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I really don't see why that is relevant in this debate. If it is, then clearly establish it in relation to your response.ashblackhawk said:
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Do you think the above quote has anything relevant to do with the topic ? also i think Kashmir is a political problem and its india's internal problem it is something that i point out to failure's of US vehicles in iraq, or launch failure of missile defense of US rather than staying on the topic. Also i think i was just making some humourgf0012-aust said:
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well guys can someone explain to me the implications of this(how does us training help india and what benefits wil placing an officer at the us pacific command help india.):coffee
US offers training on aircraft carrier and presence in Pacific
Defence Minister Mukherjee to meet Secy Rumsfeld at Pentagon on Tuesday
[font=Arial, Helvetica, Sans-serif]NEW DELHI, JUNE 25: From an offer to train Indian naval pilots to posting an Indian officer in the Pacific Command and possibly in the Florida-based Central Command as well, Washington is ready with a slew of proposals for Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee as he begins his US trip tonight. Although a careful Mukherjee has called the visit ‘‘exploratory,’’ these proposals are expected to be discussed when he meets US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld at the Pentagon on Tuesday.
Sources said that Washington will offer to train Indian naval pilots in strategic aircraft-carrier operations. The proposal to have an Indian officer at the Hawaii-based Pacific Command is meant for improved coordination in the Indian Ocean.
Although Mukherjee and his Defence Secretary are studying the proposals, the Indian diplomatic establishment has already done its homework with a visit to the Pacific Command. That the US wants to upgrade the military relationship with India is clear from the fact that only Japan, South Korea and Australia have liaison officers based at the Hawaii command.
Incidentally, the NDA, too, led by its External Affairs Minister Jaswant Singh had discussed the idea of an Indian presence in this command with Washington.
The aircraft-carrier pilot training will be done at the Naval Air Training Command at Pensacola in Florida. This school was established in 1914 and has given over 100,000 ‘‘wings of gold’’ to naval pilots using 16 squadrons for training aircraft. It offers year-long training in naval helicopter, propeller or multi-engine and strike warfare operations.
Though the Indian Navy trains its carrier pilots at INS Hansa at Goa and on-board its sole aircraft carrier Viraat, it needs help to train pilots using ‘‘catapult’’ operations. This is because Navy will be shifting from vertical take-off and landing aircraft Sea Harrier, deployed on Viraat, to MiG-29 K that will use a steam powered catapult on-board Admiral Gorshkov or INS Vikramaditya. The new aircraft carrier is likely to join the Navy in 2007. Sources said that Washington will offer to train Indian naval pilots in strategic aircraft-carrier operations. The proposal to have an Indian officer at the Hawaii-based Pacific Command is meant for improved coordination in the Indian Ocean.
Although Mukherjee and his Defence Secretary are studying the proposals, the Indian diplomatic establishment has already done its homework with a visit to the Pacific Command. That the US wants to upgrade the military relationship with India is clear from the fact that only Japan, South Korea and Australia have liaison officers based at the Hawaii command.
Incidentally, the NDA, too, led by its External Affairs Minister Jaswant Singh had discussed the idea of an Indian presence in this command with Washington.
The aircraft-carrier pilot training will be done at the Naval Air Training Command at Pensacola in Florida. This school was established in 1914 and has given over 100,000 ‘‘wings of gold’’ to naval pilots using 16 squadrons for training aircraft. It offers year-long training in naval helicopter, propeller or multi-engine and strike warfare operations.
Though the Indian Navy trains its carrier pilots at INS Hansa at Goa and on-board its sole aircraft carrier Viraat, it needs help to train pilots using ‘‘catapult’’ operations. This is because Navy will be shifting from vertical take-off and landing aircraft Sea Harrier, deployed on Viraat, to MiG-29 K that will use a steam powered catapult on-board Admiral Gorshkov or INS Vikramaditya. The new aircraft carrier is likely to join the Navy in 2007. Sources said that Washington will offer to train Indian naval pilots in strategic aircraft-carrier operations. The proposal to have an Indian officer at the Hawaii-based Pacific Command is meant for improved coordination in the Indian Ocean.
Although Mukherjee and his Defence Secretary are studying the proposals, the Indian diplomatic establishment has already done its homework with a visit to the Pacific Command. That the US wants to upgrade the military relationship with India is clear from the fact that only Japan, South Korea and Australia have liaison officers based at the Hawaii command.
Incidentally, the NDA, too, led by its External Affairs Minister Jaswant Singh had discussed the idea of an Indian presence in this command with Washington.
The aircraft-carrier pilot training will be done at the Naval Air Training Command at Pensacola in Florida. This school was established in 1914 and has given over 100,000 ‘‘wings of gold’’ to naval pilots using 16 squadrons for training aircraft. It offers year-long training in naval helicopter, propeller or multi-engine and strike warfare operations.
Though the Indian Navy trains its carrier pilots at INS Hansa at Goa and on-board its sole aircraft carrier Viraat, it needs help to train pilots using ‘‘catapult’’ operations. This is because Navy will be shifting from vertical take-off and landing aircraft Sea Harrier, deployed on Viraat, to MiG-29 K that will use a steam powered catapult on-board Admiral Gorshkov or INS Vikramaditya. The new aircraft carrier is likely to join the Navy in 2007. http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=73343
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US offers training on aircraft carrier and presence in Pacific
[font=Arial, Helvetica, Sans-serif]NEW DELHI, JUNE 25: From an offer to train Indian naval pilots to posting an Indian officer in the Pacific Command and possibly in the Florida-based Central Command as well, Washington is ready with a slew of proposals for Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee as he begins his US trip tonight. Although a careful Mukherjee has called the visit ‘‘exploratory,’’ these proposals are expected to be discussed when he meets US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld at the Pentagon on Tuesday.
Sources said that Washington will offer to train Indian naval pilots in strategic aircraft-carrier operations. The proposal to have an Indian officer at the Hawaii-based Pacific Command is meant for improved coordination in the Indian Ocean.
Although Mukherjee and his Defence Secretary are studying the proposals, the Indian diplomatic establishment has already done its homework with a visit to the Pacific Command. That the US wants to upgrade the military relationship with India is clear from the fact that only Japan, South Korea and Australia have liaison officers based at the Hawaii command.
Incidentally, the NDA, too, led by its External Affairs Minister Jaswant Singh had discussed the idea of an Indian presence in this command with Washington.
The aircraft-carrier pilot training will be done at the Naval Air Training Command at Pensacola in Florida. This school was established in 1914 and has given over 100,000 ‘‘wings of gold’’ to naval pilots using 16 squadrons for training aircraft. It offers year-long training in naval helicopter, propeller or multi-engine and strike warfare operations.
Though the Indian Navy trains its carrier pilots at INS Hansa at Goa and on-board its sole aircraft carrier Viraat, it needs help to train pilots using ‘‘catapult’’ operations. This is because Navy will be shifting from vertical take-off and landing aircraft Sea Harrier, deployed on Viraat, to MiG-29 K that will use a steam powered catapult on-board Admiral Gorshkov or INS Vikramaditya. The new aircraft carrier is likely to join the Navy in 2007. Sources said that Washington will offer to train Indian naval pilots in strategic aircraft-carrier operations. The proposal to have an Indian officer at the Hawaii-based Pacific Command is meant for improved coordination in the Indian Ocean.
Although Mukherjee and his Defence Secretary are studying the proposals, the Indian diplomatic establishment has already done its homework with a visit to the Pacific Command. That the US wants to upgrade the military relationship with India is clear from the fact that only Japan, South Korea and Australia have liaison officers based at the Hawaii command.
Incidentally, the NDA, too, led by its External Affairs Minister Jaswant Singh had discussed the idea of an Indian presence in this command with Washington.
The aircraft-carrier pilot training will be done at the Naval Air Training Command at Pensacola in Florida. This school was established in 1914 and has given over 100,000 ‘‘wings of gold’’ to naval pilots using 16 squadrons for training aircraft. It offers year-long training in naval helicopter, propeller or multi-engine and strike warfare operations.
Though the Indian Navy trains its carrier pilots at INS Hansa at Goa and on-board its sole aircraft carrier Viraat, it needs help to train pilots using ‘‘catapult’’ operations. This is because Navy will be shifting from vertical take-off and landing aircraft Sea Harrier, deployed on Viraat, to MiG-29 K that will use a steam powered catapult on-board Admiral Gorshkov or INS Vikramaditya. The new aircraft carrier is likely to join the Navy in 2007. Sources said that Washington will offer to train Indian naval pilots in strategic aircraft-carrier operations. The proposal to have an Indian officer at the Hawaii-based Pacific Command is meant for improved coordination in the Indian Ocean.
Although Mukherjee and his Defence Secretary are studying the proposals, the Indian diplomatic establishment has already done its homework with a visit to the Pacific Command. That the US wants to upgrade the military relationship with India is clear from the fact that only Japan, South Korea and Australia have liaison officers based at the Hawaii command.
Incidentally, the NDA, too, led by its External Affairs Minister Jaswant Singh had discussed the idea of an Indian presence in this command with Washington.
The aircraft-carrier pilot training will be done at the Naval Air Training Command at Pensacola in Florida. This school was established in 1914 and has given over 100,000 ‘‘wings of gold’’ to naval pilots using 16 squadrons for training aircraft. It offers year-long training in naval helicopter, propeller or multi-engine and strike warfare operations.
Though the Indian Navy trains its carrier pilots at INS Hansa at Goa and on-board its sole aircraft carrier Viraat, it needs help to train pilots using ‘‘catapult’’ operations. This is because Navy will be shifting from vertical take-off and landing aircraft Sea Harrier, deployed on Viraat, to MiG-29 K that will use a steam powered catapult on-board Admiral Gorshkov or INS Vikramaditya. The new aircraft carrier is likely to join the Navy in 2007. http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=73343
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aaaditya said:
- The US and France are the only nations able to do conventional launches
- The US is the only country able to run large launches
- The US licences their launch technology to France
- One assumes that on the basis of capability that the launch technology is possibly American (even if its been onsold by France it would still require US Govt permission, as their license was only permitted for the Charles de Gaulle
- Placing officers from one country on another nations vessel helps with a number of things, training, understanding, operational familiarity, bonding, trust. Eg US/UK/Aust/NZ/France regularly run exchanges. For Aust/US it's typically a 3 year exchange. It's a bit of an internal "competition" in the USN to get a posting to Aust and serve in the subs (especially the AWO's)
well mig29 k will be formidable system.
NEWShttp://www.migavia.ru/img/m.gifPRESS RELEASEShttp://www.migavia.ru/img/bl.gif MiG Corp. started series production of MiG-29K/KUB for Indian Navy
MiG Corp. started series production of MiG-29K/KUB for Indian Navy Moscow, February 3, 2005 – MiG Russian Aircraft Corporation has finalized, in general, organisation of cooperation and started series production of MiG-29K ship-borne multirole fighter aircraft for Indian Navy. Within the frames of the organized manufacturing cooperation contracts have been signed with the main Russian and foreign sub-contractors, including suppliers of engines, radar, avionics, gear etc. among Russian enterprises are: - “Ramenskoye Instrument-building Design Bureau†– system integrator for onboard equipment and developer of a number of avionics components; - “Fazotron-NIIR Corporation†– developer and manufacturer of “Zhuk-ME†radar; - Moscow-based Chernyshev machine-building plant – manufacturer of RD-33MK engine; - Klimov plant – developer of RD-33MK engine.
The contract for delivery of MiG-29K ship-borne multirole fighter aircraft for Indian Navy was signed on January 20, 2004, and provides delivery of 12 single-seater MiG-29K and 4 twin-seater MiG-29KUB, as well as training of pilots and technical personnel, delivery of simulators, spare parts, organization of aircraft maintenance on customer’s facilities.
Aircraft delivery will start in 2007 to be finished in 2009. the contract also provides an option for another 30 aircraft with delivery till 2015. Work on the contract is being conducted in full compliance with the schedule. Series production of the aircraft has been started, their configuration fully meets customer requirements. 8 MiG-29 of various modifications are involved in MiG-29K test program. In 2002 to 2005 they have performed around 600 flights.
MiG-29K is a ship-borne multirole fighter aircraft, intended to provide air defence for aircraft carrier groups, gain air superiority, destroy sea and land surface targets with precision guided weapons at day and night in any weather conditions. Till 1992 MiG-29K had been developed ad tested for Russian Navy. After 450 flights (including 80 landings on board the carrier) Russian Ministry of Defence issued an aprovement for aircraft series production. But in difficult 1990-s state financing of MiG-29K program was frozen. In 1999 MiG Corp. restarted the program and significantly improved MiG-29K with its adaptation to modern requirements providing its concurrence ability on world markets.
As a multirole fighter MiG-29K is capable to destroy different aerial, ground and naval targets using wide range of precision weapons. MiG-29K combat payload makes 5500 kg, number of hardpoints – 13 (including the ones on multi-lock bomb carriers). Range of weapons includes "air-to-air" missiles - R-73E and RVV-AE, "air-to-ground" missiles - Kh-31P, Kh-31A, Kh-35E, rockets, bombs (including guided KAB-500Kr and KAB-500-OD) and built-in 30-mm autocannon. MiG-29K airframe exterior is slightly different from MiG-29.
Additional fuel tanks are situated in dorsal spine fairing and wing LERXs, increasing total fuel capacity by 50% comparing to first variant of MiG-29. Considerable increase of flight range is also gained due to increased capacity of drop fuel tanks and in-flight refueling capability (with the possibility to refuel from the aircraft of the same type). Due to special coatings Mig-29K radar reflecting surface is 4-5 times smaller than of basic MiG-29.
The aircraft has modern 4-channel digital “fly-by-wire†flight control system. MiG-29K/KUB flight and navigation system is built on an open architecture principle around MIL-STD-1553B standard Databus. “Ramenskoye Instrument-building Design Bureau†(RPKB) is the system integrator for onboard equipment. According to the customer’s demand MiG-29K/KUB on-board equipment is international. The main part of it is of Russian origin, including on-board computer, radar, IRST sensor and laser ranger, passive anti-radar missiles homing system. RPKB also manufactures cockpit indication systems, including wide HUD and 3 (7 on MiG-29KUB) colour LCD MFDs.
France provides inertial navigation system with Sigma-95 satellite GPS module and Topsight helmet-mounted targeting system. Indian companies supply some radio communication equipment for MiG-29K. Israel provides ECM system. Almost all avionics components of both Russian and foreign origin have already been tested and are serially manufactured. This is fully true for the main on-board equipment component – “Zhuk-ME†multirole radar.
It has passed all ground and flight tests, which proved all stated technical characteristics. “Zhuk-ME†is serially manufactured by “Fazotron-NIIR†Corporation and exported abroad. It differs from N-019E radar of basic MiG-29 by 1.5 times increased range of aerial targets detection, ability to fire missiles at 4 targets simultaneously and by presence of several new modes, including “air-to-groundâ€. MiG-29K/KUB is equipped with new RD-33MK engines.
Its afterburner thrust is increased to 9000 kgs comparing to 8300 kgs on RD-33. RD-33MK has total service life 4000 hours, comparing to 2000 hours of RD-33. in 2005 Moscow-based Chernyshev plant will start series production of RD-33MK engines. MiG-29K and MiG-29KUB are members of unified family of aircraft, which also includes MiG-29M and MiG-29M2 multirole fighters.
MiG Corp. together with “Rosoboronexportâ€, has supplied its proposals on MiG-29M and MiG-29M2 to participate in the coming tender of the Indian Air Force to purchase 126 fighters. MiG Corp is Russian largest aircraft manufacturing corporation, which unites enterprises providing all elements of aircraft life cycle – from developing concept, designing aircraft, manufacturing test aircraft and testing them to their marketing, serial production and technical support during exploitation. MiG Corp. has modern design and testing base (grouped around Mikoyan Design Bureau Engineering Center), well equipped manufacturing facilities in Moscow, Lukhovitsy and Kaliasin, effective financial and marketing structures, and developed global system of technical support. More than 15 thousand qualified people work at MiG Corp.
http://www.migavia.ru/eng/news/?page=1&tid=4&id=18
NEWShttp://www.migavia.ru/img/m.gifPRESS RELEASEShttp://www.migavia.ru/img/bl.gif MiG Corp. started series production of MiG-29K/KUB for Indian Navy
MiG Corp. started series production of MiG-29K/KUB for Indian Navy Moscow, February 3, 2005 – MiG Russian Aircraft Corporation has finalized, in general, organisation of cooperation and started series production of MiG-29K ship-borne multirole fighter aircraft for Indian Navy. Within the frames of the organized manufacturing cooperation contracts have been signed with the main Russian and foreign sub-contractors, including suppliers of engines, radar, avionics, gear etc. among Russian enterprises are: - “Ramenskoye Instrument-building Design Bureau†– system integrator for onboard equipment and developer of a number of avionics components; - “Fazotron-NIIR Corporation†– developer and manufacturer of “Zhuk-ME†radar; - Moscow-based Chernyshev machine-building plant – manufacturer of RD-33MK engine; - Klimov plant – developer of RD-33MK engine.
The contract for delivery of MiG-29K ship-borne multirole fighter aircraft for Indian Navy was signed on January 20, 2004, and provides delivery of 12 single-seater MiG-29K and 4 twin-seater MiG-29KUB, as well as training of pilots and technical personnel, delivery of simulators, spare parts, organization of aircraft maintenance on customer’s facilities.
Aircraft delivery will start in 2007 to be finished in 2009. the contract also provides an option for another 30 aircraft with delivery till 2015. Work on the contract is being conducted in full compliance with the schedule. Series production of the aircraft has been started, their configuration fully meets customer requirements. 8 MiG-29 of various modifications are involved in MiG-29K test program. In 2002 to 2005 they have performed around 600 flights.
MiG-29K is a ship-borne multirole fighter aircraft, intended to provide air defence for aircraft carrier groups, gain air superiority, destroy sea and land surface targets with precision guided weapons at day and night in any weather conditions. Till 1992 MiG-29K had been developed ad tested for Russian Navy. After 450 flights (including 80 landings on board the carrier) Russian Ministry of Defence issued an aprovement for aircraft series production. But in difficult 1990-s state financing of MiG-29K program was frozen. In 1999 MiG Corp. restarted the program and significantly improved MiG-29K with its adaptation to modern requirements providing its concurrence ability on world markets.
As a multirole fighter MiG-29K is capable to destroy different aerial, ground and naval targets using wide range of precision weapons. MiG-29K combat payload makes 5500 kg, number of hardpoints – 13 (including the ones on multi-lock bomb carriers). Range of weapons includes "air-to-air" missiles - R-73E and RVV-AE, "air-to-ground" missiles - Kh-31P, Kh-31A, Kh-35E, rockets, bombs (including guided KAB-500Kr and KAB-500-OD) and built-in 30-mm autocannon. MiG-29K airframe exterior is slightly different from MiG-29.
Additional fuel tanks are situated in dorsal spine fairing and wing LERXs, increasing total fuel capacity by 50% comparing to first variant of MiG-29. Considerable increase of flight range is also gained due to increased capacity of drop fuel tanks and in-flight refueling capability (with the possibility to refuel from the aircraft of the same type). Due to special coatings Mig-29K radar reflecting surface is 4-5 times smaller than of basic MiG-29.
The aircraft has modern 4-channel digital “fly-by-wire†flight control system. MiG-29K/KUB flight and navigation system is built on an open architecture principle around MIL-STD-1553B standard Databus. “Ramenskoye Instrument-building Design Bureau†(RPKB) is the system integrator for onboard equipment. According to the customer’s demand MiG-29K/KUB on-board equipment is international. The main part of it is of Russian origin, including on-board computer, radar, IRST sensor and laser ranger, passive anti-radar missiles homing system. RPKB also manufactures cockpit indication systems, including wide HUD and 3 (7 on MiG-29KUB) colour LCD MFDs.
France provides inertial navigation system with Sigma-95 satellite GPS module and Topsight helmet-mounted targeting system. Indian companies supply some radio communication equipment for MiG-29K. Israel provides ECM system. Almost all avionics components of both Russian and foreign origin have already been tested and are serially manufactured. This is fully true for the main on-board equipment component – “Zhuk-ME†multirole radar.
It has passed all ground and flight tests, which proved all stated technical characteristics. “Zhuk-ME†is serially manufactured by “Fazotron-NIIR†Corporation and exported abroad. It differs from N-019E radar of basic MiG-29 by 1.5 times increased range of aerial targets detection, ability to fire missiles at 4 targets simultaneously and by presence of several new modes, including “air-to-groundâ€. MiG-29K/KUB is equipped with new RD-33MK engines.
Its afterburner thrust is increased to 9000 kgs comparing to 8300 kgs on RD-33. RD-33MK has total service life 4000 hours, comparing to 2000 hours of RD-33. in 2005 Moscow-based Chernyshev plant will start series production of RD-33MK engines. MiG-29K and MiG-29KUB are members of unified family of aircraft, which also includes MiG-29M and MiG-29M2 multirole fighters.
MiG Corp. together with “Rosoboronexportâ€, has supplied its proposals on MiG-29M and MiG-29M2 to participate in the coming tender of the Indian Air Force to purchase 126 fighters. MiG Corp is Russian largest aircraft manufacturing corporation, which unites enterprises providing all elements of aircraft life cycle – from developing concept, designing aircraft, manufacturing test aircraft and testing them to their marketing, serial production and technical support during exploitation. MiG Corp. has modern design and testing base (grouped around Mikoyan Design Bureau Engineering Center), well equipped manufacturing facilities in Moscow, Lukhovitsy and Kaliasin, effective financial and marketing structures, and developed global system of technical support. More than 15 thousand qualified people work at MiG Corp.
http://www.migavia.ru/eng/news/?page=1&tid=4&id=18
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A number of indian developed warships appear to have an interesting mix of sensors from Western and Russian sources. Will this be the case on the new ADS.
It must be a systems intergation nightmare unless each system is run in a stand alone configuration. I guess the same goes for the ability of recon assests (patrol aircraft particulary) to exchange data with these vessels.
It must be a systems intergation nightmare unless each system is run in a stand alone configuration. I guess the same goes for the ability of recon assests (patrol aircraft particulary) to exchange data with these vessels.
I agree, as soon as you start to marry disparate systems then you invite more points of failure purely at the interface level - let alone at a holistic integration and interaction level. It can obviously be done, but it's just another layer of risk management that can go to custard when things get busy.alexsa said:
berry580 said:Well for a start, would Chinese and Pakistani's 'indigenous' tanks turn out to be more expensive than imported tanks?
Umm...certainly the reversed engineered wouldn't. Add ons would be cheaper still. And yes, there are some Destroyers / Frigates (I think 'Delhi' class, which I heard were world class when they came a viaiting New York.
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how big is it???
How big is what? Sorry for my personal (and recent membership) opinion this is getting beyond a joke. Jason at least specify the issue, research it, and then come up with some credible suggestions.
I expect to be (and have been) howled down for some comments (nobody knows everything) but at least you need to have some basis for making them. You appear to have splattered almost every naval iscussion forum with with pretty off the cuff comments.
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Jason, you're really stretching the patience of some of the Mods (incl myself).Jason_kiwi said:
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We welcome posts and input, but we draw the line quite briskly on things that look like "post whoring".
You need to make some effort or you run the risk of having posts nuked. We expect this of everyone. You have been on here long enough to have seen what passes as acceptable standards of posting.
I have a doubt,
Why did the Navy selected MiG-29K as their Carrier Borne Fighter??.
Everyone knows how was MiG-29 Maintainence,Engine,readiness in Indian Air force.
But why did Navy still selected the fighter.
When original version did perform that well then what is the guarantee that Latest versions will perform well.
As for Rafale,execpt cost nearly everything else in fighter is better than MiG-29.
Another doubt,Can Rafale take off with out catapults??
If no then can it be modified to have that capability.
Why did the Navy selected MiG-29K as their Carrier Borne Fighter??.
Everyone knows how was MiG-29 Maintainence,Engine,readiness in Indian Air force.
But why did Navy still selected the fighter.
When original version did perform that well then what is the guarantee that Latest versions will perform well.
As for Rafale,execpt cost nearly everything else in fighter is better than MiG-29.
Another doubt,Can Rafale take off with out catapults??
If no then can it be modified to have that capability.
Rafale is launched via catapult. The French use a license built version of US catapult technology on the Charles de Gaulle.ajay_ijn said: