Slick production.
A reminder of a defence film called " The Green Machine "produced back in the mid 1970's.
Regards S
Redlands18
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Maybe a touch Army Combat Corps centric for a ADF Video, other than that good.
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
Just saw this article about a pause in the Triton program. Certainly a somewhat troubling development,
especially from a financial POV.
www.realcleardefense.com
especially from a financial POV.
U.S. to ‘Pause’ Production of Australia’s Triton Drones
The title of the latest issue of Australian Foreign Affairs asks, ‘Can we trust America?’ The case of the MQ-4C Triton unmanned aerial system would suggest the answer is no. The 2016 defe
t68
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Why isn't Australia able to stop a military invasion?
What would happen if Australia was invaded by a foreign country?
www.9news.com.au
Little story on the MSN about the ADF ability of stopping an invasion on Australian soil, the story seems to forget we have a Navy and a Air Force
Maybe a quiet news day at MSN!Why isn't Australia able to stop a military invasion?
What would happen if Australia was invaded by a foreign country?
Little story on the MSN about the ADF ability of stopping an invasion on Australian soil, the story seems to forget we have a Navy and a Air Force
Regards S
Well, clearly I am a goose.
Here I was thinking the most significant threat to the maintainence of society as we know it, was the uninterrupted supply of Vast amounts of fuels via import thru tenuous sea lanes, and the eventual inevitable requirement to marshal the total and collective resources of the Australasian archipelago to sustain it; when the actual high priority demand when doom is reckoned, is the toilet roll.
How on earth could I have been so wrong?
Here I was thinking the most significant threat to the maintainence of society as we know it, was the uninterrupted supply of Vast amounts of fuels via import thru tenuous sea lanes, and the eventual inevitable requirement to marshal the total and collective resources of the Australasian archipelago to sustain it; when the actual high priority demand when doom is reckoned, is the toilet roll.
How on earth could I have been so wrong?
A "read for comprehension" review of the article suggests that the Professor is actually countering arguments from the uninformed suggesting that we're at the mercy of, well, just about everyone because we don't have LOTS of everything that goes bang, everywhere along the coast (and inland, just in case)
You should probably have read all the way to the end. His solutions include..
I'd imagine he has Navy and Airforce assets in mind since we have regular deployments to the Gulf , and also to counter warships and submarines off our coast threatening our cities to extract diplomatic or material concessions, pointing out that that is still an extreme case due to the great distances involved, even for a major nation.
Summary: No need to structure to fight the full might of anyone here, they have to get here first, and distance, made longer by naval and air intervention make that very, very difficult
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FoxtrotRomeo999
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Energy Minister announces $94m fuel deal but reserve won’t be held in Australia
Australia is taking advantage of historically low fuel prices around the world by spending $94 million to establish a strategic fuel reserve, but there’s a catch — it won’t be stored in Australia.
www.news.com.au
Australia is taking advantage of low oil prices to build up a Strategic Oil Reserve. However, we lack sufficient Australian storage capacity so in the interim, it will be stored in the US. Good news.
Todjaeger
Potstirrer
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It might be worthwhile for Australia to invest in intermodal fuel containers, both to increase domestic storage capacity and as a means to transport fuel reserves. It would also probably be worth looking into building underground storage tanks in no longer active mines. If memory serves, portions of the US Strategic Oil Reserve is stored in caverns or old salt mines located in the states of Louisiana and Texas.Energy Minister announces $94m fuel deal but reserve won’t be held in Australia
Australia is taking advantage of historically low fuel prices around the world by spending $94 million to establish a strategic fuel reserve, but there’s a catch — it won’t be stored in Australia.
Australia is taking advantage of low oil prices to build up a Strategic Oil Reserve. However, we lack sufficient Australian storage capacity so in the interim, it will be stored in the US. Good news.
My thinking too. The construction of oil storage facilities within Australia would be a good infrastructure investment project to help kickstart the economy. Really a no brainer.
Boagrius
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About time - glad to see the ball rolling here. Hopefully this can be developed into a robust strategic reserve in due course. Now about that refining capability...
That's only a suggestion about building the infrastructure in Australia. From the article your reserve is stored in the US.
Boagrius
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Yes although if I read correctly the intent is for local storage to take over eventually. Here's hoping that is the case.
FoxtrotRomeo999
Active Member
Lining up the ducks, the things we could do are:
1. Establish the reserve.
From the article, this is being addressed. Given the very low prices, this does seem sensible. We now will need to maintain the reserve.
2. Locate in Australia.
From the Article, Australia will be looking at achieving this -
3. Look at resurrecting some Refinery capability in Australia.
Not specifically mentioned in the article.
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Question: Ngatimozart and the other New Zealanders, does NZ actually have an actual physical reserve or is it a virtual reserve (based on agreed delivery arrangements)?
1. Establish the reserve.
From the article, this is being addressed. Given the very low prices, this does seem sensible. We now will need to maintain the reserve. 2. Locate in Australia.
From the Article, Australia will be looking at achieving this -“Initially, that reserve will be held in the United States, where there is spare storage. We have full storages here in Australia. But in time, we are exploring opportunities with the industry to establish local storage.
“We are moving with the storage we can access, which right now is in the United States."
3. Look at resurrecting some Refinery capability in Australia.
Not specifically mentioned in the article._______________________________________________________
Question: Ngatimozart and the other New Zealanders, does NZ actually have an actual physical reserve or is it a virtual reserve (based on agreed delivery arrangements)?
Todjaeger
Potstirrer
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As an adjunct, and something that the US has been examining as well, is having an element of the Strategic Oil Reserve be stockpiled refined product. If Australia is honestly considering building additional storage for JIC situations, then having some of that storage be for "ready to use" product.Lining up the ducks, the things we could do are:
1. Establish the reserve.
2. Locate in Australia.
“Initially, that reserve will be held in the United States, where there is spare storage. We have full storages here in Australia. But in time, we are exploring opportunities with the industry to establish local storage.“We are moving with the storage we can access, which right now is in the United States."
3. Look at resurrecting some Refinery capability in Australia.
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Question: Ngatimozart and the other New Zealanders, does NZ actually have an actual physical reserve or is it a virtual reserve (based on agreed delivery arrangements)?
New Zealand's reserve is held in options, primarily located in Japan IIRC.Lining up the ducks, the things we could do are:
1. Establish the reserve.
2. Locate in Australia.
“Initially, that reserve will be held in the United States, where there is spare storage. We have full storages here in Australia. But in time, we are exploring opportunities with the industry to establish local storage.“We are moving with the storage we can access, which right now is in the United States."
3. Look at resurrecting some Refinery capability in Australia.
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Question: Ngatimozart and the other New Zealanders, does NZ actually have an actual physical reserve or is it a virtual reserve (based on agreed delivery arrangements)?
Fortunately the NZG has had the foresight to invest in sufficient naval escort numbers to see it all brought home safely in the event of a crisis...
Something just dawned on me. The name of the game for the Army in the 80s and 90s was Vital Assets Protection (VAP) and we never had the numbers or gear needed to do it properly. By not having vital assets, i.e. oil refineries, storage, manufacturing etc. you don't have as many vital assets to protect!
I’m no expert, but that doesn’t stop me from some observations.
i appreciate the boosting of fuel reserves, & indeed it’s opportunistic to do that whilst costs are historically low.
However noble and prudent the theory, in practical terms whilst ever that fuel is held physically off-shore, it remains useless in practical terms.
Scenarios that disrupt constantly required supply will no doubt also involve any attempt to deliver an externally held reserve supply.
i appreciate the value of petroleum based fuels, especially for military applications and facilitating older technology legacy power generation, and I think it’s realistic to conclude that petroleum based fuels will be required for quite some time yet.
However If this current pandemic has demonstrated anything, it’s that the community panic at the potential supply/access of ‘toilet rolls’.
i think in consideration of Australian strategic confidence, genuine efforts must be made to transition the Australian community from petroleum based fuels (Military application may take a much longer time?)
Any limited supply will place the wider community in direct and debilitating competition to ADF operations.
A wider uptake of alternatively fuelled vehicles, and renewable power generation on site from surrounding ambient environment, will alleviate pressure on the wider strategic picture and ADF operational supply and it’s in the direct interest to the ADF for this transition to occur at the best pace plausible.
i appreciate the boosting of fuel reserves, & indeed it’s opportunistic to do that whilst costs are historically low.
However noble and prudent the theory, in practical terms whilst ever that fuel is held physically off-shore, it remains useless in practical terms.
Scenarios that disrupt constantly required supply will no doubt also involve any attempt to deliver an externally held reserve supply.
i appreciate the value of petroleum based fuels, especially for military applications and facilitating older technology legacy power generation, and I think it’s realistic to conclude that petroleum based fuels will be required for quite some time yet.
However If this current pandemic has demonstrated anything, it’s that the community panic at the potential supply/access of ‘toilet rolls’.
i think in consideration of Australian strategic confidence, genuine efforts must be made to transition the Australian community from petroleum based fuels (Military application may take a much longer time?)
Any limited supply will place the wider community in direct and debilitating competition to ADF operations.
A wider uptake of alternatively fuelled vehicles, and renewable power generation on site from surrounding ambient environment, will alleviate pressure on the wider strategic picture and ADF operational supply and it’s in the direct interest to the ADF for this transition to occur at the best pace plausible.
Military leaders warn we must prepare for a crisis worse than COVID-19
A confidential report commissioned by the Department of Defence predicted medical shortages, panic-buying and mass job losses a year before the COVID-19 outbreak.
www.abc.net.au
The scenario is more about a Global Crisis which almost completely isolates Australia from the rest of the world. No fuel supplies, medicines, specialised chemicals, and other critical supplies. As bad as it is the current situation is nowhere near as bad as the scenarios assumed in this report. The conclusion would suggest that in such a scenario Australia would be just 3 months away from complete collapse.
Perhaps reports like this need to be more seriously considered. While globalisation has its benefits it clearly has a downside as well. A year ago I would have said the benefits outweigh the risks. Now I am reconsidering my position.