Gripen E/F
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Ozzy Blizzard
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Why??? You have to develope the module upgrade first!
Look, Erikson have a fraction of the funds, a fraction of the people, a fraction of the know how nad a fraction of the real experiance, pluss they are 3 generations behind in radar tech. There's no way in hell they're going to develope a radar as capable as the AN/APG 81 will be in 2018 (it will have gone through several software upgrades by then, F-22A has allready had 3, and software is the real teeth of an AESA), and grippen NG will not have several systems that F-35 will have. So even if all the other stuff like the combat management system is comperable to the F-35's (which again i doubt) inferior AESA + missing avionic systems such as EOTS and DAS = inferior avionics "at all times and overall".
I have no doubt the sweeds will make a capable fighter. I was very impressed with the combination of Erieye/Gripen/AIM-120 combination and the fact that it was first implemented by a nation the size of Sweeden. However, your claiming comparing Gripen NG, which was allways designed with cost and maintinance constraints in mind, with arguably the most advanced and sophistocated fighter on the planet. Considering the people who are makeing it and the money behind it, there no shame in haveing inferior anything to the F-35, as much as your nationalistic investment in the platform may not allow you to see that.
Aussi Digger, i´ve never said Gripen or EF was superior,
but talking about the avionics, ehm i don´t know everything the planes have, neither do you, and to. so we can still assume, all the fancy gadgets that F-35 got, might not be important for Gripen or /EF, but who know they might give F-35 a fair fight anyway, we relly don´t know yet.
the claim about more funds and more ppl, ehm i can agree with you to a certain point, but not all the way,
just look at cars, do you think Volvo are inferior to Ford?
don´t think you do.
but until they meet eachother in let say Red Flag, i do believe F-35 is superior, but tactics/senario/pilots/supportsystem and so on, alot of things that can turn it around,
and i still believe that f-35 would have big time trouble if they wanted to let say try go get airsupiority over Sweden.
or over England, without any help of F-22
in your world, it would be a waste of money to buy anything els except F-35 because it wouldn´t stand a chance, i believe history have shown us wrong many times.
but talking about the avionics, ehm i don´t know everything the planes have, neither do you, and to. so we can still assume, all the fancy gadgets that F-35 got, might not be important for Gripen or /EF, but who know they might give F-35 a fair fight anyway, we relly don´t know yet.
the claim about more funds and more ppl, ehm i can agree with you to a certain point, but not all the way,
just look at cars, do you think Volvo are inferior to Ford?
don´t think you do.
but until they meet eachother in let say Red Flag, i do believe F-35 is superior, but tactics/senario/pilots/supportsystem and so on, alot of things that can turn it around,
and i still believe that f-35 would have big time trouble if they wanted to let say try go get airsupiority over Sweden.
or over England, without any help of F-22
in your world, it would be a waste of money to buy anything els except F-35 because it wouldn´t stand a chance, i believe history have shown us wrong many times.
Futile attempt, zeven... You won't get Ozzy anywhere near stating European stuff might be as good as American stuff. The best concession you'll get is "I don't believe it" 
Although the Europeans developed radar technology much earlier, although European companies have developed and fielded AESA radars for decades and are well aware of the algorithms, although there are excellent engineers and computer scientists around, we'll never achieve anything.
As if scientific research was some kind of brute force attack.
Although the Europeans developed radar technology much earlier, although European companies have developed and fielded AESA radars for decades and are well aware of the algorithms, although there are excellent engineers and computer scientists around, we'll never achieve anything.
As if scientific research was some kind of brute force attack.
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Aussie Digger
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There are a number of systems we DO know about.
Gripen uses the Litening targetting pod at present (Litening II model I believe). Whilst the F-35 will use an internally mounted version of the Sniper XR targetting pod. The Litening II pod is inferior in capability to the Sniper XR targetting pod at present, which is why the Litening AT was developed and the Litening 4G is under development. The F-35 however will feature a development of the Sniper XR, building on it's features. Gripen International have yet to qualify even the AT variant at present, I believe...
Yes, but the US has the luxury of multiple companies, designing and manufacturing current AESA radar systems, which are ackowledged as the finest current fighter radars in the world. They are also working on the next generation of radar systems, the APG-81 and evolved APG-77 sets being the most obvious of this.
The US has an enormous headstart having already fielded operational APG-63 (V2/3) AESA, APG-80 (AESA), APG-79 AESA and APG-77 AESA in tactical fighters. Neither SAAB, Eurofighter Consortium or Dassault have even managed to field their first fighter AESA fire control radar systems...
APG-81 will be a next generation variant and fielded at the same time the Euro-canards are fielding their first...
Cars are established technology. Volvo is not attempting to build their first ever car and then compare it with Ford's advanced next generation vehicle...
You are quite right. Circumstances are rarely ever "fair" and they aren't in Red Flag either. No aircraft user is going to allow 2 fighter aircraft to go "head to head" and employ their entire capability against another aircraft just to discover which is "better" when you are discussing foreign airforces.
The Indian's deploying their SU-30MKI's to Red Flag have even forbidden their pilots to even USE their radar systems... Yet fanboys everywhere will be decrying to the heavens how "superior" they are...
Don't bother believing the sky is blue either. It'd make just as much sense...
No. Perhaps you should try to understand these posts somewhat. Let them sink in a bit. No-one here has said the Gripen is a bad fighter. You have often said the F-35 IS, or will be and you refuse to accept the reality of the situation. The Gripen is simply outclassed in the majority of aspects by the F-35. It IS a newer aircraft so why is that so surprising? The Gripen is superior to the Viggen in most areas too. Does that upset you?
You base these ludicrous accusations on the premise it is a "bombtruck" yet ignore the question, or are incapable of answering, what these missing qualities are that would make it an air to air fighter...
It is a multi-role fighter. Just like the Gripen. Just like the F/A-18. Just like the Eurofighter, Rafale, F-16, Su-30, SU-35, whatever.
Not one of these aircraft are designed for one specific role. The sooner you realise this the more productive our discussions will be.