Chinese Air Force (PLA-AF) News and Discussion

[Sandhi Yudha]

Train as you fight, not so sure this is a good thing given the tensions in the region. At what point do you start to doubt a radio intercept describing a simulated attack on your vessel, at the moment of missile launch?

Chinese H-6 Bombers Heard On Radio Confirming Orders For Simulated Attack On U.S. Aircraft Carrier Near Taiwan

Unsurprisingly, the package of 13 Chinese combat aircraft, (including eight H-6 bombers) entering Taiwan's ADIZ last Saturday were carrying out a mock

theaviationist.com

"Pilots of H-6 bombers could be heard in cockpit conversations confirming orders for the simulated targeting and release of anti-ship missiles against the carrier, the people said.”

So during the radio-conversations the crew got and confirm the orders, but did not fire any missiles... or did they also fired missiles but not aiming at the US Navy Carrier Battle Group?

 

[John Fedup]

"Pilots of H-6 bombers could be heard in cockpit conversations confirming orders for the simulated targeting and release of anti-ship missiles against the carrier, the people said.”

So during the radio-conversations the crew got and confirm the orders, but did not fire any missiles... or did they also fired missiles but not aiming at the US Navy Carrier Battle Group?

There doesn’t appear to be any info on whether missiles were actually fired. I suspect that is very unlikely.

 

[SABRE]

"Pilots of H-6 bombers could be heard in cockpit conversations confirming orders for the simulated targeting and release of anti-ship missiles against the carrier, the people said.”

So during the radio-conversations the crew got and confirm the orders, but did not fire any missiles... or did they also fired missiles but not aiming at the US Navy Carrier Battle Group?

Well, it does say simulated/mock attack. So, they were definitely not planning on an actual attack by firing live weapons.

 

[IPCR_quad]

J-20 is likely to receive 2D thrust vectoring engines in the coming years.

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[John Fedup]

2D thrust vectoring, a nice feature, but until the WS-15 engine’s performance is actually proven and has a decent shelf life, the extra feature isn’t so valuable.

 

[ngatimozart]

J-20 is likely to receive 2D thrust vectoring engines in the coming years.

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You are a newbie on here and one line posts are against the rules. A link to the rules is part of my signature so follow the link and read the rules.

I also note that in your request to have a post deleted you removed my green ink note. Doing such is an absolute no no and is one of the quickest ways of getting the Moderators hackles up and us into red ink mode. Don't do it again.

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

J-20 is likely to receive 2D thrust vectoring engines in the coming years.

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Some more good news from the Glorious People's Republic of China.

China fields J-10 jets powered by homemade engine

The move represents China’s confidence in the local technology to equip the single-engine, multirole aircraft.

www.defensenews.com

The chinese J-10 advanced multirole fighter (not with IAI Lavi technology!) has been spotted with the indigenous 100% own developed WS-10B turbofan (not with stolen technology from the CFM56-2 or AL31!).
So, this shows how reliable chinese engines are.

But J-10s with WS-10B engines already appear before 2020.

Currently the J-20 uses the Russian AL-31FM2/3 engines and is expected to transition to a more powerful WS-15 engine which many observers believe is inspired or reverse-engineered from the Russian AL-31 engine that goes into the Su-35 fighter jet.

That was actually the dumbest thing the Russians can do, deliver a small amount of their latest and most advanced operational jetfighter.

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[swerve]

IIRC, the Russians are in a bit of a bind. They need China to buy Russian exports. Apart from raw materials, that mostly means weapons. The Chinese dangle big contracts in front of them, but will only sign up for modest initial batches & a lot of options. Many options are never exercised, but allowed to lapse. The Russians have to decide whether to lose the income from all those initial sales, & some follow-ups, & potentially sales of other stuff that China buys, but which it could get elsewhere.

The Chinese can't copy everything, BTW. For example, a high performance jet engine needs sophisticated metallurgy & manufacturing processes which mere possession of an engine doesn't give you.

 

[ngatimozart]

The Chinese can't copy everything, BTW. For example, a high performance jet engine needs sophisticated metallurgy & manufacturing processes which mere possession of an engine doesn't give you.

It appears that they may now have most of the metallurgical problems under control. They're not stupid and have world class scientists and engineers, so now they are becoming less reliant upon foreign military engine technologies.

 

[swerve]

Yeah, they've been working hard on the problem, just as they've worked hard on chip technology & other stuff that can't just be copied from samples, & are reckoned to have had significant success.

Plenty of clever people, as you say. One job I did a few months ago was checking some translations for a Japanese manufacturer of (among other things) machines for automated blood tests. One was about a new product - designed by their design office in China. There was a photo of the design team: geeky-looking, mostly quite young, Chinese people, in an immaculate lab, clustered around the shiny new machine they'd produced, looking very happy. It was going to join the rest of their product line in being sold around the world. I think the design office was located near at least one well-regarded university with good engineering & related departments. There are a lot more talented people like that team in China.

 

[Ananda]

The World Doesn’t Want Beijing’s Fighter Jets

Snazzy weapons mean a lot less if you don’t have friends.

foreignpolicy.com

I'm bit torn whether to put it in this thread, or Chinese Geopolitical thread. At one point this article talk about Chinese Fighters export, thus should be in aviation thread. However the implications also related to their Geopolitical results.

In sense the article talk on two points:
1. Chinese defense export still can't penetrate larger market asside their traditional customers,
2. With improving quality of Chinese Fighters, means it's costs more. At the same time it also make it less affordable for usual traditional users.

This means China still can't penetrate defense market on those that can afford more expensive defense items. This's due:
1. Those who can afford higher price, tend to buy from more established suppliers,
2. Those who can afford also in different side on China Geopolitical position.

This actually happened to other Chinese aviation products. Like the Airliners despite all the big and plan for C919 export, it will be uphill battle for China to sell it on export market. Similar thing what happen with their existing regional Airliners ARJ-21.

Shown when you can build it, it's not same with the ability to export it.

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

China is set to debut its dedicated electronic-attack aircraft on public display at the upcoming Zhuhai airshow. Images of the J-16D taken on the ground and posted online show that it has some notable differences from the standard J-16, the most prominent of which are a pair of pods mounted on its wingtips.

The twin-seat J-16D is based on the J-16 multirole strike fighter, which is itself a copy-development of the Russian Sukhoi Su-27 and -30MK series.

With these pods on its wingtips the J-16D looks now more like a Su-35 imitation.

China to show off its new electronic-attack jet

A single example of the type, which is officially designated the Shenyang J-16D, has been parked at the static display area of the airshow in Guangdong Province ahead of the upcoming Zhuhai airshow.

www.defensenews.com

 

[weaponwh]

China is set to debut its dedicated electronic-attack aircraft on public display at the upcoming Zhuhai airshow. Images of the J-16D taken on the ground and posted online show that it has some notable differences from the standard J-16, the most prominent of which are a pair of pods mounted on its wingtips.

The twin-seat J-16D is based on the J-16 multirole strike fighter, which is itself a copy-development of the Russian Sukhoi Su-27 and -30MK series.

With these pods on its wingtips the J-16D looks now more like a Su-35 imitation.

i wont say its "copy" except the exterior appearance. likely the frame has more composite material and all the avionic and radar are very different. PLA did learn alot from russian design in the early days, it give them the fastest route to catch up, but since then they have been improving their own version of various system.

 

[ihavethepower]

J-20 at Zhuhai air show. Powered by WS-10C.

 

[Ananda]

FH-97 loyal wingman concept unveiled at Airshow China 2021

China Aerospace Science Technology Corp (CASTC) unveils showcases its Feihong product line at China Airshow 2021,held in Zhuhai from September 28 to October 3, 2021. Among the Feihong product line, the FH-97, a "loyal wingman" UAV.

www.airrecognition.com

Russia has it, US has it, the Euro developing it, so why not China also developing the 'similar' thingy. FH-97, China answer for loyal wingman concept.

 

[ihavethepower]

J-20 powered by WS-10C engines which have serrated nozzles

 

[ihavethepower]

FH-97 loyal wingman concept unveiled at Airshow China 2021

China Aerospace Science Technology Corp (CASTC) unveils showcases its Feihong product line at China Airshow 2021,held in Zhuhai from September 28 to October 3, 2021. Among the Feihong product line, the FH-97, a "loyal wingman" UAV.

www.airrecognition.com

Russia has it, US has it, the Euro developing it, so why not China also developing the 'similar' thingy. FH-97, China answer for loyal wingman concept.

It is difficult to control from a single seat plane. Twin seat planes like J-16D are good at controlling them.

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[Sandhi Yudha]

It is difficult to control from a single seat plane. Twin seat planes like J-16D are good at controlling them.

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Its funny that those fanboys always claim they are from Canada.


And it just continues...
Monday's incursion marks the fourth straight day of incursions by Chinese aircraft, with almost 150 aircraft sent into Taiwan's defence zone in total.

Record number of China planes enter Taiwan air defence zone

It is the fourth day in a row that China has flown its military planes towards Taiwan.

www.bbc.com

And here some news about the latest JH-7A fighter-bomber version.

Airshow China 2021: Chinese air force displays upgraded JH-7A fighter-bomber

The People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) has, for the first time, displayed to the public an upgraded variant of the Xi'an Aircraft Corporation's JH-7A...

www.janes.com

 

[Ananda]

funny that those fanboys always claim they are from Canada.

When I'm sneaking around on other forums, I also found forumers claiming as Canadian, but their post behaviour are very nationalistics either to China, India or Pakistan. Perhaps Canada accepting too many Other Country Nationalist residences. Quite intersting, they have Nationalist agenda from their home country, but like to reside in Canada.

incursion marks the fourth straight day of incursions by Chinese aircraft, with almost 150 aircraft sent into Taiwan's defence zone in total.

Perhaps it is some kind of Attrition game. They have more Aircraft, thus pushing Taiwan Fighters operational tempo will increase their weariness and drove potential problem. This can work either to the hard assets and also man power.

 

[ragingsheep]

Perhaps it is some kind of Attrition game. They have more Aircraft, thus pushing Taiwan Fighters operational tempo will increase their weariness and drove potential problem. This can work either to the hard assets and also man power.

Most of the largest scale flights by the PLAAF have occurred when there's significant American (/Western aligned) activity in the region and currently there's 2 American carriers exercising with the JMSDF and RN in the Western Pacific.

And tbh it's just an ADIZ...just as the USN has the right to sail through (Chinese claimed) international waters and no one pays attention to the Chinese when they make noises about it, the same standards should apply here.