Finally got around to reading the IIP and the NDS. Was interesting to note that whilst the IIP just states that the c27 will be replaced, the NDS specifically says it will be replaced by a "commercial aircraft fleet to support personnel and logistics transport across the Pacific." Sounds very much like this aircraft doesn't have a frontline / wartime role of any description
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Would the retirement of the spartan and the replacement being a commercial aircraft as stated by defence. Would this purely mean a new type of commercial aircraft is to be acquired by the RAAF or will this be contracted out?
I hope it’s a new acquisition and something like atr 72 600 is looked at. What would be other realistic aircraft operating in the region with the support set up for lost cost operations and parts etc.
I hope it’s a new acquisition and something like atr 72 600 is looked at. What would be other realistic aircraft operating in the region with the support set up for lost cost operations and parts etc.
Leonardo wins Malaysian MPA contract - Australian Defence Magazine
Leonardo will supply the Royal Malaysian Air Force with two ATR 72MPA maritime patrol aircraft to bolster the country’s maritime surveillance capabilities.
www.australiandefence.com.au
it has the capacity to be upgraded to military standards if required and used by the Phillipines and commercial airlines in the region.
MC-208 Guardian™ from MAG Aerospace
Whether ISR, precision strike, air mobility, or casualty evacuation, the MAG MC-208 Guardian is mission-ready without the need to be reconfigured.
mc208guardian.com
Or a mix of Cessna type aircraft likethe mc208 which is a cheap but very flexible aircraft.
Are we going to resurrect the GAF Nomad?MC-208 Guardian™ from MAG Aerospace
Whether ISR, precision strike, air mobility, or casualty evacuation, the MAG MC-208 Guardian is mission-ready without the need to be reconfigured.
Or a mix of Cessna type aircraft likethe mc208 which is a cheap but very flexible aircraft.
Cheers S.
MARKMILES77
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Boeing Defence has revealed their new version of the JDAM, the JDAM-LR.
It was created by adding a Technical Directions TDI-185 turbine to the standard JDAM-ER.
The project was a collaboration between Boeing Defense and Ferra Engineering Australia.
The addition of the turbine increases the range of the standard JDAM-ER by 200 Nautical Miles,
meaning it should have a range of around 450km.
It has already been sucessfully test fired from Super Hornets.
This has to be a no brainer for manufacture in Australia as part of the GWEO.
Australia already manufactures the 500Ib bombs and Ferra makes the wing kits in Australia.
The cost is likely a fraction of the cost of a cruise missile with similiar capability such as JASSM.
www.dvidshub.net
It was created by adding a Technical Directions TDI-185 turbine to the standard JDAM-ER.
The project was a collaboration between Boeing Defense and Ferra Engineering Australia.
The addition of the turbine increases the range of the standard JDAM-ER by 200 Nautical Miles,
meaning it should have a range of around 450km.
It has already been sucessfully test fired from Super Hornets.
This has to be a no brainer for manufacture in Australia as part of the GWEO.
Australia already manufactures the 500Ib bombs and Ferra makes the wing kits in Australia.
The cost is likely a fraction of the cost of a cruise missile with similiar capability such as JASSM.
New JDAM LR capability completes successful demonstration flights; milestone achievement for long-range naval strike
The Navy recently demonstrated the new Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) Long Range (LR) variant in early April, marking a significant milestone in bringing a new option for affordable, producible, standoff strike capability to the Carrier Air Wing.
Red Bull gives you wings. But Rum gives you 4x4 wheel drive.Boeing Defence has revealed their new version of the JDAM, the JDAM-LR.
It was created by adding a Technical Directions TDI-185 turbine to the standard JDAM-ER.
The project was a collaboration between Boeing Defense and Ferra Engineering Australia.
The addition of the turbine increases the range of the standard JDAM-ER by 200 Nautical Miles,
meaning it should have a range of around 450km.
It has already been sucessfully test fired from Super Hornets.
This has to be a no brainer for manufacture in Australia as part of the GWEO.
Australia already manufactures the 500Ib bombs and Ferra makes the wing kits in Australia.
The cost is likely a fraction of the cost of a cruise missile with similiar capability such as JASSM.
View attachment 54725New JDAM LR capability completes successful demonstration flights; milestone achievement for long-range naval strike
The Navy recently demonstrated the new Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) Long Range (LR) variant in early April, marking a significant milestone in bringing a new option for affordable, producible, standoff strike capability to the Carrier Air Wing.
View attachment 54726
Funny you should say that, GippsAero own the Type Certificate so never say never.Are we going to resurrect the GAF Nomad?
Cheers S.
Something like a Cessna Caravan or Twin Otter would probably be ideal, especially if you operate them as spokes into remote areas with C-130's or A330's flying into the nearest large airport.
You can put floats onto both the Caravan or Twin Otter if required as well.
Let’s be careful with words. JASSM family bring a 1000lb class penetrating warhead wiith terminal aimpoint selection in a LO survivable body.Boeing Defence has revealed their new version of the JDAM, the JDAM-LR.
It was created by adding a Technical Directions TDI-185 turbine to the standard JDAM-ER.
The project was a collaboration between Boeing Defense and Ferra Engineering Australia.
The addition of the turbine increases the range of the standard JDAM-ER by 200 Nautical Miles,
meaning it should have a range of around 450km.
It has already been sucessfully test fired from Super Hornets.
This has to be a no brainer for manufacture in Australia as part of the GWEO.
Australia already manufactures the 500Ib bombs and Ferra makes the wing kits in Australia.
The cost is likely a fraction of the cost of a cruise missile with similiar capability such as JASSM.
View attachment 54725New JDAM LR capability completes successful demonstration flights; milestone achievement for long-range naval strike
The Navy recently demonstrated the new Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) Long Range (LR) variant in early April, marking a significant milestone in bringing a new option for affordable, producible, standoff strike capability to the Carrier Air Wing.
View attachment 54726
the other brings low cost, standoff and mass.
Not at all similar, but I’d argue very complimentary capabilities.
JASSM and JDAM are complimentary, not “similar” capabilities.Boeing Defence has revealed their new version of the JDAM, the JDAM-LR.
It was created by adding a Technical Directions TDI-185 turbine to the standard JDAM-ER.
The project was a collaboration between Boeing Defense and Ferra Engineering Australia.
The addition of the turbine increases the range of the standard JDAM-ER by 200 Nautical Miles,
meaning it should have a range of around 450km.
It has already been sucessfully test fired from Super Hornets.
This has to be a no brainer for manufacture in Australia as part of the GWEO.
Australia already manufactures the 500Ib bombs and Ferra makes the wing kits in Australia.
The cost is likely a fraction of the cost of a cruise missile with similiar capability such as JASSM.
View attachment 54725New JDAM LR capability completes successful demonstration flights; milestone achievement for long-range naval strike
The Navy recently demonstrated the new Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) Long Range (LR) variant in early April, marking a significant milestone in bringing a new option for affordable, producible, standoff strike capability to the Carrier Air Wing.
View attachment 54726
Their commonality is in delivering HE to a certain distance.
But lets not pretend a JDAM with a motor in anyway compares to the capability a low observable cruise missile brings.
MARKMILES77
Well-Known Member
JASSM and JDAM-LR are both air-launched, winged, turbine powered, subsonic, precision-guided munitions with the ability to maneuvre in flight path and altitude and both with large warheads, designed for standoff strike at a range of roughly 450kms.
But I get your point that they have no similarities.
JDAM does not have the ability to maneuver in flight, the wings are for range, not agility.
It is not autonomous, does not used advanced routing, nor EW resistant guidance methods, it does not employ your “tactically adept” description of it’s flight profile, nor are they LO or networked weapon systems.
But nice try conflating…
Murse
New Member
When we saw they were returning Spartan, I started writing a post advocating for 208 floatplanes for Army to operate in the littoral. I deleted it for fear of ridicule
I do believe they could play a vital role in that environment, especially in AME.
I'm with you on the Caravan 208 type, maybe even the NZ made PAC 750. Nobody can predict where the Australian Army will have to operate and why. Tell me anyone saw Somalia, Rwanda, Timor or Solomon Island gigs coming, let alone almost 20 years in Afghanistan and Iraq. I've got no problem with the focused force concept for a war of national survival with the CCP, but we can't ignore the other very high likelihood scenarios like communal war in the PNG/Solomons/Timor/Younameit local shithole where getting troops in and wounded out is a nightmare not solved by a handful of Chinooks.
MARKMILES77
Well-Known Member
Wrong.
New long-range smart weapon flies hundreds of miles in first test
Boeing, U.S. Navy complete initial flight tests of the JDAM LR, validating powered flight and long-range capability.
onfirstup.com
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PHOTOGRAPHER
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Dont understand the angst here. Its pretty obvious these 2 weapons have some similarities. Yes, one is certainly better than the other but similarities remain. I would love to see Australia adding this new variant to our GWEO porfolio.
That's quite the capability. As others have noted, not a replacement for JASSM by a long shot, but an impressive capability nonetheless. And at perhaps 10% to 20% the cost could be useful in places where mass is needed.
I wonder if they will be integrated on to P8s....... 11 of these would ruin anyone's day.
I wonder if they will be integrated on to P8s....... 11 of these would ruin anyone's day.
MARKMILES77
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Got the JDAM-LR range wrong, it is actually over 300 Nautical Miles. So in excess of 550km!
The light turboprop’s are cheap enough to own and operate that you could probably justify them completely just for HADR and training.
The Caravan or Kodak are probably going to be a better option then the PAC because they are high wing and would have better downwards vision? There are also more of them around, so support in remote area’s is likely easier.