Performance of the Merkava in Lebenon

[Waylander]

Jup.
Some IDS/RECCE Tornados would be just perfect for air support, recon missions and sea patrol.

 

[eckherl]

You don't hear much good about the Stryker's performance in Iraq. The crews seem rather unsatisfied and i heard people call it a "death trap" and "coffin on wheels" and stuff like that.
I don't know what the specific problem is, (besides that i heard that crews are adding additional armour plates in their free time and there are even private organisations in the USA collecting money to buy extra armour for the Humvee and especially the Stryker), but considering that the Israelis will use it in pretty much the same terrain and under the same conditions as the US Army in Iraq, they might reconsider their order, given the bad publicity and advertisement.

Are the Strykers in use in Afghanistan too and if yes, how are they doing there?

edit:
The bad things i heard about the Stryker came mostly from chatting with soldiers and ex-soldiers and from a few tv reports on Iraq.
I only found one source i could link here now:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14284-2005Mar30.html?sub=AR

Who told you that the troops do not like their Strikers, the reports that I am getting is that they want more of them, as far as adding additional armor, this is being controled at Army depot levels over there. You cannot take armor vehicles into any type of urban setting and expect that you are not going to lose vehicles, I do not care what country you are from, the Russians suffered also in Checnya, and some of the urban vehicles that they are experimenting with are beefed up tank hulls with weapons platforms ie:chain guns or auto cannons. A RPG - 7 round will take out a M1A1 if you hit it in the rear grill area and any other tank for that matter. The U.S Army likes it`s Striker vehicles and they have many different models that will be coming out.

 

[psyclops]

I would guess that most of the people dissatisfied with the Stryker are those who forget that its mission is to provide mobility for light infantry, and should thus be compared to HMMWVs, not Bradleys or Abrams or VCBIs or any sort of heavily-armored vehicle. That having been said, one soldier who had used both preferred using the Stryker in Iraq over the Bradley in part because the ride was so much better that his and his troops' situational awareness was better when it came time to debus.

On a different note, didn't the Israelis back off from their plan to order Strykers? Budget concerns, I was thinking, but I can't remember where I saw it, so I could be wrong.

 

[eckherl]

I would guess that most of the people dissatisfied with the Stryker are those who forget that its mission is to provide mobility for light infantry, and should thus be compared to HMMWVs, not Bradleys or Abrams or VCBIs or any sort of heavily-armored vehicle. That having been said, one soldier who had used both preferred using the Stryker in Iraq over the Bradley in part because the ride was so much better that his and his troops' situational awareness was better when it came time to debus.

On a different note, didn't the Israelis back off from their plan to order Strykers? Budget concerns, I was thinking, but I can't remember where I saw it, so I could be wrong.

Right now they are pretty much re evaluating alot of things with the recent events in Lebanon, it`ll be interesting to see what gets shaken up over there.

 

[oskarm]

OT

40 Centauro 8x8 120mm and 40 Puma 6x6 for each regiment)

I didn't know that you have Centauro with 120mm Guns. I thought you have only 105mm. Are 120mm Centauros replacing Leopards 1? Could you provide us with more specific TO&E of this kind regiments?

 

[eckherl]

OT


I didn't know that you have Centauro with 120mm Guns. I thought you have only 105mm. Are 120mm Centauros replacing Leopards 1? Could you provide us with more specific TO&E of this kind regiments?

You are correct - it carries a 105mm with 40 rounds of ammunition. Italy considers them as tank destroyers.

 

[icelord]

Who told you that the troops do not like their Strikers, the reports that I am getting is that they want more of them, as far as adding additional armor, this is being controled at Army depot levels over there. You cannot take armor vehicles into any type of urban setting and expect that you are not going to lose vehicles, I do not care what country you are from, the Russians suffered also in Checnya, and some of the urban vehicles that they are experimenting with are beefed up tank hulls with weapons platforms ie:chain guns or auto cannons. A RPG - 7 round will take out a M1A1 if you hit it in the rear grill area and any other tank for that matter. The U.S Army likes it`s Striker vehicles and they have many different models that will be coming out.

This is on more
It goes through the lessons from Iraq, a good read and the attacehed links give a good idea of the troops opinions, of course some people will hate it, but they would prefer to remain on base too.
Our October 2005 article "M1126 Strykers in Combat: Experiences & Lessons" offered a review of the Stryker armored personnel carrier's performance in Iraq. That performance came as a surprise to a number of individuals - including their commanders in some instances.

What follows is a transcript from the US Army's recent "Warrior's Corner" series (Oct 3/06). The presentation by Brigadier General Carter Ham, available in synchronized audio and Power Point, is titled "Stryker: Meeting the Challenge in Iraq." Brig.-Gen. Ham served with two of the Stryker Brigades, both at Fort Lewis, WA in 2003 and in Iraq during 2004. His views would appear to mesh with the Army's official position, but they are very definitely his own as well.

 

[eckherl]

This is on
It goes through the lessons from Iraq, a good read and the attacehed links give a good idea of the troops opinions, of course some people will hate it, but they would prefer to remain on base too.
Our October 2005 article "M1126 Strykers in Combat: Experiences & Lessons" offered a review of the Stryker armored personnel carrier's performance in Iraq. That performance came as a surprise to a numbeve r of individuals - including their commanders in some instances.

What follows is a transcript from the US Army's recent "Warrior's Corner" series (Oct 3/06). The presentation by Brigadier General Carter Ham, available in synchronized audio and Power Point, is titled "Stryker: Meeting the Challenge in Iraq." Brig.-Gen. Ham served with two of the Stryker Brigades, both at Fort Lewis, WA in 2003 and in Iraq during 2004. His views would appear to mesh with the Army's official position, but they are very definitely his own as well.

Good reading material, I have a friend that just rotated back to the states and has entered civilian life, he served on a stryker and fell in love with it, he was combat infantry and for the mission over there he stated that it was alot better being on one these versus a Bradley ie: smoother ride, better visibility.