Scorpion82
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According to some older sources around 2000, but in all official sources you can find a 7500 kg figure at best. Doesn't matter anyway.
Eurofighter Typhoon Discussion Thread
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citizen578
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Recap of Eurofighter developments in 2008
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With all the sales and transfers of aircraft i've got confused:
How many aircraf are the RAF now supposed to be getting in total, including Tranche 3 (if purchased in full). I heard that some were being transferred to Saudi Arabia and Oman, but it wasn't clear whether that meant (S.A in particular) whether the RAF would lose numbers, or just wait a little longer for them.
How many aircraf are the RAF now supposed to be getting in total, including Tranche 3 (if purchased in full). I heard that some were being transferred to Saudi Arabia and Oman, but it wasn't clear whether that meant (S.A in particular) whether the RAF would lose numbers, or just wait a little longer for them.
Scorpion82
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They just wait a little longer as of now, total number is still 232. But it is possible that the UK will sell some of them.
METEORSWARM
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8000kg maximo words "if needed punctually extreme can bear 8000kg Maximum
T2 in improving the hardware, computing and maintaining the features 10% reduced consumption combbustible.
[...]
Improved:
- The precision strike capability all-time, night-to medium-range, which will be combined with the operations of UAVs.
- The stand-off attacks against ground targets precision fixed or moving or relocating weapons by gliders up to 100 km wide (Added my own: the HOPE and HOSBO German and SDB)
Course van improving management merging sensors declining workload of pilot.
Flight fits work network airplanes warning (aew) satellites systems command and control cisterns warplanes electronic control battlefield .... And, of course, strategic reconnaissance UAVs, and tactical strike (UCAVs).
Of note is the need to combine the capabilities of attack with the EFA for the recognition of UAVs, EADS as highlighted in a recent presentation to the media. The UAVs would act as a sensor and the Eurofighter as the trigger (shooter), then you are putting on special importance in sensor fusion and networking to make communication and information transfer more and more simplified.
A joint operation could have a UAV MALE (half cruising altitude, high autonomy) operating up to 100 km ahead of the EF-2000, giving notice and route information, threats and / or white for the same.
Article reconfirms again appliances Tranche 1 Bloque 5 (already delivered early Tranche 2 Bloque 8) fully capacity AA with AMRAAM B C C-5 ASRAAM IRIS-T AIM-9L and canyon and capacity limited AS with barreled bombs GBU Paveway II GBU Enhanced Paveway II ( m GBU-10 -16, EGBU-10 -16). Incidentally, I know that they can use unguided bombs. And nacelle Litening working 70% capacity (recall we talked Tranche 1 Bloque 5).
From 2012 applies P1E (Phase 1 Enhancement) that modernizing and increasing capacities AS all Tranche 1 (homogenization of fleet give everyone level Tranche 2 capacities AS noteworthy).
This P1E and what we did not know the exact date was given to start. Begins when handed quantities Tranche 2 acceptable that ir sending Tranche 1 a workshop no hit availability airplanes.
Such P1E includes those Tranche 1 everything has developed for Tranche 2 (new computers and software best interface man machine modes AS improvements radar MIDS, DASS communications etc) Y furthermore allow to Tranche 1 besides using armaments AS abovementioned the GBU Paveway IV.
Phase P2E (already quoted) that apply to the Tranche 2 (according to my information at the end of 2014-1015) will give them the ability to use cruise missiles like Storm Shadow and JDAM bombs (this is confirmed, but the Taurus The Brimstone, Meteor the SDB and launching supersonic GBU Paveway IV).
The following blocks provided in the Tranche 2 are (Attention: I can assure that this is legit):
- Block 10 (EOC and-1, Enhanced Operational Capacility 1) integrating the system DASS 100% complete and the ability to use the LGB Paveway III (penetrators bunkers).
- Bloque 15 (EOC-2 Enhanced Operational Capacility 2) integrating Meteor and missiles cruising type Storm Shadow and capabilities recognition (nacelles).
Details loose:
- The engine improved for the Tranche 3 could be called EJ-230/270 (in place of EJ-200)
- The system is called DASS commercially "Praetoria (Pretoriano. .. like the Praetorian Guard of Caesar).
- The system for automatic monitoring of EFA terrain, thanks to radar, and supported by IRST and equipment necessary for navigation, you can fly at high speed within 100 feet of altitude to ground.
T2 in improving the hardware, computing and maintaining the features 10% reduced consumption combbustible.
[...]
Improved:
- The precision strike capability all-time, night-to medium-range, which will be combined with the operations of UAVs.
- The stand-off attacks against ground targets precision fixed or moving or relocating weapons by gliders up to 100 km wide (Added my own: the HOPE and HOSBO German and SDB)
Course van improving management merging sensors declining workload of pilot.
Flight fits work network airplanes warning (aew) satellites systems command and control cisterns warplanes electronic control battlefield .... And, of course, strategic reconnaissance UAVs, and tactical strike (UCAVs).
Of note is the need to combine the capabilities of attack with the EFA for the recognition of UAVs, EADS as highlighted in a recent presentation to the media. The UAVs would act as a sensor and the Eurofighter as the trigger (shooter), then you are putting on special importance in sensor fusion and networking to make communication and information transfer more and more simplified.
A joint operation could have a UAV MALE (half cruising altitude, high autonomy) operating up to 100 km ahead of the EF-2000, giving notice and route information, threats and / or white for the same.
Article reconfirms again appliances Tranche 1 Bloque 5 (already delivered early Tranche 2 Bloque 8) fully capacity AA with AMRAAM B C C-5 ASRAAM IRIS-T AIM-9L and canyon and capacity limited AS with barreled bombs GBU Paveway II GBU Enhanced Paveway II ( m GBU-10 -16, EGBU-10 -16). Incidentally, I know that they can use unguided bombs. And nacelle Litening working 70% capacity (recall we talked Tranche 1 Bloque 5).
From 2012 applies P1E (Phase 1 Enhancement) that modernizing and increasing capacities AS all Tranche 1 (homogenization of fleet give everyone level Tranche 2 capacities AS noteworthy).
This P1E and what we did not know the exact date was given to start. Begins when handed quantities Tranche 2 acceptable that ir sending Tranche 1 a workshop no hit availability airplanes.
Such P1E includes those Tranche 1 everything has developed for Tranche 2 (new computers and software best interface man machine modes AS improvements radar MIDS, DASS communications etc) Y furthermore allow to Tranche 1 besides using armaments AS abovementioned the GBU Paveway IV.
Phase P2E (already quoted) that apply to the Tranche 2 (according to my information at the end of 2014-1015) will give them the ability to use cruise missiles like Storm Shadow and JDAM bombs (this is confirmed, but the Taurus The Brimstone, Meteor the SDB and launching supersonic GBU Paveway IV).
The following blocks provided in the Tranche 2 are (Attention: I can assure that this is legit):
- Block 10 (EOC and-1, Enhanced Operational Capacility 1) integrating the system DASS 100% complete and the ability to use the LGB Paveway III (penetrators bunkers).
- Bloque 15 (EOC-2 Enhanced Operational Capacility 2) integrating Meteor and missiles cruising type Storm Shadow and capabilities recognition (nacelles).
Details loose:
- The engine improved for the Tranche 3 could be called EJ-230/270 (in place of EJ-200)
- The system is called DASS commercially "Praetoria (Pretoriano. .. like the Praetorian Guard of Caesar).
- The system for automatic monitoring of EFA terrain, thanks to radar, and supported by IRST and equipment necessary for navigation, you can fly at high speed within 100 feet of altitude to ground.
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METEORSWARM
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Carme Chacón and his German counterpart to invest early in the Eurofighter Tranche 3
18/02/2009 (Infodefensa.com) - In a bilateral meeting between the Spanish Defense Minister, Carme Chacon, and its German counterpart, Franz Josef Jung, have agreed on the desirability of moving rapidly to the third phase of the Eurofighter fighter , Tranche 3, which will complete the program.
During the analysis of the current status of the European defense industry, the two presidents spoke on the matter, clearing the doubts about the viability of the third stage due to the reluctance of countries involved in the project by the large investment involved.
Concerning the A400M military transport aircraft, and Jung believed that Chacon is of particular strategic importance for European industry, since it is essential to provide the armed forces of the countries participating in the same capacity provided by this aircraft military transport.
Therefore, the Defense Ministers of Spain and Germany considered a necessary restructuring of the program by the European consortium EADS, and to introduce technical modifications necessary to meet the expectations of the nations that finance it.
http://www.infodefensa.com/esp/noticias/noticias.asp?cod=1147
18/02/2009 (Infodefensa.com) - In a bilateral meeting between the Spanish Defense Minister, Carme Chacon, and its German counterpart, Franz Josef Jung, have agreed on the desirability of moving rapidly to the third phase of the Eurofighter fighter , Tranche 3, which will complete the program.
During the analysis of the current status of the European defense industry, the two presidents spoke on the matter, clearing the doubts about the viability of the third stage due to the reluctance of countries involved in the project by the large investment involved.
Concerning the A400M military transport aircraft, and Jung believed that Chacon is of particular strategic importance for European industry, since it is essential to provide the armed forces of the countries participating in the same capacity provided by this aircraft military transport.
Therefore, the Defense Ministers of Spain and Germany considered a necessary restructuring of the program by the European consortium EADS, and to introduce technical modifications necessary to meet the expectations of the nations that finance it.
http://www.infodefensa.com/esp/noticias/noticias.asp?cod=1147
METEORSWARM
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The Eurojet partner companies have been working on thrust vectoring nozzle technology for several years, lead by Spanish manufacturer ITP, which validated the concept during a series of bench tests. Eurofighter majority stakeholder EADS is equipping a cockpit simulator at its Manching facility to demonstrate the potential performance enhancements.
Thrust vectoring nozzle technology is being offered to the Eurofighter customer nations on the basis that it could significantly lower lifecycle costs by reducing fuel burn by "3-4% on an average mission" and extending the life of hot section parts, says Eurojet technical director Matt Price.
This is achieved by optimising nozzle shape throughout the flight envelope, and by eliminating the need for drag-inducing control surface deflections to trim the aircraft, particularly at supersonic speeds, where the aerodynamic centre moves aft, causing the nose to pitch down.
In addition, the technology can enhance agility, which could be of particular benefit to the Tejas as it is a delta-winged design that lacks canards.
EADS is leading the Eurofighter bid to win India's 126-aircraft medium multirole combat aircraft contest with the twin-engined Typhoon, and a deal to also equip the country's single-engined LCAs with the EJ200 would make the economics of establishing an in-country engine assembly line considerably more attractive.
The latest iteration of the Typhoon's flight-control system software has been designed to incorporate thrust-vectoring, and flight tests of the ITP thrust vectoring nozzle could begin within the next two years.
The flight-control system can be configured to use the thrust vectoring nozzle as an additional "control surface", boosting damage tolerance and reducing the risk of loss-of-control at low speeds, says Wolfgang Sterr, Eurojet engineering director EJ200/LCA. Furthermore, take-off distance for an aircraft such as the LCA could be reduced by around 20%, even in "hot and high" conditions, he adds.
Eurojet envisages a two-phase thrust vectoring nozzle flight-test programme, firstly using a twin-engine aircraft equipped with a single non-FCS-integrated thrust vectoring nozzle, followed by trials of the fully integrated system on both powerplants.
Thrust vectoring nozzle technology is being offered to the Eurofighter customer nations on the basis that it could significantly lower lifecycle costs by reducing fuel burn by "3-4% on an average mission" and extending the life of hot section parts, says Eurojet technical director Matt Price.
This is achieved by optimising nozzle shape throughout the flight envelope, and by eliminating the need for drag-inducing control surface deflections to trim the aircraft, particularly at supersonic speeds, where the aerodynamic centre moves aft, causing the nose to pitch down.
In addition, the technology can enhance agility, which could be of particular benefit to the Tejas as it is a delta-winged design that lacks canards.
EADS is leading the Eurofighter bid to win India's 126-aircraft medium multirole combat aircraft contest with the twin-engined Typhoon, and a deal to also equip the country's single-engined LCAs with the EJ200 would make the economics of establishing an in-country engine assembly line considerably more attractive.
The latest iteration of the Typhoon's flight-control system software has been designed to incorporate thrust-vectoring, and flight tests of the ITP thrust vectoring nozzle could begin within the next two years.
The flight-control system can be configured to use the thrust vectoring nozzle as an additional "control surface", boosting damage tolerance and reducing the risk of loss-of-control at low speeds, says Wolfgang Sterr, Eurojet engineering director EJ200/LCA. Furthermore, take-off distance for an aircraft such as the LCA could be reduced by around 20%, even in "hot and high" conditions, he adds.
Eurojet envisages a two-phase thrust vectoring nozzle flight-test programme, firstly using a twin-engine aircraft equipped with a single non-FCS-integrated thrust vectoring nozzle, followed by trials of the fully integrated system on both powerplants.
Scorpion82
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As said this value has been stated in articles around 2000, but official sources all claim 7500 kg is the max. The 500 kg don't make a significant difference at all, let alone that 6500 kg is unlikely to be exceeded.
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P1E is slated for 2011, with the final software revision being completed by 2012. To date it's not planned to bring any T1 aircraft to T2 standard, while elements of P1E might find their way into T1 aircraft there are several limitations.
P2E is dead and being replaced by incremental upgrades similar to CP193 (austere package).
Block 10 & 15 won't exist anymore and EOC1 & 2 were replaced with the FCP, hence P1E/2E. Yet P2E is canceled as mentioned before.
Details loose:
1.) These designations has been mentioned in the past, it might easily be that they just use the different MK10X designations for different versions of the engine.
2.) What you talk about is the TERPROM II, which has nothing to do with the radar. It's a passive system with a database where digital altitude data are associated with coordinates. Integrating the PIRATE into the system is navigation systems considered.
I think that's a national issue though. Germany decided against upgrading their planes to the full extent, while other partner nations might come to a different conclusion.
METEORSWARM
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500 kg is bomb 1000lb
T1 conversion T2 and T3 espace inside for new gadchets and upper weight,more 30% in reactor balance extraweight.
The first program (eoc1,eoc 2,eoc 3 eoc 4),is optionsfor nations in proyect in this time.
Each nation choose options the all first program(eoc 1,eoc2,eoc3,eoc4).
Example integration paveway 4,storm shadow,tvc,reducction IR,reducction RCS,helmet,etc.......pay x euros,thanks
T1 conversion T2 and T3 espace inside for new gadchets and upper weight,more 30% in reactor balance extraweight.
The first program (eoc1,eoc 2,eoc 3 eoc 4),is optionsfor nations in proyect in this time.
Each nation choose options the all first program(eoc 1,eoc2,eoc3,eoc4).
Example integration paveway 4,storm shadow,tvc,reducction IR,reducction RCS,helmet,etc.......pay x euros,thanks
Scorpion82
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You mess up some studied improvments with funded additions.
There is no EOC anymore, it has long been replaced by the future capability plan (FCP) which resulted into P1E. Update your information.
Again mixing up options with funded stuff.
METEORSWARM
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T1 and T2 is complete program,T3 negociations choose Eoc,3,4.The program original is with all eoc,but in secondary program T3 a this time is choose and select your options.
Production http://www.targetlock.org.uk/typhoon/production_uk.html.
This the main program.
http://www.airpower.at/flugzeuge/eurofighter/fertigung-t-b-b.htm
(use translate conversion to english)
t1 and t2 is full program.
t3 choose individual options in eoc3 eoc 4. Example i want all t2 + aesa radar.
Or I want all t3 eoc 3 and 4.
Production http://www.targetlock.org.uk/typhoon/production_uk.html.
This the main program.
http://www.airpower.at/flugzeuge/eurofighter/fertigung-t-b-b.htm
(use translate conversion to english)
t1 and t2 is full program.
t3 choose individual options in eoc3 eoc 4. Example i want all t2 + aesa radar.
Or I want all t3 eoc 3 and 4.
dragonfire
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No i didnt say it was the heaviest, rather it had the maximum missiles (24 Missiles), also am not sure if the change you suggest to replace the BVRAAM hardpoints (under the fuselage) to accomodate the 1000 lb bombs is feasible - none of the configurations on the website shows the BVRAAMs being replaced by something elseWell that configuration isn't the heaviest in terms of maximum payload.
This configuration is more "heavy" in terms of payload, though you could replace the 2 inner ASRAAM with bombs in the 1000 lb class:
Scorpion82
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Mate airpower.at is a good website with comprehensive information about the Eurofighter, but the Eurofighter section hasn't been updated for a long time and some of the information given there is outdated! This includes the future capability standards. If you check the "news" section on the website starting in late 2006/early 2007 you will find plenty articles with more up to date informaiton. I suggest you to check out the official website www.eurofighter.com as well, especially the "magazine" section. The latest Eurofighter Review issue there includes some information, but early issues contain more information as well all in english. BTW I'm german
.Scorpion82
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I'm not suggesting to fit bombs to the fuselage hardpoints, but replace the ASRAAMs on the 2nd outboard wing pylon pair with 1000 lb bombs, that is actually a cleared configuration.
METEORSWARM
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Beatiful video in jersey.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10oPKaTQTFc"]YouTube - Typhoon F2 at Jersey 08[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF7Sv909cMI"]YouTube - The Eurofighter Typhoon on Airshow ILA 2008[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10oPKaTQTFc"]YouTube - Typhoon F2 at Jersey 08[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF7Sv909cMI"]YouTube - The Eurofighter Typhoon on Airshow ILA 2008[/ame]
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METEORSWARM
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RAF Boss Boosts Typhoon
Posted by Bill Sweetman at 2/13/2009
The F-35B Joint Strike Fighter and the Eurofighter Typhoon will be complementary to one another in Royal Air Force service, with the Typhoon as the "backbone" of the fleet, RAF chief of staff Air Chief Marshal Sir Glenn Torpy said at Aero-India on Thursday.
"What people don't realize about Typhoon is how good it is at high altitude," Torpy said yesterday - after a press conference in which he and senior German, Italian and Spanish air force leaders had appeared to back up Eurofighter's bid to sell Typhoon to India. "Between 40,000 and 55,000 feet, nothing can touch it except an F-22 - that's what makes it so strong in air defense."
Typhoon will therefore be the RAF's leading air-to-air aircraft with a strong strike capability as well.
For the RAF, meanwhile, the F-35 will focus on destroying enemy air defense systems. "Against some of the heavily defended SAM threats, you need that stealthy, maneuvering capability."
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blog...79a7Post:01b45c64-1e6a-4d02-ac04-aedf6fe81a54
reduced RCS + jamming + towed decoy + altitude + agility = problems for any missile.
2/14/2009
Posted by Bill Sweetman at 2/13/2009
The F-35B Joint Strike Fighter and the Eurofighter Typhoon will be complementary to one another in Royal Air Force service, with the Typhoon as the "backbone" of the fleet, RAF chief of staff Air Chief Marshal Sir Glenn Torpy said at Aero-India on Thursday.
"What people don't realize about Typhoon is how good it is at high altitude," Torpy said yesterday - after a press conference in which he and senior German, Italian and Spanish air force leaders had appeared to back up Eurofighter's bid to sell Typhoon to India. "Between 40,000 and 55,000 feet, nothing can touch it except an F-22 - that's what makes it so strong in air defense."
Typhoon will therefore be the RAF's leading air-to-air aircraft with a strong strike capability as well.
For the RAF, meanwhile, the F-35 will focus on destroying enemy air defense systems. "Against some of the heavily defended SAM threats, you need that stealthy, maneuvering capability."
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blog...79a7Post:01b45c64-1e6a-4d02-ac04-aedf6fe81a54
reduced RCS + jamming + towed decoy + altitude + agility = problems for any missile.
2/14/2009
METEORSWARM
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Construcction Typhoon.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl685TmIhP0"]YouTube - Eurofighter Typhoon assembly (SPA) part 1/2[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAl6ws9HumI"]YouTube - Eurofighter Typhoon assembly (SPA) part 2/2[/ame]
Evolution.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkT4Egg4GT0"]YouTube - Eurofighter Typhoon For India[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl685TmIhP0"]YouTube - Eurofighter Typhoon assembly (SPA) part 1/2[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAl6ws9HumI"]YouTube - Eurofighter Typhoon assembly (SPA) part 2/2[/ame]
Evolution.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkT4Egg4GT0"]YouTube - Eurofighter Typhoon For India[/ame]
King_Typhoon
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is today (thrusday 12th march), tranches 3 meeting with all quad-national disussic about tranches 3 future ?
maybe cut down or go ahead, downsize technology put-in, cancelled with penalty cost?
can you give me any info about today meeting ?
maybe cut down or go ahead, downsize technology put-in, cancelled with penalty cost?
can you give me any info about today meeting ?
Scorpion82
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Didn't knew there even was a meeting today, but I'm certain we'll soon know more.