How to properly exit Iraq?

[radiosilence]

Close it, if you cant play nice you dont get Baghdad:unknown

How do we do that?



As far as dividing Iraq goes thats nearly impossible since all the 18 provinces have mixed populations including Baghdad and most of the major cities in Iraq.

 

[olkiej]

How do we do that?



As far as dividing Iraq goes thats nearly impossible since all the 18 provinces have mixed populations including Baghdad and most of the major cities in Iraq.

i agree on this, i admit it's really impossible, the only hope for the poeple of Iraq and the US millitary operating in Iraq is stay there and hope for improvements.

 

[eckherl]

i agree on this, i admit it's really impossible, the only hope for the poeple of Iraq and the US millitary operating in Iraq is stay there and hope for improvements.

And how long do you think that we should stay the course and hope for improvements, do you think at this point that the U.S can accomplish this on it`s own.

 

[Big-E]

There is a way to partition Iraq but it requires forced movement.

 

[merocaine]

There is a way to partition Iraq but it requires forced movement

thats already happening, i dont have a link but the UN has pretty indept figures on population movements in Iraq, death squads and Insurgents are doing there work.

 

[DragonKing786]

Partioning would be a very bad thing., with the influence that Iran has on Southern Iraq imagine if it splits to make a seperate country and the oil disruption.

 

[FutureTank]

And how long do you think that we should stay the course and hope for improvements, do you think at this point that the U.S can accomplish this on it`s own.

I DO think US CAN accomplish this, BUT not by fighting 'harder' with more troops and resources.

thats already happening, i dont have a link but the UN has pretty indept figures on population movements in Iraq, death squads and Insurgents are doing there work.

Devision of population is just another way to set up a regional conflict in the medium to long term...just a matter of time.

 

[merocaine]

Devision of population is just another way to set up a regional conflict in the medium to long term...just a matter of time.

yeah thats pretty much what happened in yugoslavia, first the people seperated, then they went to war.

 

[eckherl]

I DO think US CAN accomplish this, BUT not by fighting 'harder' with more troops and resources.



Devision of population is just another way to set up a regional conflict in the medium to long term...just a matter of time.

I agree that we have to stop sending additional manpower amd equipment, but how would we accomplish this.

 

[RA1911]

To me there's only two options. Leave completely or increase manpower. Both have uncertain outcomes. The wild cards are the neighbouring countries.

 

[Waylander]

At this point I would tell the new Iraqi government that you have two years to get your military trained and eliminate all the corruption, aiding and supporting the same turds that are killing Americans and their own people. After two years we will only be there as advisors only, this way we can save some face and get out of there and start placing the burden back on the Iraqi government, if they fail so be it, let the Middle Eastern countries deal with them along with the Europeans, Iran will prosper from this military blunder that my country embarked on, lets see if Europe is willing to have a Middle Eastern country like Iran with missles that can reach out and touch them.

Why should the europeans deal with it?
And how?
It is not as if our think tanks, governments, population, etc. knew what to do in this big mess.

Maybe some sort of Mad Max. Close the borders of Iraq and see what happens. Three go in and one is coming out of it.

 

[Big-E]

Partioning would be a very bad thing., with the influence that Iran has on Southern Iraq imagine if it splits to make a seperate country and the oil disruption.

With partitioning the local militias will all be of the same kind. This will make the retribution killings come to an end as there will be clear demarcation lines of ethnicity. The militias will be able to defend and police their areas knowing who is who. When this occurs the US can conduct operations like we are supposed to. The enemy will be clearly visable. Iranian subterfuge will always be a problem but I don't see partitioning making it any worse or better.

 

[t68]

iam no expert but have been reading this and watching but i think big e is on to some thing, might be a step in the right direction

tom

 

[tomahawk6]

I dont see partition as something that will become reality. Partition would leave the sunni's without oil and would probably be annexed by Syria or Saudi Arabia. The Kurds would be vulnerable to both the Iranian's and Turk's.We would have to do some real arm twisting to keep the Turks out and probably use CAS to force the Iranians to back off. Not a good scenario compared to what we have now. All sides have a vested interest to keep the country intact and work together toward effective government, but nothing positive will happen until Sadr and his gunmen is removed from the picture that will be the prime mission of US forces early next year.

 

[Big-E]

Sometimes you just have face the reality that British colonial borders aren't going to work. It's not the first time thats happened.

 

[Pathfinder-X]

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush asked his new secretary of defense to draw up plans to increase the overall size of the Army and the Marines, according to an interview with the president published Tuesday in the Washington Post.

"I'm inclined to believe that we do need to increase our troops -- the Army, the Marines," Bush said.

"And I talked about this to Secretary Gates and he is going to spend some time talking to the folks in the building, come back with a recommendation to me about how to proceed forward on this idea."

Senior administration officials said the timing of the president's comments is connected with Washington's oncoming budget season, and that the president intends for such plans to be part of the fiscal 2008 budget.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/12/19/bush.troops/index.html

The training and deployment of local Iraqi forces are not sufficient to deal with the increasing religiouis violence perhaps?

 

[olkiej]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/12/19/bush.troops/index.html

The training and deployment of local Iraqi forces are not sufficient to deal with the increasing religiouis violence perhaps?

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[FutureTank]

I agree that we have to stop sending additional manpower amd equipment, but how would we accomplish this.

I am not going to give the answer out here in a public forum.

However I will point out that according to my calculations there are already over 400,000 US personnel involved in the Iraq operations. The media is only counting the troops IN Iraq, but it takse a lot to support them half way around the World.

To do the job properly in Iraq would IMHO require over 400,000 troops IN Irag, and may require over a million US service personnel committed to the operation overall. Adding another 30,000 will not make a significant difference.

Somone in the Pentagon/White House needs to read up on the 'indirect approach'. :smooth

 

[caksz]

My plan could be very costful , left the current city and town and build new one with barb wired around, walls and observe post of course with utilities and job.

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what the hell , well equiped insurgents .... the flow of arms need to be stop.

 

[eckherl]

I am not going to give the answer out here in a public forum.

However I will point out that according to my calculations there are already over 400,000 US personnel involved in the Iraq operations. The media is only counting the troops IN Iraq, but it takse a lot to support them half way around the World.

To do the job properly in Iraq would IMHO require over 400,000 troops IN Irag, and may require over a million US service personnel committed to the operation overall. Adding another 30,000 will not make a significant difference.

Somone in the Pentagon/White House needs to read up on the 'indirect approach'. :smooth

With that number of troops required, we would need assistance fron other countries, and you know how great that has panned out for the U.S.