Eurofighter Typhoon - Breaking News From Riyadh.
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I know Alenia/Finmeccanica are very happy with the responses they are getting out of Ankara and confident that Turkey will come on board.
As for the Greek order, I have serious doubts now after the latest F-16 purchase. The Greek Air Force is still interested in pursuing a future Typhoon deal but the current Greek Government is showing very little interest.
BAE have recently been made lead marketing representatives for Eurofighter GmbH's efforts to sell in Japan.
As for the Greek order, I have serious doubts now after the latest F-16 purchase. The Greek Air Force is still interested in pursuing a future Typhoon deal but the current Greek Government is showing very little interest.
BAE have recently been made lead marketing representatives for Eurofighter GmbH's efforts to sell in Japan.
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hello,
smart move by saudis.eurofighter is better than f-16,f-15 in several way.
with eurofighter they can use along all latest europe weaponeries that us always
give the older version.eurofighter also has capability running in supersonic speed
without afterburn.this's good 4 interceptor role.
smart move by saudis.eurofighter is better than f-16,f-15 in several way.
with eurofighter they can use along all latest europe weaponeries that us always
give the older version.eurofighter also has capability running in supersonic speed
without afterburn.this's good 4 interceptor role.
Thanks for the information, I agree that turkey is the next probable customer, and probably in significant numbers. The marketing for the Japanese market is no surprise, they face a growing threat in the air: with the spread of flanker and J-11 variants in the air. The F-2's production has been cut back to under 60 platforms, the F-1 is facing real obsolescence, and the F-15's are getting old.Izzy1 said:
So, what does the JAF, and its rather well funded, ideally they'd buy the Raptor, but there are cost and technology transfer issues, they is the Eurofighter, certainly readily capable, available, and more affordable.
There is the F-35, but the air to air role has been widely debated. I imagine that JAF will purchase the F-35 in time, but will it be there only purchase.
The Japanese will not built there own type, that time has pasted.
:I agree, one could easily see 100 platforms for the well funded TAF, in time, they also shall have F-35, they structure will be similar to italy & RAF, a mix of typhoons and F-35 and (for the TAF) F-16's
Of course us fans of typhoon would like too see the Greeks also purchase, but i think that less likely, and certianly not in significant numbers.
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Of course us fans of typhoon would like too see the Greeks also purchase, but i think that less likely, and certianly not in significant numbers.
:nutkick
eurofighter is already have big market among the producer countries.
with order from saudi n probably turkey n japan the price will go down.
this will be milestone to produce tranch 4 eurofighter after delivering
of tranch 3 ef.maybe they can produce superior bvr n stand off missiles
with order from saudi n probably turkey n japan the price will go down.
this will be milestone to produce tranch 4 eurofighter after delivering
of tranch 3 ef.maybe they can produce superior bvr n stand off missiles
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The latest from here in Riyadh, Prince Sultan is quoted in the Arab News openly stating that RSAF is seeking 200 Eurofighter Typhoons.
All Tornado ADV and F-5 Tiger (in concerns to the later, some are being sold to Brazil) are slated to be the first platforms to be retired. The Tornado IDS and F-15 C/D fleet upgrades are now also certain.
Strong possibility that the Tornado IDS upgrade will include Storm Shadow/SCALP EG capability.
All Tornado ADV and F-5 Tiger (in concerns to the later, some are being sold to Brazil) are slated to be the first platforms to be retired. The Tornado IDS and F-15 C/D fleet upgrades are now also certain.
Strong possibility that the Tornado IDS upgrade will include Storm Shadow/SCALP EG capability.
just an opinion, but 200, is a lot of warplane. I certainly see more than 48 units being bought and 72, sounds like a minimum number. However, larger number will be required if they do not buy any light/meduim weight platform for now and up-grade all eagle varients (c/d/s) and IDS tornado's ( the later they are doing now)..Izzy1 said:
any thoughts
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You make a valid point, like most air forces, attracting and retaining flight crews has been a constant problem for the RSAF.
In regards to the number of Typhoons, I would tempt the view that the more the Saudis buy, the greater the economic offset will be - thus the real motivation for such a large order.
In regards to the number of Typhoons, I would tempt the view that the more the Saudis buy, the greater the economic offset will be - thus the real motivation for such a large order.
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What I am wondering is what other procurement plans may be in line for the Saudi Armed Forces - after all from the sounds of it, its not just about buying Typhoon but "moderninsing the Saudi Arabian Armed Forces" as a whole.
In regards to the RSAF
Hawk T.65 for example has given great service, but the original Al Yamamah I batch aircraft were delivered between 1987 and 1989 and starting to show wear and tear. Likewise, the PC-9 fleet has seen near constant use. New Hawk 100 Series and PC-21s maybe??
Consideration should also be taken for the 3 Transport Squadrons using C-130E/H Hercules. The RSAF really do work their Hercules fleet and a recent spate of accidents involving RSAF Hercules aircraft has suggested to some that new aircraft maybe needed.
Fears of further enhancement of Iranian naval capability has also underlined the need for a modern martime patrol aircraft.
New weapons is almost certainly a must - RSAF has already recently ordered 150 AIM-9X Sidewinders for their F-15 fleet. I know BAE are keen for ASRAAM to go into RSAF service, yet I feel the RSAF will stick with the 9X to replace its large stocks of AIM-9J/P/L/M and S Sidewinders. As stated earlier, I too really hope the Saudi's opt for Meteor over the AMRAAM for their Typhoons. Yet, with a large number of F-15s in service and sizable stock of AMRAAMs already in service, I do have my doubts. I am also intrgued to know what they will do with the 500 or so Sky Flashes that will be made redundant by the Tornado ADV retirement!!
Air-to-Surface weaponry would also likely be a key part of any modernisation plan. Tornado sustainment and upgrade will involve the enhancement of the aircraft's ability to deliver PGM. Saudi has large stocks of GBU10-Paveway II and III, but has also expressed interest in JDAM for the F-15S fleet. Storm Shadow is very likely part of the Tornado upgrade with ALARM continuing in service in the ARM role. It is possible that Brimstone may be orderd for the Tornado IDS and may eventually find its way onto the Typhoon, but Saudi does have a large stock of Maverick AGMs - however they are mostly early models. JSOW would be on the wish list for the F-15S.
Would not be surprised if we were to see EH-101, S-92 or more Cougars come into service either. I have also heard that Saudi Army Aviation is keen to expand it's attack helicopter battalion strength - currently standing with just one battalion operting the AH-64A Apache.
As for the Royal Saudi Land Forces and National Guard, both have large fleets of armoured vehicles that in most cases are both modern and well maintained. But I do wonder how long the AMX-30 MBT will remain in service with the RSLF's 4th Armoured Brigade - could it make way for further M1-A1s or maybe new Leclercs or even the Challenger 2E? (tempted to doubt the last one mind!!).
The Navy is well equipped with a range of comparitively modern Corvettes and Light Frigates. But the Saudi's have long expressed an interest in developing a submarine force. I wouldn't bet against the French further expanding their ties with the Royal Saudi Navy in this regard.
All in all, I anticipate an interesting period of modernisation and look forward to anyone's views on this matter.
In regards to the RSAF
Hawk T.65 for example has given great service, but the original Al Yamamah I batch aircraft were delivered between 1987 and 1989 and starting to show wear and tear. Likewise, the PC-9 fleet has seen near constant use. New Hawk 100 Series and PC-21s maybe??
Consideration should also be taken for the 3 Transport Squadrons using C-130E/H Hercules. The RSAF really do work their Hercules fleet and a recent spate of accidents involving RSAF Hercules aircraft has suggested to some that new aircraft maybe needed.
Fears of further enhancement of Iranian naval capability has also underlined the need for a modern martime patrol aircraft.
New weapons is almost certainly a must - RSAF has already recently ordered 150 AIM-9X Sidewinders for their F-15 fleet. I know BAE are keen for ASRAAM to go into RSAF service, yet I feel the RSAF will stick with the 9X to replace its large stocks of AIM-9J/P/L/M and S Sidewinders. As stated earlier, I too really hope the Saudi's opt for Meteor over the AMRAAM for their Typhoons. Yet, with a large number of F-15s in service and sizable stock of AMRAAMs already in service, I do have my doubts. I am also intrgued to know what they will do with the 500 or so Sky Flashes that will be made redundant by the Tornado ADV retirement!!
Air-to-Surface weaponry would also likely be a key part of any modernisation plan. Tornado sustainment and upgrade will involve the enhancement of the aircraft's ability to deliver PGM. Saudi has large stocks of GBU10-Paveway II and III, but has also expressed interest in JDAM for the F-15S fleet. Storm Shadow is very likely part of the Tornado upgrade with ALARM continuing in service in the ARM role. It is possible that Brimstone may be orderd for the Tornado IDS and may eventually find its way onto the Typhoon, but Saudi does have a large stock of Maverick AGMs - however they are mostly early models. JSOW would be on the wish list for the F-15S.
Would not be surprised if we were to see EH-101, S-92 or more Cougars come into service either. I have also heard that Saudi Army Aviation is keen to expand it's attack helicopter battalion strength - currently standing with just one battalion operting the AH-64A Apache.
As for the Royal Saudi Land Forces and National Guard, both have large fleets of armoured vehicles that in most cases are both modern and well maintained. But I do wonder how long the AMX-30 MBT will remain in service with the RSLF's 4th Armoured Brigade - could it make way for further M1-A1s or maybe new Leclercs or even the Challenger 2E? (tempted to doubt the last one mind!!).
The Navy is well equipped with a range of comparitively modern Corvettes and Light Frigates. But the Saudi's have long expressed an interest in developing a submarine force. I wouldn't bet against the French further expanding their ties with the Royal Saudi Navy in this regard.
All in all, I anticipate an interesting period of modernisation and look forward to anyone's views on this matter.
I do not foresee the an issue with supplying Eurofighter in such large numbers, i personally, doubt the validity of the claim. Like i said, high end is going to be at least 72, but there in time, and i am talking about 2009-10 an additional order. I am sure we are all aware of just how few planes there are to choose from, and with the exclusiveness of Raptor (cost and technology) there are really 4 "western" warplanes, yes, there is gripen, i like that plane, but its not offering anything new to major powers, in relation to F-16. Saying that, it will and sort of is selling to smaller nations.
So when the need comes to replace IDS tornado you can look to additional eurofigthers, or like the Italians, F-35. However, at some point SAF will be JAF.
So when the need comes to replace IDS tornado you can look to additional eurofigthers, or like the Italians, F-35. However, at some point SAF will be JAF.
"The Navy is well equipped with a range of comparitively modern Corvettes and Light Frigates. But the Saudi's have long expressed an interest in developing a submarine force. I wouldn't bet against the French further expanding their ties with the Royal Saudi Navy in this regard. "
Scorpion maybe, look to that joint italian and russian AIP 1000T model, interesting concept for such shallow and crowded waters. I do agree SAN needs a submarine force, if one thinks about it, the submarines forces are enjoying a little bit of a resurgence. :nutkick
Scorpion maybe, look to that joint italian and russian AIP 1000T model, interesting concept for such shallow and crowded waters. I do agree SAN needs a submarine force, if one thinks about it, the submarines forces are enjoying a little bit of a resurgence. :nutkick
Jets for the export market in the next years:
- single engined multirole fighters includes the F-16C/D Block 60, JAS-39(?) Gripen, J-10A, Mirage 2000-5
- twin engined multirole fighters includes the F/A-18E(F) Super Hornet, EF Typhoon, F-15E Strike Eagle, Su-30MK
and between 2012 to 2015: F-35B/C JSF as the only 5th gen multirole fighter to become available in the export market for a while.
- single engined multirole fighters includes the F-16C/D Block 60, JAS-39(?) Gripen, J-10A, Mirage 2000-5
- twin engined multirole fighters includes the F/A-18E(F) Super Hornet, EF Typhoon, F-15E Strike Eagle, Su-30MK
and between 2012 to 2015: F-35B/C JSF as the only 5th gen multirole fighter to become available in the export market for a while.
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There are other Jets which i think you have forgot,Thunder is one plane which will be also exported.Could you please tell me what is the source of this listPLA2025 said:
It is unlikely one will be able to purchase new F-16's after 2012, due too the production line switching too F-35 production. Moreover, the availability of the mirage 2000 must also come into question, as Dassult will be in full production of the Rafale. So, for "western" warplanes that does cut it down some, especially in the next few years.PLA2025 said:
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