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aaaditya

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hey guys here is an interesting news article highlighting the goals of indo-us naval cooperation.

here check out this link:

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200609260922.htm

'India, US aligned in maintaining open access to sea'

Washington, Sept. 26 (PTI): Maintaining free and open access to the sea is an important and critical challenge and in this regard the navies of India and the United States are "very closely aligned", Admiral Gary Roughead,the Commander of the American Pacific Fleet, said.
Speaking at the Washington Foreign Press Center, he said: "One of the reasons we have been very effective in operating together and looking to the future is because we see the challenges that we face on the Oceans, on the sea lanes and the importance of keeping those open".
The top American Navy official was recently in India. He said discussions with his counterparts were comprehensive that included future operations, exercises and exchanges. "I remain very impressed with the Indian Navy", he said.
There was a highly personal element to the Admiral's visit to India recently- he wanted to track down the house he lived in as a youngster in Mumbai. "I went to visit my house and I found it. It was wonderful to go back eventhough I was a young boy. Many memories came floating back" Admiral Roughead recalled even while making the point that his former house is no longer in the remote area of Mumbai it once was. "Mumbai has expanded so much. There is so much energy" he commented.
The Commander of the Pacific Fleet was all praise for the fashion in which the Malabar exercises were going and said that this series of exercises will not only continue but also look at the prospect of advancing these. For example this year the Admiral pointed out India and the United States will be doing some expeditionary warfare training which takes on additional significance because the United States is transferring one of its amphibious ships to India-the USS Trenton.
The USS Trenton, the Admiral explained, will give capability to the Indian Navy to move troops and equipment to great distances and having the ability to remaining off shore for a prolonged period of time and in the ability as well of moving smaller boats in and out. The transfer is expected to take place sometime this December.
"Apart from Malabar exercises, we are also looking at exercises at a more short term notice which I think navies that are as capable as the Indian Navy and the US Navy we can do that. In fact we did that with aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan at short notice" Admiral Roughead remarked going on to praise the role of an Indian medical team of about 19 persons getting on board USNS Mercy at very short notice when it was recently in South and South East Asia.
Admiral Roughead also expressed the hope that Indian Navy Observers could come and watch the Rim of the Pacific Exercises off Hawaii. "I am hopeful that the Indian Navy could perhaps join us and conduct an exercise perhaps in 2008", the Pacific Fleet Commander said.
"It is so apparent that our two navies share so many common interests and see the world in much the same way and are committed to maintaining safe and secure sea lanes, and safe and secure oceans so that we can get to enjoy prosperity that is vitally so important", he said. The Pacific Fleet Commander emphasized the criticality of all navies to be willing to operate and participate in ways to build the "Maritime Demand Awareness" that not only has the ability to share information so that navies in the region have a better sense of ensuring the sea lanes of communications but also the ability of navies to "collectively" gather for humanitarian assistance and disaster relief.
 

aaaditya

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hey guys great news ,the indian coast guard will soon be inducting a new patrol vessel named as cgs meera ben ,this vessel is to be based at the okha port in gujarat ,taking the coast guard presence in gujarat to 17 ships and 1 vessel.

here check out this link:


On the eve of Gandhi Jayanti, the Indian Coast Guard said that it will, on Monday, induct a sophisticated patrol vessel named after Meera Behn, a foreigner who voluntarily adopted a life dedicated to Gandhian values.

The vessel, to be stationed at Gujarat's Okha port, will enhance the Coast Guard's efficiency in combating piracy, apprehending drug traffickers and preventing infiltration of insurgents, District Operations and Plans Officer B K Singh said.

The ship is designed to project the Coast Guard as a leading maritime force in the subcontinent, he said.

The new induction will swell the Coast Guard's fleet strength in Gujarat to 17 ships and a craft
 
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aaaditya, please post link for the above. Also, try posting the ACTUAL URL ( the This newsreport is being retreived from... part, listed on top of BR linked article page )of the news rather than a framed page.

Thank You.
 

aaaditya

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hey guys here is another interesting article about indian navy's fleet expansion programme,they are aiming for 90% indiginisation content (i believe currently the level of indiginisation content is around 70%).

here check out this link and article:

http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1056697

KOCHI: The Indian Navy will increase its fleet strength by acquiring several ships, submarines and aircraft besides developing infrastructure to ensure that by the end of the decade it would be a force to reckon with, Chief of Naval Staff, Admiral Arun Prakash, said on Wednesday.
Addressing the Naval personnel here after inspecting a 50-man 'Nishan Guard' (Guard of Honour with the President's colours) and the 36 platoons on parade, he said that the significant point was that most of these acquisitions would have about 90 percent indigenous component.
He also spoke on the networking of the navy which will facilitate all naval units to share information using Computer and Satellite once the project is completed.
He said that the navy has to be strong and powerful to counter threats at sea including piracy and gun running.

 

aaaditya

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hey guys check out this link,seems that it will take the indian navy 3 years acquire it's maritime patrol aircraft , i believe the the russian il38 and the bears would last for atleast another decade.i believe india is most interested in acquiring the boeing p8mma and are just waiting for the project development to be completed.

here check out this link and article:

http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=420566

Navy says 3 years needed to replace survillance aircraft

MUMBAI, OCT 4 (PTI) Indian Navy would take at least three more years to complete aircraft acquisition to replace its ageing Russian-made survilliance and reconnaissance airplanes, Navy Chief Admiral Arun Prakash said here today.

"We have floated Request for Proposals and got responses. Currently, different proposals are being evaluated. Though we are planning to complete the proceedings as soon as possible, it would take at least three years from now to make the final selection and delivery," he told reporters.

Several foreign firms, including the US' largest military hardware supplier Lockheed Martin are in the race to sell their aircrfat to India.

Asked whether the country was losing its strategic edge to its rivals, Admiral Prakash said he would not like to compare the Indian Navy with others.

"We plan to look after the country's maritime interests on a longer time. We don't compare ourselves with any Navies. Our force planning is on a much longer time scale," he said.

The Navy chief described as "completely baseless" the allegations against him related to Scorpene submarine acquisition.

"I look at those allegations with complete surprise. Those are totally false and farbicated," he said.
 

aaaditya

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hey guys here is an image of the indian p15a bangalore class of stealth missile destroyer ,this is just a model unveiled at the defendory 2006 defence exhibition.

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Grand Danois

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aaaditya said:
hey guys here is an image of the indian p15a bangalore class of stealth missile destroyer ,this is just a model unveiled at the defendory 2006 defence exhibition.
Can't access that link.
 
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powerslavenegi

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kams said:
Its a model, here is the pic. I won't call it Stealth :) .
If you are saying so by just looking at the picture you might be missing on some key aspects,for we do not know what sort of thermal and electronic signature suppresing measures would be incorporated apart from structural measures.I am looking forward to the kind of weapons package that it is gonna incorporate along with it's AEW and Anti-missile capabilities.
 

contedicavour

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kams said:
Its a model, here is the pic. I won't call it Stealth :) .
The pic is small but I don't see the Israeli Star radar... so it's still Russian equipment for improved Shtil SAMs (though at least we do have VLS at last for them).
Other than that, quite an improvement on already good Delhi (area defence left aside)

cheers
 

kams

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Grand Danois said:
But it has some RCS reduction features. But no bow mounted sonar?
Yes but its not a true stealth destroyer. Please Don't take this model too seriously as an example of P-15A. This model was diplayed in Brahmos booth to highlight different Brahmos configurations, not to highlight P-15A.
PSN
If you are saying so by just looking at the picture you might be missing on some key aspects,for we do not know what sort of thermal and electronic signature suppresing measures would be incorporated apart from structural measures.I am looking forward to the kind of weapons package that it is gonna incorporate along with it's AEW and Anti-missile capabilities
What I meant is superstructure is still cluttered. It may have some RCS reduction compared to P-15, but it's no way a true stealth vessel.

The pic is small but I don't see the Israeli Star radar... so it's still Russian equipment for improved Shtil SAMs (though at least we do have VLS at last for them).
Looks like russian Topplate radar and Shitil VLS and Brahmos VLS.
 

tatra

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kams said:
Yes but its not a true stealth destroyer. Please Don't take this model too seriously as an example of P-15A. This model was diplayed in Brahmos booth to highlight different Brahmos configurations, not to highlight P-15A.
PSN


What I meant is superstructure is still cluttered. It may have some RCS reduction compared to P-15, but it's no way a true stealth vessel.



Looks like russian Topplate radar and Shitil VLS and Brahmos VLS.
It's the fall back scenario. Best case being Barak 12 MR-SAM and Israeli M-Star....
 

Grand Danois

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tatra said:
What's wrong with a hull mounted sonar (forward)
Limited field of view for ASW and minedetection in the littorals.

Edit: Found this piece on ACIG.org, and it makes me wonder why you can't use hull mounted sonar in both active and passive mode "at once." Sounds weird to me.

1) Bow mounted sonars are today mounted on most frigates and destroyers, since they are rather easy to incorporate and do not require any adaptations that might have adverse effects on the construction of the ship.

In general, all bow mounted sonars can be used in both, active and passive modes. They are usually installed in the bulb of the ship, but have the disadvantage of suffering to flow noise. This means that the faster the ship is moving the faster the water passed down the bow, and the bulb is more likely to cause the flow noise, which covers any external noises, making them harder to detect. High speed movements of the ship also create air bubbles in water surrounding the bow: air is especially bad then it bounces sound waves off.

Another problem connected with ship movement is that of machinery noise. Every ship is getting noisier the faster it moves, causing air bubbles to snap in the water, cavitation of propellers, louder engine noises etc. Therefore, slower speeds are advised for submarine hunting.

2) Hull mounter sonars are usually mounted just behind the bow, at about one third of the hull down from the bow. This position offers the advantage that there is nothing that creates air bubbles – like the bulb in which the bow mounted sonars are usually positioned. Yet, the disadvantage is that hull mounted sonars detoriate the ship’s hydrodynamic form, suffer from additional flow noise, and have a limited field of “view”. Specifically, under specific conditions, hull mounted sonars cannot detect submarines operating near the bottom of the sea. They can also not be used in both, the passive and active modes at once.
 
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kams

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Indian Navy declines to buy British Harriers

The Indian Navy has declined to buy eight British Sea Harrier FA.2 fighter jets that were phased out of the Royal Navy in March 2006.

According to a report in the October issue of the defence magazine India Strategic, the eight Harriers, which were also the last to serve the Royal Navy, were on offer but without some vital components like missiles and the Blue Vixen fire control radar. The prime consideration was to use them to train pilots and to fill in the gaps caused by the loss of six Harriers in the Indian Navy due to accidents spread over more than 20 years.

Indian Navy pilots and defence ministry representatives inspected and assessed the aircraft for technical and financial evaluation but it was decided not to go in for them as the jets needed considerable expense in upgrading their avionics and arming them.

Published reports indicate that India has 22 Sea Harriers, 16 of them being the FRS.51 fighter version. They are to be gradually replaced by MiG-29K aircraft, some 40 to 50 of which are likely to be acquired from Russia.

India has already contracted to buy 16 MiG-29Ks as part of the deal with Russia to acquire the aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov, renamed INS Vikramaditya, but more such aircraft would be needed as the Indian Navy grows to its required size and capability.

As for the Royal Navy Harriers, the Indian Navy was initially enthusiastic, but then felt that "devoid of their offensive systems, they wouldn't be of much use". For training "the navy is already considering either the BAe Hawks or Boeing/BAe Goshawks", a source said.

Indian Navy pilots are now being given advanced carrier takeoff and landing training at the US Navy's Pensacola facility to prepare them for the arrival of Gorshkov and MiG-29Ks.

This had become necessary as ironically, the Russians were unable to offer matching training facilities although they sold both the aircraft carrier and the MiG-29K jets.

Harrier jets played a decisive and proven role in the Falklands crisis of 1982. The last naval variant, the FA.2, was armed with US AIM 20 AMRAAM (advanced medium range air-to-air missile) and the Ferranti ARI.50019 Blue Vixen radar that enabled it to engage four targets simultaneously.

India had decided to buy the Harriers in the mid-1970s as part of its efforts to build a blue water navy, while their actual deliveries began in 1983.

The Indian Navy's 16 Sea Harrier FRS.51 fighter versions are now under a midlife upgrade with new air-to-air missiles as well as helmet-mounted target acquisition sights.

The Indian Navy Harriers originally were equipped with the Ferranti Blue Fox radar that had poor "look-down" capability compared to the Blue Vixen of the British Navy.

The Indian Navy plans to use the Sea Harriers till around 2020.

Engines for Indian Sea Harriers were supplied by Rolls Royce while the aircraft have been maintained and upgraded - as prime contractor - by the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).
Indian Navy declines to buy British Harriers

Guess they don't want to spend a bunch of money on something which will be replaced by 2020.
 

aaaditya

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i would still consider the small,highly manouverable sea harrier equipped with the israeli el-m-2032 radar ,israeli avionics and derby and python-5 missiles to be apotent and low cost solution for indian navy particularly taking into considerations the capabilities of our neighbours.

i still believe that indian navy should go for the sea harriers.
 

contedicavour

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i would still consider the small,highly manouverable sea harrier equipped with the israeli el-m-2032 radar ,israeli avionics and derby and python-5 missiles to be apotent and low cost solution for indian navy particularly taking into considerations the capabilities of our neighbours.

i still believe that indian navy should go for the sea harriers.
I wonder why the RN radar and Amraam missiles should be off limits to India... after all the US is proposing Super Hornets to India !? and I don't conceive how you could propose F18E/F without Amraams :confused:
I think the Sea Harrier deal was a good one if the jets had been delivered as such. Modernizing them extensively by installing Israeli radars and missiles is a bit too expensive relative to remaining service life available.

cheers
 

aaaditya

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I wonder why the RN radar and Amraam missiles should be off limits to India... after all the US is proposing Super Hornets to India !? and I don't conceive how you could propose F18E/F without Amraams :confused:
I think the Sea Harrier deal was a good one if the jets had been delivered as such. Modernizing them extensively by installing Israeli radars and missiles is a bit too expensive relative to remaining service life available.

cheers
i believe rn has a shortage of the amraam missiles ,besides acquiring a small number of amraam missiles would be problematic and would add to the inventory of the indian navy which had already selected the israeli derby and python-5 missiles as their standard air to air missiles.there was never any intention of integrating the amraam onto the sea harrier ,the original plan envisioned the integration of the python-5 and derby with the israeli radar on the sea harrier.
 
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