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gf0012-aust

Grumpy Old Man
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So when the RAAF moved a M1A1 Abrams it was a case of let’s see if we can do it, if army doesn’t believe that Mech force’s should be airlifted why practice it?

Air Power Development Centre
The capacity and capability to lift doesn't make it doctrine :)

Like everything, its a transport option

You wouldn't "routinely" plan your event on lifting your heavies in by air
 

Abraham Gubler

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During OIF in 2003 USAF airlifted the 1–63rd Armor battle group into Bashur Airfield in Northern Iraq. 1-62 was made up of two combat teams: one with 5 M1 and 5 M2 and the other with ~15 M113. To be combat effective this mechanised force was part of the 173 Abn Bde with two parachute infantry battalions. This entire force numbered 2,200 men and 400 vehicles (including the ~30 A vehicles). It took 62 C-17s sorties in four days to deploy this force. USAF allocated between 12 and 17 C-17s per day to this operation. The flight route for these deployments was a relatively short 4.5 hour sector from Italy to Northern Iraq.

This is a small scale air mobile mechanised force and the airlift required for it is far outside of the RAAF’s means. It would take our C-17 force upwards of two weeks to deploy such a similar force. Two weeks to deploy a light brigade with minimal force support is a recipe for disaster in anything other than the most benign combat operations. Much easier just to wait for the fat ships to arrive and land the entire force within a day or two.
 

winnyfield

New Member
I'm a bit unclear about the M777. Would it be correct to say that despite not having an APU and a fixed undercarriage that enables the gun to be rapidly moved, the main advantage M777 offers over other towed 155mm guns is its light weight?

Has the army shown any interest in a motorised 155mm gun that can fit in a C-130J?
The Pegasus 155mm competed with the M777 for the arty replacement. Its heavier and can self-propel at ..... 12km/h.

Better off with a lighter gun and use an ATV or tractor.
 

Navor86

Member
Will the addition of the 19 M777 mean a change from the current structure of 3 OP and 1 Gun Battery per Regiment to a complete new structure? IIRC they were talking about 6 batteries in total, but the current regimental layout provides for 3 gun batteries. Or will they just distribute the extra M 777 to the alraedy existing gun batteries?
 

Raven22

The Bunker Group
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Will the addition of the 19 M777 mean a change from the current structure of 3 OP and 1 Gun Battery per Regiment to a complete new structure? IIRC they were talking about 6 batteries in total, but the current regimental layout provides for 3 gun batteries. Or will they just distribute the extra M 777 to the alraedy existing gun batteries?
The gun regiments are going back to the old structure of three batteries per regiment, with each battery including both guns and OP parties.
 

lopez

Member
Was the new battery structure ever actually adopted ?? In 4 REGT at least it was trialled but ditched in favour of the "old" structure.
 

Abraham Gubler

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Was the new battery structure ever actually adopted ?? In 4 REGT at least it was trialled but ditched in favour of the "old" structure.
Realistically it doesn't matter much. Having the guns in the field batteries saves a battery level HQ (which wouldn't have had much to do) and gives each BC something more tangible under their command than binos and laptops. But the flexibility is in the new digital systems and in the traditional way of concentrating arty to needs.
 

Abraham Gubler

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For those interested, the new Australian Multicam uniform was nicely modeled by the 7 RAR digs about to deploy to Afghan. The first picture shows the new unnecessarily changed shirt being worn by the CO. Nice jaunty hat angle too. The second photo nicely shows the little ADF crest incorporated into the pattern. Cute photo too.
The pattern looks slightly different with the black and white splotches made more like the AUSCAM jellybeans. Tiny change but.
 

Raven22

The Bunker Group
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This was the infamous Deh Rawud battle without mortar support that sparked the call for tank deployment.
Derapet in the Tangi Valley to be exact.

What is with rangas and getting VCs? They must learn to fight when getting picked on at school or something.

And you know its tough keeping people in the Army when even VC winners are getting out to go work in the mines.
 

ADMk2

Just a bloke
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Enough jokes about VC winners. Soldiers don't get awarded "sympathy VC,s", other gongs maybe, but not VC,s. A little respect please guys.
It was a joke about rangas, not VC winners...

I have nothing but the highest respect for these blokes.

Edit: And indeed everyone who wears the Australian uniform.
 

hairyman

Active Member
It is a well known fact that red heads are more feisty and ready for a fight than other people. Just goes with the territory I suppose.

Anyhow, congratulations Daniel. Well done.
 

old faithful

The Bunker Group
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It was a joke about rangas, not VC winners...

I have nothing but the highest respect for these blokes.

Edit: And indeed everyone who wears the Australian uniform.
I assumed that AD, but it reads bad "what is it with rangas and VC?" ans "people feel sorry for them" dosnt read so good mate, I know what you meant, but....
 
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