Kosovo Conflict

[Waylander]

Why should we let others work with the problems in our own backyard.

For me the Kosovo is the most important mission and the one which looks like it could really work, especially when I compare it to our other missions in Lebanon, Afghanistan, Kongo (Which is now over for us), etc.

 

[Sgt.Banes]

Why should we let others work with the problems in our own backyard.

For me the Kosovo is the most important mission and the one which looks like it could really work, especially when I compare it to our other missions in Lebanon, Afghanistan, Kongo (Which is now over for us), etc.

Whose backyard?

I'm not forsaking the country or the peace process, I'm just looking out for interests of the U.S. military. There is honestly no reason for a large military force present in Serbia. I have faith that a Smaller NATO, and a larger UN force would easily crush any serious out break of violence.

 

[Waylander]

I am talking about the NATO members aside from the US and Kanada.

For european NATO members it is the backyard.

 

[Sgt.Banes]

I am talking about the NATO members aside from the US and Kanada.

For european NATO members it is the backyard.

Well that that's what I was pointing out, I only want U.S. and Western European NATO members to pull out of Serbia. Germany, Poland, and the Dutch can handle the other smaller NATO nations and can work along side UN troops.

 

[Waylander]

Ah, I see.

The problem is that we would need to replace the current troops of other countries and the forces for this are already very stretched.

 

[Sgt.Banes]

Ah, I see.

The problem is that we would need to replace the current troops of other countries and the forces for this are already very stretched.

NATO, can do this by pulling fairly large amounts of their troops. Germany Poland and the Dutch in particular can withdraw from Afghanistan. I know the British and America can handle the situation there, and with the withdrawal from Serbia I know we can deploy troops to the middle east.

 

[Waylander]

Muhahahahaha, I think the rest would love it to see us moving out of A-stan.
(Especially after month of arguing that we don't do enough)

 

[Tasman]

NATO, can do this by pulling fairly large amounts of their troops. Germany Poland and the Dutch in particular can withdraw from Afghanistan. I know the British and America can handle the situation there, and with the withdrawal from Serbia I know we can deploy troops to the middle east.

Australia is currently considering doubling its commitment to Afghanistan as a result of urgent requests from the Afghan government to increase the total number of coalition troops in the country. This is at odds with any suggestion that NATO troops could be withdrawn and the situation handled by British and American forces.

Cheers

 

[Sgt.Banes]

Muhahahahaha, I think the rest would love it to see us moving out of A-stan.
(Especially after month of arguing that we don't do enough)

And I know Germany would love to take over the NATO operations in Serbia.

 

[Sgt.Banes]

Australia is currently considering doubling its commitment to Afghanistan as a result of urgent requests from the Afghan government to increase the total number of coalition troops in the country. This is at odds with any suggestion that NATO troops could be withdrawn and the situation handled by British and American forces.

Cheers

Australia, Great Britain, and America make up most of the NATO force in Afghanistan. The Aussies won't be leaving anytime soon and least not until the Taliban is completely put down.

 

[Waylander]

You also should count Germany with at least 3500 soldiers there even if we do not participate in the south.


And I am sure if the others would offer our government such a gift they would take it.
But this is not going to happen.

And the problem is that many of the troops being freed have to go to the north into the former german zones.
We are now responsible for over 40% of the Afghani population so you just cannot take the troops away from the balkans and put them right into the south.

 

[Sgt.Banes]

You also should count Germany with at least 3500 soldiers there even if we do not participate in the south.


And I am sure if the others would offer our government such a gift they would take it.
But this is not going to happen.

And the problem is that many of the troops being freed have to go to the north into the former german zones.
We are now responsible for over 40% of the Afghani population so you just cannot take the troops away from the balkans and put them right into the south.

I know, it would be a long transition, I mean this idea of mine would be a transitional thing. I would just pull out and re-deploy elsewhere without rest and resupply. Not to mention training for Middle Eastern Conflict.

 

[Waylander]

My point is that you gain nothing from exchanging the german troops in the north with US, British, etc. troops.

What would be the difference?

The troops in the north we have there are just needed.
You gain no additional troops for the fight in the north by exchanging the german troops.

 

[Eggy]

Australia, Great Britain, and America make up most of the NATO force in Afghanistan. The Aussies won't be leaving anytime soon and least not until the Taliban is completely put down.

Not really.

The US, Canada, UK, Netherlands, Germany, France and Italy all have 2000 or more troops in Afghanistan. The first four in the south and the others in the rest of the country.

 

[bloody]

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.......let all troops from Bosnia send to Kosovo ..........and all troops from Kosovo send to A-tan ......... i propose EU troops take security on Kosovo ........
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[Sgt.Banes]

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.......let all troops from Bosnia send to Kosovo ..........and all troops from Kosovo send to A-tan ......... i propose EU troops take security on Kosovo ........
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But the E.U. doesn't have troops. As useful as it would be to allow a European Military to handle all European military problems it honestly wouldn't be practical.

 

[Sgt.Banes]

Not really.

The US, Canada, UK, Netherlands, Germany, France and Italy all have 2000 or more troops in Afghanistan. The first four in the south and the others in the rest of the country.

I forgot that the Italians and the French were even in Afghanistan.

 

[petrac]

In my opinion the course taken in all of the former Yugoslavia is the right one and we should not change tactics there. In the end the commitments in Kosovo will evolve in a Macedonia-style operation, leaving for partial troop reductions.

I strongly oppose withdrawing troops from certain countries, esspecially the USA. This will cause decreased European and Balkan support for the whole oepration and esspecially the US as they will be seen 'abandoning' the whole area. The Us still has troops in Yugoslavia, only not the amount of numbers as in 1996.

As for moving these troops to Afghanistan, in my opinion the current strategy is working in Afghanistan. OK, more troops are nice, but there are politics to consider as well.
Simply suggesting to have the smaller NATO countries (like The Netherlands) simply pull out of Afghanistan and let the US and Britain handle it there is a dangerous course of action. The smaller countries are doing a good job in these area's and bring in wanted expertise and energy to the Afghanistan cause.
This operation is a joint effort, we need troops from more countries instead of less countries, esspecially for build-up activities, not only for warfighting.

 

[Sgt.Banes]

In my opinion the course taken in all of the former Yugoslavia is the right one and we should not change tactics there. In the end the commitments in Kosovo will evolve in a Macedonia-style operation, leaving for partial troop reductions.

I strongly oppose withdrawing troops from certain countries, esspecially the USA. This will cause decreased European and Balkan support for the whole oepration and esspecially the US as they will be seen 'abandoning' the whole area. The Us still has troops in Yugoslavia, only not the amount of numbers as in 1996.

As for moving these troops to Afghanistan, in my opinion the current strategy is working in Afghanistan. OK, more troops are nice, but there are politics to consider as well.
Simply suggesting to have the smaller NATO countries (like The Netherlands) simply pull out of Afghanistan and let the US and Britain handle it there is a dangerous course of action. The smaller countries are doing a good job in these area's and bring in wanted expertise and energy to the Afghanistan cause.
This operation is a joint effort, we need troops from more countries instead of less countries, esspecially for build-up activities, not only for warfighting.

That's the thing their aren't enough countries wiling to give up their troops for any Coalition or Military Alliance. The situation in Kosovo is in more or less good shape than say 6 or 8 years ago. But beyond the advent of the UN/NATO victory is there really need for large military forces (mainly U.S. troops) to bore away in Kosovo now that Yugoslav troops have been kicked out. Afghanistan on the other hand is fairly peachy, but could use more "American Muscle" or to put it in blunt terms a surge. With a troop surge in Afghanistan we can finally stomp out the Taliban in the mountainous regions. And we have fresh numbers of troops who didn't get a chance to shoot in Kosovo, and would love to take on the rag tag resistance of the Taliban.

 

[Grand Danois]

IIRC there are 2,000 US personnel in KFOR. It's not an US mission.

Regarding alliances. Read up on ESDP.

And it doesn't work the way you describe it.