F-16's done, What should PAF's next acquisition be?
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Rafale is still on the list, I asked after reading this news...dont no if there has been any move towards it. But as I said before, amongst all the other AirCrafts on the list, Mirage2000-9 seems to have become most favored.srirangan said:
France offered Mirage2000,5,9(choice between 2k,2k5 &2k9) & N. "N" version is nuke strike capable. Since its being offered in different varients, Mirages seem to be prefered most.
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I think Mirage2k9 will bought. The code of PAF & UAE is almost the same. What passes for one passes for other (modern UAE Air Force was established with the Help of PAF, hence both had similar tech demand). Since UAE is opperating on F-16s & Mirage2000-9, I believe both woll suit PAF as well.
Past experiance on Mirage-3 & 5 is also importent factor. It has been a success story.
I would think this is a lure from the French, they are offering what Pakistan needs Nuke tech for Commercial Use power generation. Pak was recently denied help in this aspect from IAEA. By offering help in Space and Nuke Power area they are trying to get PAF to procure the Rafael. i'll be damed if they do. Yet again another example of french style of dealing.srirangan said:
rafale_2k5
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It is ultimately goin to be M2k9 im pretty sure , no where has there been a mention of Rafale , even the ACM during his brief exposures to the media never hinted out at Rafale , which i believe is basically 4 two reasons , price vs capability, probably PAF is gonna customize all its block 52s 4 the air to air role whereas M2k9 would act as the multi role strike version!!!!!!! why hasnt rafale been included is simple probably AF doesnt want to wait tolo long for the multi role version to come out , besides they havent got the pocket to finance this versions R&D, on the other hand M2k9 utilizes most of Rafales technologies and is a proven/ tested platform!!!! if reports regarding PAF involvement with UAE mirages is true han definitely theyve got a fair idea about the capabilities of this aircraft, plus the fact that soe of PAFs pilots r flying these gives them the capability to have a good idea about performance parameters , plus the PAFs previous experience with the Mirage line would help their technical crews in transitioning to the newer types
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I agree with you Rafale_2k5rafale_2k5 said:
Was there a need for manufacturing Rafale when the Mirages were used by many nations and they were aware of its capebilities and the price of Rafale is also very high
One man can understand that there is a big difference between the Mig's and Sukhoi's but what is the major differnece between the Rafales and Mirages
well rafale is atwin engined aircraft (thus having greater survivability) it is heavier and can carry a heavier weapon load,i beleive it also has a larger combat radius than the mirage 2000-5,rafale can be used on board the carriers,twin engine aircrafts are better suited for maritime operations than single engined aircrafts(usa uses the f-18 and the f-14 and india has placed orders for mig29k), i beleive mirage cannot be used on carriers or for maritime strike role as of now.:coffee
Pakistan does not have an aircraft carrier, Pakistan is a third of the size of India, and planes like F-16 Block-52 and Mirage 2000-9 are extremely potent for a relatively thin country like Pakistan. PAF Mirage ROSE aircraft do maritime operations, as well as surgical strike, reconnaissance, etc. Replacing them with the much more advanced Mirage 2000-9 would help the PAF a million, and in addition adding a large number of F-16C/D Block-52s and F-16A/B MLUs, as well as a large number of JF-17s. This is certainly no joke for India, and if you ask me, the number of advanced fighters falls quite even!
According to a Jang report, the PAF wants 71 new fighters in addition the 55-75 F-16C/D Block-52s, among the new options would obviously be more advanced F-16s, JAS-39 Gripens, and Mirage 2000-9s. I also think Mirage 2000-9 will be sought, so we're talking something like 40-71 Mirage 2000-9s, 55-75 F-16C/D Block-52s, 150 JF-17s, and 32 F-16A/B MLUs.
According to a Jang report, the PAF wants 71 new fighters in addition the 55-75 F-16C/D Block-52s, among the new options would obviously be more advanced F-16s, JAS-39 Gripens, and Mirage 2000-9s. I also think Mirage 2000-9 will be sought, so we're talking something like 40-71 Mirage 2000-9s, 55-75 F-16C/D Block-52s, 150 JF-17s, and 32 F-16A/B MLUs.
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The number of F-16s may rise from 111 since US is offering free F-16s. We can keep some F-16s which are not MLU for training & other purposes like escort missions or patrol & recon.
Mirage2000-9, if they r going to come they wont be more than 40 or 50.
Mirage2000-9, if they r going to come they wont be more than 40 or 50.
But you know what Sabre its worth getting MLU's you can keep them longer in your inventory (Compared to Getting them straight off the Bone yard) Similar configuration to the Active front line F-16 and you'd spend less on the actual Maintenance since its gone through a massive Upgrade.SABRE said:
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Its not 32 PAF F-16 Block 15A/B that are to be MLUed...its 39. The 7 broken one are to be re-built...We will give 39 for MLU & recieve the origional number of 40. 40th unit would be a gift probably from the inventory of Block 15 & 32 that are for free to Pakistan.
Its not 32 PAF F-16 Block 15A/B that are to be MLUed...its 39. The 7 broken one are to be re-built...We will give 39 for MLU & recieve the origional number of 40. 40th unit would be a gift probably from the inventory of Block 15 & 32 that are for free to Pakistan.
rafale_2k5
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Well can anybody verify by what time frame Congress shall ratify/ veto the deal!!!!
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