UK sailors captured at gunpoint

[aprasadi]

Are you suggesting that President Bush persuaded PM Blair to instruct the RN to order the captain of HMS Corwall to send two unescorted RHIBs with the intention that the crews would be captured in order to start a war? Or have I slightly misunderstood your post?

Cheers

yes you are right. Also US is funding terror groups in Iran

http://snipurl.com/1awh3

 

[aprasadi]

So you would have committed suicide in the face of superior firepower? You obviously have no real knowledge of the military and are just a troll out to cause trouble.

No one's fooled by your nonsense.

:nutkick

Superior fire power....??????nfloorl: who got the superior fire power in gulf the US or Iran. pls correct your knowledge.
OK if you had real knowledge of military tell me wht were the whole aramada of ships, hundreds of helicopter gunships, fighter planes were doing whn they were captured at gun point.


Also the sailors must have informed about the situation( when they were surrounded) immediately to their mother ship. Then after this info also why didnt any military units didnt came to their rescue. The iranian would have atleast taken half hour to reach to there shores.?????

So during this time wht did the US and british armed forces do.

My dear still you have a chance to awaken, get out of dream.
It was preplanned

 

[merocaine]

I can't go through all the posts. Has anyone stated the full capacity of the Iranians? If America attacked, can they survive?

Anyway, EU is useless. This crisis pretty much proves it. It's almost impossible to effect foreign policy without guns, and EU has none. Germans and the French are probably having a good laugh at the EU HQ celebrating the demise of Britannia. They never cared much for the Brits anyway. Try Googling just how much worth of business the Germans and the French are doing with the Iranians. Mucho Euros!

It's really all about the almighty Euro, really. Nothing personal, just Monet.

Maybe you should go through the posts, you might learn something.

 

[aprasadi]

Captain Dale Dye, USMC (ret) said on the radio today

1. taking the Brits hostage was an act of war
2. putting them on TV was a violation of the Geneva Convention.

He opined that Iran probably thought they could drag this out without fear of consequences because they had done so w/ similar acts before. (Not withstanding the previous situation where the Brits were returned.)

He also said that if the hostages were not released that the Brits would respond by the end of the week.

:nono

I hope really the british have so much power that they can take on iran alone. see the staus of royal navy as we have discussed in other forum.

Also this incident shows how much the ground forces have the will to fight back without support of air force.
As we have seen in current wars its become a trend that the airforce must destroy from air and then only the army will conduct further operations. If a road side bomb also goes of in iraq helicopter gunships are brought in for support. Whts the future of ground forces..???????

 

[Waylander]

Have you read anything about this incident?

There is one FFG (HMS Conrwall) in a deep water way near the border to Iran.
It acts as mothership for zodiacs and Helicopters.

One helicopter spotted the target vessel and some zodiacs closed in to search it.
After they began their operation they sended the "ok" and the helicopter went on with its patrol.
Now some Iranian FACs break free from the shore and surround the brits in the zodiacs.
Half of the brits are royal marines with only small arms.
The FACs have at least HMGs.

So what do you do? Fight with glory till death without achieving even one small kill because your zodiac (And yourself) is perforated within milliseconds?

Or aks for the HMS cornwall to open fire with its 114mm gun? This would be as dangerous for you as for them.

Than the FACs and the zodiacs went back to the coast in a tight formation.
What would be your solution? Call in a Hornet (If one aircraft was available) and blow the group out of the water? Nice rescue operation.

For sure the coalition could blow the whole Iranian navy out of the water with ease but this says nothing about this special situation.

@Dae Joyoung

You are aware of the amount of money we make with the UK and the US?
Just try and compare it to what we make with Iran. Or just try to look what percentage of our export (And we are Nr1 in that) goes to Iran...

 

[Dae JoYoung]

Actually, I believe the main reason why the Iranians took the hostages is because Iranians believed US would attack. This may have been the only way of
off setting the whole problem.:nutkick

Nimitz is on it's way to the Persian Gulf at this very moment.

Iranians are really quite smart. They know the history of Western Europe and the fact that Anglo-American vs French and Germans never really got along. They're playing a game of divide and stew. Very smart. Ahmadinejad is a genius! I grant him that. He's playing the game perfectly, whilst Tony Blair looks the fool.

 

[Waylander]

And what would be, according to your sharp logic, the benefit of Iran if the US attack them?

 

[Dae JoYoung]

And what would be, according to your sharp logic, the benefit of Iran if the US attack them?

There's no logic behind G. Bush, he's just crazy. I think he's paranoid at this point. He really wants to go after the nuke facilities in Iran. :nutkick

I also think Bush is angry that Iranians have been meddling in Iraq and screwing things over there. It's the main reason why the Iraq War cannot be won. He's hoping to teach Iranians a lesson, but I don't think that's going to stop the Iranians at all.

 

[Waylander]

Höh?

Your post:

Actually, I believe the main reason why the Iranians took the hostages is because Iranians believed US would attack. This may have been the only way of
off setting the whole problem.

For me this looks like you say that the Iranians took the hostages to provoke an US attack onto them.

What does this has to do with G.W. Bush?

My question was why should the Iranians want an attack onto them? They are not dumb. Do you think they don't know that they cannot hope to defend against an attack of the US (and its allies)?

 

[abramsteve]

There's no logic behind G. Bush, he's just crazy. I think he's paranoid at this point. He really wants to go after the nuke facilities in Iran. :nutkick

I also think Bush is angry that Iranians have been meddling in Iraq and screwing things over there. It's the main reason why the Iraq War cannot be won. He's hoping to teach Iranians a lesson, but I don't think that's going to stop the Iranians at all.

Yea, great answer to Waylanders question. Not

Its becoming the universal answer to all questions, its all because of George Bush...

 

[Dae JoYoung]

Höh?

Your post:


For me this looks like you say that the Iranians took the hostages to provoke an US attack onto them.

What does this has to do with G.W. Bush?

My question was why should the Iranians want an attack onto them? They are not dumb. Do you think they don't know that they cannot hope to defend against an attack of the US (and its allies)?

I think G. Bush was ready to attack Iran. This is a head-fake, hesitation move on the part of Ahmadinejad. It's force G. Bush to rethink. The whole sneak attack that G. Bush planned now has to be scraped because the whole world is watching now.

There's a major carrier maneuvers going on that region right now. It's the largest since the invasion of Iraq.

Ahmadinejad's ambassador recently announced that the world should condemn US actions in that region. They're looking for public sympathy and propaganda to detour what US has planned all along.

 

[Waylander]

As if the world did not watched the region very closely before.
Sneak attack...

And Iran gets no sympathy for such a move.

I still bet on them wanting to exchange some of their people captured in Iraq and disappeared in the last time in Iran.

 

[Galrahn]

Nimitz is on it's way to the Persian Gulf at this very moment.

What does this have to do with anything? The Nimitz deployment has been planned for almost 6 months. It is part of the normal rotation of CVNs. The only surge CVN right now is the Reagan.

I suppose in a few weeks we will be hearing how the USS Bonhomme Richard ESG deployment is a sign of war too, even though it has been scheduled since at least October of 2006?

Don't worry, if something noteworthy in US Naval deployments, someone will let ya know so you can dust off a conspiracy theory.

 

[Musashi_kenshin]

Looks like they're coming home:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6525905.stm

 

[merocaine]

Looks like its all over, the troops are going home as a 'gift to the British people' for easter, what a swell guy.

As an aside, one Iran diplomate released from where ever he was being held in Iraq yesterday, the 5 iranians arrested in Kurdistan 3 months ago, are being given access to there goverment today.

I dare not say what I think has happened for fear of being labeled an Iranian stooge.....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6532193,00.html

 

[merocaine]

@ Musashi_kenshin

11 days longer than I predicted, large helping of humble pie

 

[Musashi_kenshin]

@ Musashi_kenshin

11 days longer than I predicted, large helping of humble pie

No problem - we're all just glad to know they're coming back.

 

[Waylander]

I think I won my bet on their intentions.

A nice old style exchange.

Glad to see the british soldiers coming home!

 

[Musashi_kenshin]

I think I won my bet on their intentions.

A nice old style exchange.

The Americans haven't released anyone yet, only agreed to let the Iranians see their people held in Iraq. There might be a release later, but I'm not sure that will definitely happen in the immediate aftermath of the release of the RN people.

 

[Manfred]

They haven't made it home yet.

Those people are going to have some interesting stories to tell when they get out of there. Maybe it would be a good idea to hold a news confrence BEFORE they are de-breifed, so that there can be no question of coached answers.