F-35 Program - General Discussion

[oldsig127]

And so the News Limited campaign of disinformation and utter nonsense continues.

Either that, or they've let a "journalist" loose on a subject of which they hae no knowledge whatsoever, to cobble together some clickbait and editors neglected to do the most rudimentary fact checks.

The Australian has a track record for this. If you want to know what's happening in Australian Defence - look elsewhere.

oldsig

Australia’s new fighter jets cost us billions, but the deal is a ‘dud’

 

[SpazSinbad]

This quote from the Oz is just UNFORGIVABLE : "...Considering each F-35 jet costs more than $140 million, this is one of the most expensive global weapons collaborations Australia has ever committed to...." SAD just SAD that this CLOWN does not know the last batch of LRIP F-35As were 88 million US dollars which at current conversion rates is 124 million Australian and the price is coming down and has been coming down for each LRIP then mooted to be at 80 million US dollars by 2020 and Full Rate Production FRP. Whilst the good doctor needs some recalibration methinks.

"...University of NSW defence technology expert [NOT PRIVY TO DEFENCE KNOWLEDGE ONE IMAGINES] Jai Galliott said the jets were fast becoming outdated due to the delays. “By the time we have fully operational fleets of these aircraft, their skills will be significantly less than what might have been the case back when we signed the deal,” Dr Galliott said. While he acknowledged the F-35’s stealth was “excellent”, Dr Galliott said technological sacrifices were made to achieve that unnecessary feature in the process...." [Forgetting that this aircraft is being updated and will be updated with both software and hardware over the 50 year lifespan, having been designed to do so.]

 

[Redlands18]

This quote from the Oz is just UNFORGIVABLE : "...Considering each F-35 jet costs more than $140 million, this is one of the most expensive global weapons collaborations Australia has ever committed to...." SAD just SAD that this CLOWN does not know the last batch of LRIP F-35As were 88 million US dollars which at current conversion rates is 124 million Australian and the price is coming down and has been coming down for each LRIP then mooted to be at 80 million US dollars by 2020 and Full Rate Production FRP. Whilst the good doctor needs some recalibration methinks.

The early F-35, Collins and Tiger problems, worn out 2nd hand Abrams all sell Newspapers. The F-35, Collins & Tiger problems fixed and running on track and the fact that the Abrams were actually re-lifed before sale doesn't sell Newspapers. Stopped reading them years ago.

 

[oldsig127]

Whilst the good doctor needs some recalibration methinks.

The good Doctor is a sociologist and ethicist in the Philosophy Department

His work is concerned with how technological innovations in the defence and security space have enabled a shift away from industrialised warfare, toward a new form of individualised distance conflict that, while offering important benefits, challenges existing concepts, doctrines, risk frameworks and military/non-military actors themselves in ways that are not always obvious from the study of single technologies. He is particularly interested in examining the origins of these challenges in the remnant tensions between the moral, legal, political, technical and strategic needs of the relevant stakeholders, as well as reconciling some of these tensions by devising and deploying an analytical frameworks grounded in applied-social sciences to inform public debate on emerging military technologies and, innovatively, offer value-sensitive guidance to civilian and military policy-makers and technical designers.

Dr Jai Galliott | UNSW Canberra

I think it's fair to say that the "journalist" is using him in the same way you'd take advice from a plumber before brain surgery.

oldsig

 

[oldsig127]

Either that, or they've let a "journalist" loose on a subject of which they hae no knowledge whatsoever, to cobble together some clickbait and editors neglected to do the most rudimentary fact checks.

Quoting myself, and therefore not likely to misunderstand some other poor bugger.

Since read the online nonsense I've had the opportunity to see the Weekend Austraian *paper* newspaper, which has a Defence section. Inside, comment on the F-35 is generally positive and at worse neutral. To me, that suggests that the online article is in fact clickbait bullshit designed to get people riled up and add to the number of clicks they count and bill to their advertisers.

oldsig, fed up with being taken for a fool by "journalists" not worthy of that honourable description

 

[south]

Quite frankly it’s a rubbish article that does nothing for the credibility of any organisation that chooses to publish it.

 

[DaveS124]

That article was not run in The Australian.

It was posted on the news.com site, where they park ZZZ-grade journos and their rubbish, and rubbish that article is, indeed.

I'm, taken with this line "It is 77 times more expensive than the new Royal Adelaide Hospital, which opened last month."

So, Adelaide needs 77 more full spectrum general hospitals? I didn't know that.

 

[protoplasm]

Pity the image was of the old RAH site rather than the new one. Completely rubbish journalism.

 

[oldsig127]

That article was not run in The Australian.

It was posted on the news.com site, where they park ZZZ-grade journos and their rubbish, and rubbish that article is, indeed.

Indeed. I posted to that effect after reading the Oz a couple of hours later. (post 1265)

It's true though that the news.com.au portal to their publications is a joke and apparently mostly concerned with "shocks on the block" rants, "weird happenings" and which bachelor will expose himsef on Bachelorette. Ergo, not the place for defence articles

oldsig

 

[SpazSinbad]

YAY! How GREEN is my GLOW has been FIXED! An example of a GLARING ERROR BUTT: ['RAY' needs to REFOCUS on Knowledge of what he speaketh]

"...As for Air Force and Marine Corps pilots, the green glow problem has not been as big an issue because they don’t fly in the same blackout conditions.… [So USMC F-35B/C pilots are not night flying at sea? RITE] Navy’s F-35 Helmet Problem Fixed With TV Technology 31 Oct 2018

 

[t68]

I noticed in the photo section with the JSF that both A & B are being called Panther, what’s the go is that the new nic for JSF?

I remember some time ago that they were being called Dave, what’s is the JSF unofficial name now?

 

[SpazSinbad]

Don't know about the B however the A is being referred to by the nickname PANTHER by some USAF NELLIS AFB test dudes - they even have a patch (to follow)….

 

[Boagrius]

More footage of the poor old F35's clearly inadequate aerodynamic characteristics...

 

[steve33]

More footage of the poor old F35's clearly inadequate aerodynamic characteristics...

pierre sprey will need counselling after he watches the video. LOL

i think the F-35 will turn out to be a very good aircraft pilots will work out how to get the best from it and it will be lethal.

 

[Millennium7]

More footage of the poor old F35's clearly inadequate aerodynamic characteristics...

Interesting ... they are practicing low level flying ... I though that the brilliant STEALTH technology included in the platform had made this an obsolete tactic, a relic of the past....

 

[Millennium7]

Some other interesting F-35 footage.

Mod Edit: Embedded link promoting a YouTube channel deleted.
-Preceptor​

 

[oldsig127]

Interesting ... they are practicing low level flying ... I though that the brilliant STEALTH technology included in the platform had made this an obsolete tactic, a relic of the past....

It may be a thing of the past. Once they stop landing the aircraft on the ground.

oldsig

 

[MickB]

Interesting ... they are practicing low level flying ... I though that the brilliant STEALTH technology included in the platform had made this an obsolete tactic, a relic of the past....

Think week two of the air war, after the first week of using stealth to decimate the enemy defences.
Then you can make use of that additional external weapons space.
Stealth will be reduced but still lower RCS than legacy aircraft.
Only a fool doesn't use every advantage (including terrain masking) in war.

 

[hairyman]

I see on the ABC News site that Japan is going to alter their two Izuma class helicopter carriers to aircraft carriers. Each will carry ten F35B aircraft. From memory, the Izuma class are 27'000 tons, roughly the same size as Canberra and Adelaide.

 

[aussienscale]

I see on the ABC News site that Japan is going to alter their two Izuma class helicopter carriers to aircraft carriers. Each will carry ten F35B aircraft. From memory, the Izuma class are 27'000 tons, roughly the same size as Canberra and Adelaide.

So ? and your point ? My Mitsubishi Triton is the same length as Victor Bray's Top Door Slammer, geez we are close in a drag race !!

Seriously get a grip guys !! We are getting so far out of reality that the integrity of this forum is in serious decline