Chilean Army Buys 100 Leopard 2 MBT

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Feña

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Sorry I didnt see your previous post, yep, we all know that getting some Phz 2000 will be expensive, as far as i know it wasn´t for sale ... but the CJE (Army commander) went to Germany and came back with a wide grin, and now the brass that generally knows about new acquistions are more misterious than usual ... but always are somebody who spill the beans ... so as I say, there is nothing confirmed, but for sure there are a lot of noise in the enviroment ...
 
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Yep, I know it sucks but we are kind of used to it here :rolleyes: :rolleyes: but the confidence is high.

The army has been stashing their bucks for a while, so money cannot be an issue (but I´m not saying that the MoD will throw away the money in the american style :rolleyes: :rolleyes: just that when the decission were made we will get the system) ... the other significant purchases was the spike missile systems (50 reported launchers and 1000 missiles (MR and LR)) and the recently finished program wich selected the medium helicopter (Cougars).

The other significant program is the joint Army / Air Force Air Defense system, with the israeli Spyder, a norwegian or sweden system (I didn´t remember the name of it) and a Hummer / AIM 120 systems been considered ...

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It Seems that the Aussie Army as turn down a dutch offer for 18 brand new PzH2000 artillery systems ...

May this ones be the PzH´s for Chile?

It could be possible since the Dutch as already sold to us fighters (F16), Frigates (M´s and L´s Types) and 200+ Leopards 1 ....
 
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I also never heard that the Ariete has some kind of special suspension which would it make more suitable.

Not to talk of the price.

One can hardly get more bang for the buck than when going for surplus Leopard IIA4.
There are also several upgrade possibilities available for the Leos as well as a good spare part availability due to the many customers and ongoing development.
 
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Waylander said:
I also never heard that the Ariete has some kind of special suspension which would it make more suitable.

Not to talk of the price.

One can hardly get more bang for the buck than when going for surplus Leopard IIA4.
There are also several upgrade possibilities available for the Leos as well as a good spare part availability due to the many customers and ongoing development.
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[B]Waylander[/B], eckherl hold on, can you answer?
Sorry, I'm just worried...

But anyone wondered why Chile want's their Leopard IIA4 MBT's? Their US and Dutch F-16s? Their 3xUK Type 23 Frigates and 2xFrench Scorpene Class SSKs?

A 40,000 strong fully proffesional Army. Compared to Brazil's 280,000 Conscipt force.

What are the building up to?
 
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They could reopen the line just for Chile.

Would be defenitely a cheap decision... :D

@Izzy1
I think the Chileneans are interested in their own defence and take this seriously.
A proffesional force of 40.000 soldiers needs good equipment to stand a chance against much more numerous potential enemies.
I don't think the neighbours if Chile have to worry about it.
These buys are not enough to allow big offensive operations against the neighbours but would give any attacker a big headache.
 
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[B]Waylander[/B], eckherl hold on, can you answer?
Sorry, I'm just worried...

But anyone wondered why Chile want's their Leopard IIA4 MBT's? Their US and Dutch F-16s? Their 3xUK Type 23 Frigates and 2xFrench Scorpene Class SSKs?

A 40,000 strong fully proffesional Army. Compared to Brazil's 280,000 Conscipt force.

What are the building up to?
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Izzy, I can't see the point of any military comparisons between Chile & Brazil. They have no quarrels (their current governments get on rather well), & no border. Oh, and Brazil has more regulars (total numbers) in its armed forces than Chile does - 60% regular, 40% conscript.

Argentina, Bolivia & Chile are the only potential enemies for Chile, & with their current arms & state of readiness, none is any threat.

Chile won't start anything under its current, or any foreseeable elected government. Nothing to gain & a great deal to lose.

If the armed forces overthrow the government again (which they don't have an excuse for, unlike last time), that would immediately stop all its current arms deliveries, & any spares. No Cold War, not in the GWOT . . .
 
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The three brigades of the north will be capable of create a good show for our brothers of Perú, Bolivia and Argentina (we dont have any disputes with them, but ;) ) ... and if the purchase of the Gepards and Marders come to a succesful end it´s gona be like seeing the "Afrika Korps Reloaded" ... all german equipment on desert cammo .... HELL YEAH!!, what and awsome view will that be :D :D

That is another rummor here, about the acquisition of 30 Gepard AAA systems and a FIRST batch of at least 100 marders ... if the river sounds ... any of you had any intel about this?

Bye
 
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Waylander said:
I also never heard that the Ariete has some kind of special suspension which would it make more suitable.

Not to talk of the price.

One can hardly get more bang for the buck than when going for surplus Leopard IIA4.
There are also several upgrade possibilities available for the Leos as well as a good spare part availability due to the many customers and ongoing development.
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The Ariete actually has a very good suspension system. Last night i created a tank thread, only to find out you have to have a certain amount of post's to post url's. :lul
 
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What kind of thread did you want to start?

If you want to give us a ling just write - instead of .
Like www-google-com.

The other members are then able to add the dots on their own.

But remember simple this vs that threads are not allowed... ;)

What kind of special suspension does the Ariete has?
 
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Sorry, I'm just worried...

But anyone wondered why Chile want's their Leopard IIA4 MBT's? Their US and Dutch F-16s? Their 3xUK Type 23 Frigates and 2xFrench Scorpene Class SSKs?

A 40,000 strong fully proffesional Army. Compared to Brazil's 280,000 Conscipt force.

What are the building up to?
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Well I must say that this post disturbed me, this is so because Chile has been one of the keepers of the peace in this part of the earth, our country has a proud history of more that 127 years of foreign peace (yes, we did have a civil war and a coupla of coups BUT THAT DOESNT COUNT ;) ;) ), this cannot be matched by none of our neighbours so when they claim that Chile is "up to something" it make my laugh ... but then I had to remember that we live in the continent of the "magic reality" where anything could be ... like cats chasing dogs :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

And if you really look in to the chilean acquisitions, you cannot find anything THAT new or sofisticated ... the reality of the matter is when the european armed services began to sale the surplus materials we did have the funds to take advantage of the situation, that is hardly part of an "evil plan to attack Brasil", besides the ocasion calls for a profound transformation in our military, from a "territorial army" with lots and lots of conscript infantry to a modern army heavily mechanized but more small in size (the Chilean Army as closed 22 :( Regiments in the last 8 years), and that is because it has been proved again and again that an infantry or concript army doesnt stand a chance against a proffesional enemy.

Cheers
 
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Waylander said:
What kind of thread did you want to start?

If you want to give us a ling just write - instead of .
Like www-google-com.

The other members are then able to add the dots on their own.

But remember simple this vs that threads are not allowed... ;)

What kind of special suspension does the Ariete has?
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Well it has a Torsion bar just like the Leopard. But the tank is made for mountainous and rocky enviroment's just like Chilean is. It has the ability to adapt to any urban enviroment and it is very much like the Merkeva in a sense. The 120mm Smoothbore gun is a beast, it's the same design of the Abrams. Crew safety is the number 1 importance in the tank, the armor is made up of state of the art materials. I have nothing bad against the Leopard in fact i think it is one of the best tanks in the world, but the C1 Ariete would be better off in there enviroment.
 
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Rossiman said:
Well it has a Torsion bar just like the Leopard. But the tank is made for mountainous and rocky enviroment's just like Chilean is. It has the ability to adapt to any urban enviroment and it is very much like the Merkeva in a sense. The 120mm Smoothbore gun is a beast, it's the same design of the Abrams. Crew safety is the number 1 importance in the tank, the armor is made up of state of the art materials. I have nothing bad against the Leopard in fact i think it is one of the best tanks in the world, but the C1 Ariete would be better off in there enviroment.
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The Arietes suspension is nothing different than a Leo 2 series or M1 series.
 
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