Kym cannot be taken seriously when he says we should be buying or building such n such… it’s a paid promotion.
Royal Australian Navy Discussions and Updates 2.0
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Redlands18
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The offer of six slightly larger heavily armed Corvettes based on the Arafura design has been inexplicably ignored by the Federal Government. I would like to see Mr Bergmann's justification for such a statement. He also ignores the amount of work Austal has for Project Land 8710 when he talks about
Ongoing Cape builds, 18 LMV-Ms and 8 LMV-Hs is apparently not enough work.
The offer of six slightly larger heavily armed Corvettes based on the Arafura design has been inexplicably ignored by the Federal Government. I would like to see Mr Bergmann's justification for such a statement. He also ignores the amount of work Austal has for Project Land 8710 when he talks about
What, suggesting Austal build 6 larger heavily armed Corvettes based on the Arafura is a paid promotion to fix Austal not having enough work to keep its work force busy?
Ongoing Cape builds, 18 LMV-Ms and 8 LMV-Hs is apparently not enough work.The offer of six slightly larger heavily armed Corvettes based on the Arafura design has been inexplicably ignored by the Federal Government. I would like to see Mr Bergmann's justification for such a statement. He also ignores the amount of work Austal has for Project Land 8710 when he talks about
What, suggesting Austal build 6 larger heavily armed Corvettes based on the Arafura is a paid promotion to fix Austal not having enough work to keep its work force busy? Ongoing Cape builds, 18 LMV-Ms and 8 LMV-Hs is apparently not enough work.
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C90s, keep Taipans, buy Frigates and Sejong the Greats from Korea and buy Embraer C390s from Brazil = the last month.
What, suggesting Austal build 6 larger heavily armed Corvettes based on the Arafura is a paid promotion to fix Austal not having enough work to keep its work force busy?
Ongoing Cape builds, 18 LMV-Ms and 8 LMV-Hs is apparently not enough work.[/QUOTE]
C90s, keep Taipans, buy Frigates and Sejong the Greats from Korea and buy Embraer C390s from Brazil = the last month.
A good extended update on the progress of AUKUS and the preparations for the rotational force. They are well ahead of plans for the SRF at Stirling, a good listen and update.
New Hyundai Santa Fe…big big big
Austal, Civmec sign joint venture MOU to support Army Landing Craft Heavy project
Folks
This is an update on the landing craft heavy. On this Austal and Civmec have announced a JV to work together on this project to submit a proposal to the government. There is a link to the media release from Civmec in the article.
Gotta admit I thought hell would freeze over before these two worked together, however the outcome (if they don't kill each other first), would be very effective. Civmec's yard and hot works capability, and Austal's design and ship building knowledge make a good combination and play to their respective strengths.
I'm thinking shotgun wedding here, a bit like with Birdon and Austal for the landing craft mediums.
If this works it gives a platform for how the GPFs could be developed.
Folks
This is an update on the landing craft heavy. On this Austal and Civmec have announced a JV to work together on this project to submit a proposal to the government. There is a link to the media release from Civmec in the article.
Gotta admit I thought hell would freeze over before these two worked together, however the outcome (if they don't kill each other first), would be very effective. Civmec's yard and hot works capability, and Austal's design and ship building knowledge make a good combination and play to their respective strengths.
I'm thinking shotgun wedding here, a bit like with Birdon and Austal for the landing craft mediums.
If this works it gives a platform for how the GPFs could be developed.
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Probably should be in the Army thread.
The LCH design pick will be interesting.
Civmec wanted to partner with Serco/IMT.
IMC LMV-H at Indo Pac – IMC Naval Architects
imcau.com.au
Austal wanted to partner with BMT/Raytheon.
BMT's CAIMEN-Large ready to meet Australia's Landing Craft-Heavy requirements
BMT offers a rich portfolio of design services for specialised vessels, this capability is particularly relevant given the focus of the Australian Defence Strategic Review on enhancing the Army's amphibious capabilities in littoral environments.
www.bmt.org
Birdon wanted to develop an LCH that shared close lineage with the H260 aimed at the U.S.
Birdon Selected By The Marine Corps Warfighting Laboratory (MWCL) To Develop Heavy Landing Craft – H260
The US Marine Corps has selected Birdon’s advanced Heavy Landing Craft – H260 design to be part of a test and evaluation exercise focused on […]
www.birdon.com.au
Sea Transport Solutions was another which is modifying a ship to use as prototype for the U.S marines.
Seatransport’s Stern Landing Vessel (SLV) Design draws the attention of the U.S. Marine Corps.
ARLINGTON, Va. — The U.S. Marine Corps will test out its first stern landing vessel at an Army event this spring, a top general said Wednesday, as the service prepares to create a fleet of shore-to-shore connectors to support Marines operating in the Pacific. The service announced its idea for...
www.seatransport.com
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IODS-2024
Hanwha - 4300 frigate (Evolved Daegu or Chungnam?)
Mitsubishi - the ‘Upgraded Mogami’ (new FFM)
Both with 32 VLS
x.com
www.navalnews.com
Hanwha - 4300 frigate (Evolved Daegu or Chungnam?)
Mitsubishi - the ‘Upgraded Mogami’ (new FFM)
Both with 32 VLS
x.com
x.com
"Upgraded Mogami" Is The New "New FFM", Looking At Australia
Japanese builder MHI redesignates the Mogami FFG successor as "Upgraded Mogami", seemingly positioning the design for Australian contract.
www.navalnews.com
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Interesting article on The War Zone showing a likely Ukrainian Drone Jet Ski… is there a role/market for such a craft within the ADF? I’d argue yes given the relatively low cost, and plenty of evidence that the same/similar craft have been effective in contributing to denying the Black Sea to the Russian Fleet.
I do like the Transformers Autobot sticker. It's a fetching touch.
These are companies, if there is logic, they can make it work. Tribalisim is trumped by capitalism, normally.
The Koreans and Japanese, are clearly in competition. It would appear they are pushing the newer designs, rather than the older designs.
The Koreans and Japanese have both announced they can deliver ships by 2029 of the new designs
I don't think the ADF will be that interested in acquiring it. But it does show that in war, at some point, you literally start strapping bombs onto anything to make anything provide capability.
I think the ADF will be very interested in acquiring weapon systems to defend from it.
I think in Naval circles, there is, much like there was in aviation, this belief that missiles make all guns obsolete. While very important, I'm not sure that is exactly true. Perhaps in high intensity peer battles, but in other circumstances perhaps not.
Scott Elaurant
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Further to the commments about the Mogami/FFM frigate as an option for the GPF program, I thought it interesting that the Chief of Staff of the Japan MSDF was also in Perth and speaking at the Conference panel. He doesn’t have much to contribute to the SSN discussion, but it is a handy opportunity for him to look at Henderson shipyard.
www.abc.net.au
For all that some of us might debate technical details, it seems to me that major defence acquisition decisions are made increasingly on relational rather than technical or cost considerations. If we are wanting to work more closely with the JMSDF, then the Mogami FFM looks a likely choice. Happily I also think it would be a good choice technically, with Mitsubishi having excellent delivery capability. Korea is also very good in this respect.
Submarine boss predicts AUKUS will be slow, expensive and suffer setbacks
The head of the Australian Submarine Agency warns of a "long road ahead" with the trilateral security pact for nuclear submarines between Australia, the US and the UK.
www.abc.net.au
For all that some of us might debate technical details, it seems to me that major defence acquisition decisions are made increasingly on relational rather than technical or cost considerations. If we are wanting to work more closely with the JMSDF, then the Mogami FFM looks a likely choice. Happily I also think it would be a good choice technically, with Mitsubishi having excellent delivery capability. Korea is also very good in this respect.
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Some interesting comments by the ROK navy director general of naval ship programs...
asiapacificdefencereporter.com
Early frigate delivery, emphasis on survivability and full support for integration of American weapons.
ROK government commits to delivering Australian frigates by 2029 - APDR
The South Korean government has committed to delivering Australian frigates by 2029 according to a Korean admiral
asiapacificdefencereporter.com
Great win for a group of ex pussers giving it a crack, been following these guys for a while, they are doing some great stuff and have found a very smart lane to play in.
www.australiandefence.com.au
Wonder what other potential offerings they may be able to bring to the table and upscale ?
RAN selects The Whiskey Project for new landing craft - Australian Defence Magazine
The Royal Australian Navy has selected a new light landing craft built by The Whiskey Project Group for Pacific Support Vessel ADV Reliant.
www.australiandefence.com.au
Wonder what other potential offerings they may be able to bring to the table and upscale ?
It's interesting to see what Hanwa is putting out. That's the first public image of a 32 VLS Korean FFX derivitive frigate,and they picked the Australian forum to do it in. It looks to be a Chungnam, slightly stretched, so again an evolution rather than a new design. I assume this will become their FFX IV or V in due course.IODS-2024
Hanwha - 4300 frigate (Evolved Daegu or Chungnam?)
Mitsubishi - the ‘Upgraded Mogami’ (new FFM)
Both with 32 VLS
x.com
"Upgraded Mogami" Is The New "New FFM", Looking At Australia
Japanese builder MHI redesignates the Mogami FFG successor as "Upgraded Mogami", seemingly positioning the design for Australian contract.
My money is still on the "upgraded Mogami" (the Japanese obviously are not spending money on branding) for Sea3000 as it is further along in detailed design, but the Koreans are not going to go out lying down. Also throwing in accelerated production is a further "kitchen sink" approach to their tender response.
Regardless it does highlight that both the Korean and Japanese frigate platforms are moving decisively to compact multirole ASW and AAW formats, rather than just ASW with basic point defence.
Did anybody notice the alternative "foreign customer" mast option offered for the Mogami? Given we are the only serious foriegn contender, is this for us? I would have thought the unicorn coms tower was actually one of the better parts of the Mogami and something we would actually want.
The other factor of note with the Mogami, is the effort to accomodate Australian choice weapons, in particular NSM, seeminly irrespective of the Sea3000 tender. The article indicates that Japan intends to integrate NSM into its own combat system, for its own use. Given they have their own indigenous anti ship strike missile (Type 17), I find this surprising. Maybe it gives them an alternate supply from a future regional manufacturer (assuming we build a production line).
This speaks to a growing trend for missile flexibility. In a hot war world, missile availability becomes scarce. A mitigation is to be able to take any missile, not just your preferred. The PAC3 trials in the Mk41/Aegis system is another recent example.
With this in mind, it will be interesting to see if we look to use this flexibility with Sea3000. Lets say we take the ugraded Mogami, integrated for both NSM and Type 17.
Redlands18
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I have little doubt that it will be NSM, we are in the process of integrating it into both the Anzacs and Hobarts with two very different CMS and Sydney has already proved that can be done without apparent problems. What would be easier, integrating NSM into a Sea 3000 design or introducing an entirely new SSM?
South Korea's LIG Nex1 to Provide New CIWS-II to ROK Navy - Naval News
The other one that could be interesting is the CIWS, ROK has developed an all new 30mm system known as the LIG Nex1, I could see them pushing it as an alternative to Phalanx on not just the GPF but the Hunters and maybe the Hobarts down the road.
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