Selex is partly the former Marconi, but also the former FIAR. Selex is a subsidiary of Finmeccanica. The division working with Saab is Selex SI, in Italy, & the two radar divisions seem to have remained rather separate - though being part of the same company obviously counts for something, e.g. a Selex mini-AESA surface search radar developed in the UK being integrated onto Italian UAVs.
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Scorpion82
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That's the way I understood it. The Raytheon array was quicker available and initial tests start on the ground before first flight tests are conducted.
*keeping this thread alive*
NORA isn't just going to be a radar as the name is short for Not Only a RAdar. It's meant to become a complete EW-suit including alot of cool stuff.
http://www.airforce-technology.com/contractors/surveillance/saab2/
There isn't much information on NORA around.
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Scorpion82
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The NORA is not a complete EWS. The term Nor Only a Radar applies to new capabilities of the AESA system. This includes EW and jamming, as well as DL capabilities. NORA will be a part of the entirely new MIDAS (Multifunction Defensive Avionics System), but its not the EWS itself. MIDAS is planned for 2013, but I don't know if this schedule can be hold. MIDAS will also use new AESA devices distributed around the airframe instead of current RWR and ECM equipment.*keeping this thread alive*
NORA isn't just going to be a radar as the name is short for Not Only a RAdar. It's meant to become a complete EW-suit including alot of cool stuff.
http://www.airforce-technology.com/contractors/surveillance/saab2/
There isn't much information on NORA around.
Well...according to http://www.gripen.com/en/index.htm will the occurence off "Gripen Demo Roll out" Taking place in Linköping 23:rd of April.
Road-map for AESA-radar
Ozzy Blizzard, zeven and other - since i think discussion in "Gripen - Red Flag"-thread went to much "off topic" - about AESA-radar etc, I think its better to go further here instead.
http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gripenradarroadmapka1.jpg
I have no idea, but some info have i found.
Ozzy Blizzard, zeven and other - since i think discussion in "Gripen - Red Flag"-thread went to much "off topic" - about AESA-radar etc, I think its better to go further here instead.
I think this is "old news" - the document are few year old. The reliability of the source are uncertain" :roll:Ozzy Blizzard said:
http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gripenradarroadmapka1.jpg
This is a presentation by the Gripen MD at Farnborough 2006, now on the Gripen website -
Gripen presentation
As you see, AESA is mentioned as part of the NG - but no timetable.
swerve: This presentation are a somewhat more extended version of the presentation you provided. It dosnt "say" more about AESA - but more details about Gripen "all around"
Ozzy Blizzard
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I wasnt just refering to a document, i've had this argument before.
http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7135&page=5
Refer to post #74.
I didnt thougt you was refering to a document.
I just show the "roadmap".
You mean this:
And you know which model or kind of processor and software that will be used in gripen?...I dont have a slitest idea really. I don´t make any clames.
I show the document and thinking about the last 3-4 paragraphs at the page - when diffrent "functions" (in NORA) are expected to be implemented. Not more. Not degree of sofistication etc.
But I' m aware about moore´s law.
I just show the "roadmap".
You mean this:
And you know which model or kind of processor and software that will be used in gripen?...I dont have a slitest idea really. I don´t make any clames.
I show the document and thinking about the last 3-4 paragraphs at the page - when diffrent "functions" (in NORA) are expected to be implemented. Not more. Not degree of sofistication etc.
But I' m aware about moore´s law.
Ozzy Blizzard
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I dont know what proscessor the NORA will use, but i doubt it will be more capable than the one being utilize in the APG 81 at the time of its intoduction. pluss there's the real issue of the software.
ozzy Blizzard
so when will APG 81, be operational?
Nora will be sometime between (2010-2015 ) but the final product will be operational around 2018-2020. if i´m not misstaken, i´ve hard to believe APG 81 will be far superior then, 10 years of further development.
ps. ok true, APG 81 might have an advantage for a couple of years if the plane will be operational around 2010-2013.. but F-35 are supposed to operatate by foreign airforces around 2016 right??
so when will APG 81, be operational?
Nora will be sometime between (2010-2015 ) but the final product will be operational around 2018-2020. if i´m not misstaken, i´ve hard to believe APG 81 will be far superior then, 10 years of further development.
ps. ok true, APG 81 might have an advantage for a couple of years if the plane will be operational around 2010-2013.. but F-35 are supposed to operatate by foreign airforces around 2016 right??
Ozzy Blizzard
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AN/APG 81 should be operational when F-35 is, arround 2013 i think. Raytheon is into its 3rd generation of fighter ESA's, how many have erikson made again? The US are 3 genrations ahead of most of the world (2 gens ahead of the russians and french) and they have the biggest AESA R&D budget in the world, but the sweeds will leapfrog them with what % of the money and what % of the knwo how??? They have to do a hell of alot of R&D work before they get themselves an APG 79/77/81, even if they can put an active array on the front of a gripen and keep it cool.
Some AESA's are more equal than others. The original AN/AWG-9 was a hell of alot less capable than the AN/APG-71, even though they are both plannar mechanically scanned array's.
i think the swedes have managed to make excellent radar equipment and other technology parts, for the same cost as Lockheed martins cocktailparty´s so i wouldn´t be suprised if Ericsson will do it agian, and they did the erieye didn´t they?? the only reason americans got the advatage is because of the money. and sweden has never been to inferior in the past, the dobbler ericsson radar that is operational today, is one of the best of that kind.
so let us just wait and see, when it´s operational.
if you look at the stealth technology, the swedes make their test run with their stealth corvettes Visby when the americans still was on the paper/plan stage.
you assume to much, that might backfire someday..
ps.
but i know usa, are in the fron here, just look at F-22.
what i´m trying to say is. when the swedes are done, it will be very good, they will not integrade a second hand version.
so let us just wait and see, when it´s operational.
if you look at the stealth technology, the swedes make their test run with their stealth corvettes Visby when the americans still was on the paper/plan stage.
you assume to much, that might backfire someday..
ps.
but i know usa, are in the fron here, just look at F-22.
what i´m trying to say is. when the swedes are done, it will be very good, they will not integrade a second hand version.
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By the way, when it comes to avionics - its really fascinating how fast everything change. When I was an electronic engineer student, our class were invited to one of Saabs "manufacturing plants". It must have been somewhere between 1998 and 1999. A guide showed us few "Electronic boxes" and said: Here are a newdeveloped modul that "taking over" the job from three boxes of the same size. (Something like 22 x 22 x 10 cm). This is of course not uniqe for "Gripen". But it is really fascinating to see the tecnological development in such concrete way. Diffrence in age between the systems was behaps something like 5-6 years.
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Modular upgrades have been available in combat planes for the last 6-7 years. It takes literally less than 2 minutes to swap out the module.