ,and is now looking to acquire a new air defence gun system.

the possible candidates are:

1) oerlikon contraves with its skyshield system.

http://www.oerlikoncontraves.it/Difesa/eng/Skyshield.htm

check out the effect of the 35mm ahead type of rounds against a missile type of target.(can anyone identify the missile targeted,looks to me like a popeye.)

http://www.oerlikoncontraves.it/Difesa/eng/AHEAD_System.htm

2) rheinmetal guns.

http://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/index.php?fid=2050&lang=3&pdb=1

http://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/index.php?fid=2049&lang=3&pdb=1
 

aaaditya

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hey guys seems that the india and israel will jointly manufacture and export cargo ammunitions for tanks and artillery of various calibres.

by the way guys can someone explain the concept behind cargo ammunitions and how they function?are they some type of chemical weapons?

here check out this link:

http://indiamonitor.com/news/readNews.jsp?ni=283

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]India to manufacture cargo ammunition with Israel[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]

NEW DELHI, August 01, 2006: Even with Israel bombing Lebanon, India is preparing to enter into a first-ever joint defence venture with Israel to manufacture ?cargo ammunition?.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The joint venture is proposed between the Khamaria ordinance factory near Jabalpur in Madhya Pradesh and Israel Military Industries (IMI), a public sector company. This will be the first foreign direct investment (FDI) in the defence sector in India since new policies about the manufacture of military products were framed last year.

However, the estimated cost of the project is undisclosed. Cargo ammunition is an explosive that can be fired from both artillery guns and tanks and is designed to damage and maim the enemy over a large area. Cargo ammunition of various calibres will enhance the importance of artillery on the battlefield dramatically, officials said.
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kams

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aaaditya said:
hey guys seems that the india and israel will jointly manufacture and export cargo ammunitions for tanks and artillery of various calibres.

by the way guys can someone explain the concept behind cargo ammunitions and how they function?are they some type of chemical weapons?

here check out this link:

http://indiamonitor.com/news/readNews.jsp?ni=283

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]India to manufacture cargo ammunition with Israel[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]

NEW DELHI, August 01, 2006: Even with Israel bombing Lebanon, India is preparing to enter into a first-ever joint defence venture with Israel to manufacture ?cargo ammunition?.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The joint venture is proposed between the Khamaria ordinance factory near Jabalpur in Madhya Pradesh and Israel Military Industries (IMI), a public sector company. This will be the first foreign direct investment (FDI) in the defence sector in India since new policies about the manufacture of military products were framed last year.

However, the estimated cost of the project is undisclosed. Cargo ammunition is an explosive that can be fired from both artillery guns and tanks and is designed to damage and maim the enemy over a large area. Cargo ammunition of various calibres will enhance the importance of artillery on the battlefield dramatically, officials said.
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Aaditya, here is a link to IMI's website for Cargo ammunition.

Cargo ammunition
 

aaaditya

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thank you very much kams.however the range of these projectiles seems to be quite inadequate,i believed they are banned by the human rights organisations.
 

vijayshimla

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Sniper rifles

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Dude IA uses the top of the line snipers ,7.62mm Dragunov, 7.62mm Mauser SP66, 7.62mm H&K MSG-90.The Dragunov is fielded by marksmen and the elite snipers have acess to the German (Mauser and MSG-90).:D .

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORCES/Army/Inf-Weapons.html
Hey what about PA ?

Army is using Mauser SP66 Caliber: 7.62x51mm NATO (.308 Win)
Operation: Manual bolt action
Scope: Zeiss-Diavari ZA 1.5-6x standard, others may be fitted
Feed: 3 round integral box magazine
Weight (Loaded): 13.64lbs (6.2 kg)
Length: 44.85" (114cm)
Barrel: 26.75" (68 cm) - 4 Groves, right hand twist.
Stock: Fully adjustable, thumbhole, target style wood stock.
The SP66 was designed and intended for both military and Law Enforcement use. It is a well made rifle, with a beautiful and very practical contoured wood stock. The SP66 is similar to, and can trace some of its roots back to, some competition rifles. The rifle uses the Mauser short action with a very fast lock time, which is critical to accurate shooting. The rifle has a high reputation for being extremely accurate, and comfortable to shoot.


ARMY-SVD-Caliber: Russian 7.62x54mm Rimmed
Operation: gas, semi-automatic
Capacity: 10 round detachable box magazine
Weight: 9.5lb (4.31kg) empty with telescope
Length: 48.2 in (122.5 cm)
Barrel Length: 24 in (62 cm)
Rifling: 4 grooves, 1:10 right hand twist
Max Rate of Fire: 30 RPM
Aimed Rate of Fire: 3-5 RPM
Scope Type: PSO-1 with IR detection capability
Scope Data: 24mm objective lens, 4x, 6 degree field of view
Exit Pupil Measurement: 6mm
Compatible Passive Night Scopes: NSP-3: 2.7x, 7 degree field of view
range of approx 300 yds
PGN-1: 3.4x, 5.7 degree field of view
range of 400-500 yds
The SVD (Snayperskaya Vintovka Dragunova)-Dragunov Sniping Rifle was the first rifle designed from scratch as a sniper rifle, and was introduced in the 1950's. It has very limited similarities to the Kalashnikov series of rifles. The SVD can be expected to shoot 2 MOA with quality ammo.

as also H&K PSG-1 (NSG) Caliber: 7.62 x 51mm NATO (.308 Win)
Magazine: 5 or 20 round detachable box
Barrel: 25.59" (650mm), Heavy, 4 grooves, right hand twist.
System of Operation: Roller locked, delayed blowback.
Overall length: 47.56" (120.8 cm)
Total Weight: 17.81 lbs (8.10kg)
Scope: Hendsoldt 6x42, with reticle illumination. 6 settings
from 100 to 600 meters
Stock: Matte black high impact plastic,
adjustable for length, pivoting butt cap,
vertically-adjustable cheekpiece; target-type
pistol grip with adustable palm shelf.
Trigger: Adjustable for pull, removable from pistol grip.
Features: Uses HK-91 action with low-noise bolt closing device;
special forend with T-way rail for sling swivel or tripod.
The PSG-1 is said to be the most accurate semi-auto in the world. There is a lot of other rifle manufacturers that will dispute this, but the PSG-1 has become the standard that the others must meet. The accuracy standard that all PSG-1's must meet is 50 rounds of match ammo into an 80mm (3.14") circle at 300m. (1 MOA). Keep in mind this is 50 rounds, not a 3 shot group. The PSG-1 is popular in some Special Op units and elite anti-terrorist units. It really does not lend itself well to the Military environment because of 2 reasons. First it ejects the shells about 10 meters, and this can easily give away a position, and also is a pain to try and police your brass to prevent leaving a target identifier. The second reason is that it only can be fitted with the Hensoldt 6x42 sight. No other sight can be used (Short of grinding off the mount and welding on your own type base). The 6x is only set up to be used out to 600 meters, and thats the start of the optimal engagement range for military snipers (From 600-700 meters). It is an outstanding Police Sharpshooter weapon, but most agencies cannot afford the price tag (about $9000 USD), which is why it usually shows up in only the most elite units.

H&K MSG-90 Caliber: 7.62mm x 51
Design Objective Semi-automatic rifle for single fire
Operation Recoil-operated delayed blowback bolt system, firing from closed bolt position
Barrel Cold-forged, quenched and tempered barrel, 600mm long
Trigger Standard trigger with a constant trigger pull, approx 15 N
Vertically adjustable trigger shoe for widening the trigger
Stock Butt stock with lengthwise adjustable butt cap and vertically adjustable cheek-piece
Sights Telescopic sight mount for different types of daylight and night sight featuring STANAG fitting dimensions
Magazine 5-round or 20-round magazines at option
Features Handguard with T-way for fixing a firing sling or mounting the bipod

The MSG90 was developed as a cost effective alternative to the PSG-1, it has the same operating system and trigger. It features an adjustable stock, but not as fancy as the PSG-1 and it weighs 3 pounds less. The MSG90 makes a great designated marksman rifle (DMR), and in fact, the USMC evaluated 6 of them for their DMR contract. Ultimately the MSG90 was ruled out because it was not retrofitable to .300 WM.
The MSG90 can be expected to shoot 3/4 MOA with good ammo


Sig SSG3000 (NSG) Caliber 7.62 x 51mm (.308 win)
Overall Length 46.46" (1180mm)
Barrel Length 24" (610mm)
Weight (w/o scope) 11.9 lbs (5.4kg)
Weight (w/ Hendsoldt 1.5-6x42mm) 13.6 lbs (6.2kg)
Mag. Capacity 5
Numumber of Grooves 4
Rate of twist 1 in 12"
Made in Switzerland, the SSG 3000 is a extremely well made rifle. It is modular in design, and the stock is of laminated wood and ventilated. The bolt has six lugs and locks into the barrel. There is a rail under the forearm to take accessories. The rifle comes standard with a Hendsoldt scope, but the rings are standard so that can be switched out. Sig has an extremely good reputation for high quality, very accurate weapons.
courtsy-Snipercentral.
 

aaaditya

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hey guys seems that the indigenous excalibur assault rifle has been tested and inducted by the indian army and is now being offered to egypt.

india has also developed and productionised an anti-material sniper rifle based on the south african mechen ntw-20 ,this rifles is available in three caliber 12.7mm,14.5mm and 20mm and can be used to destroy enemy bunkers and lightly armoured vehicles.this weapon has been named as the vidhwanshak which is sanskrit for destructive.

here check out this link:

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2006/20060816/edit.htm


India would be bidding for a global tender to establish a small arms manufacturing unit in Egypt. This bid would be made on the strength of the indigenously developed high-tech Excalibur rifle, which is an improved version of the 5.56 INSAS rifle being used by the Indian Armed Forces. Excalibur, which is also being manufactured at Ichapur Rifle factory, has been tried and commended by the India Infantry School, Mhow. Incidentally, ordnance factories have also developed an indigenous anti-material rifle and have started work on a full Infantry Soldier System. The anti-material rifle being manufactured at a Trichy unit has three barrels from which it can destroy concrete bunkers and also soft armour plates.
 
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