The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

[KipPotapych]

I am not sure exactly what point he is making though

It appears he is still playing the role of a Monty Python character, haha.

On a serious note, he is repeating the now daily programming that Ukraine should not seek peace right now, but should hold out for a few weeks instead and then make daily gains pushing Russians out all the way until Russia collapses via economic breakdown. The answer to his question whether he is missing something is probably yes, he is, I would think. And the character is strong with that one:

John Cheese used to be a comedian, his political views are hardly important.

It appears he still is a comedian. I do not think his political views are important at all, but it surely peaks the bizarro world we live in, of which here are few examples.

Bizarro world:

Reality of “told journalists on Feb 12”:

And reality today:

Of course, this is also accompanied by the reality of the last Russian strike, for example:

I count 20 Iskander-M there. So the 35 interceptors that Ukraine may or may not get (it is likely no for 35, in my opinion) is not enough to defend against that one attack in the “best” case scenario. Then we can look at the monthly totals broken down by missiles used:

I am sure someone, by looking at that chart, will come up (or already have) with the conclusion that Russia is running out of missiles. But.. we are not even half a month into February yet and Russia had already used 70 or more ballistic Iskanders. So those maybe-35 advertised are good for bringing down about a quarter of those in the average “best” case scenario? Good thing they learnt to bring down three quarters of Kh-22s with no interceptors at all (see one of my recent post above). Also lucky to have this going in the bizarro world, otherwise things would be a lot worse:

In the meantime, also in bizarro world:

First hypersonic missile batch for Ukraine - No equivalent anywhere

Read more

newsukraine.rbc.ua

The real world:

Britain's hypersonic challenge: Strategic opportunities and risks - Council on Geostrategy

William Freer explains what hypersonics weapons are, why countries want them and the British development and use cases for such systems

www.geostrategy.org.uk

Some experts get carried way away too:

But in the real world:

Highest rank officials prefer the bizarro side of things as well:

25 Russians for each Ukrainian in Ukrainian offensive… What a world to live in! Over 200 vessels have been taken out of action! Imagine saying this as the Defense Secretary of a serious country?! He is not alone though:

34,000 Russian soldiers killed in December alone! According to Stubb. But wait, there is more delusion in that wolrd:

It actually is super impressive in the bizarro world when each Ukrainian kills about 40 rounded Russians before being killed himself! Imagine killing 65,000 Russians every two months and 25 Russians for every Ukrainian loss in the offensive (!), yet being stressed about peace talks and Russia basically not giving a shit. But hey, when in the bizarro world… Is there more? Of course there is. For example, one of my personal favourites when in need of a laugh:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2022316228933542306

Imagine saying that ^ while Sikorsky of Poland, at the same forum, talking about Russia choosing to be a vassal of China (because of importing Chinese goods) instead of western partnership (and importing goods from the EU)! And I am even going to skip the world wars, other cooperation, etc because… well, Kallas. But North Koreans actually fighting Ukrainians in Russia? Millions of shell provided by the same party and another, as well as others? Shaheds/Gerans? Or, perhaps, this, in the real world:

Wait, isn’t there the/an axis? Am I missing something? (C) John Cleese

Is there more? Of course there is! That would be enough for one post though and one day worth of “news”. Well, one last thing referring to the blast from the past, but fits extremely well into the theme here:

It is no wonder old John Cleese would be confused. He is certainly not alone.

A lot of Ukrainian missiles have hit a lot of buildings, ships, etc. Haven't you been paying attention?

I think the issue is bringing up some particular strike from 2.5 (?) years ago and claiming the death of some admiral that actually didn’t happen, accompanied by never responding to the follow-up questions, challenges, or requests for sources of (fake) information, that is not just a (bizarre) personal opinion. And that is not a even trend but a habit.


@rsemmes, I will try to reply to your post tomorrow or day after (where you didn’t agree with my good read suggestion). We will have Russian propaganda meets Russian propaganda, it looks like.

 

[Beltrami2005]

It appears he is still playing the role of a Monty Python character, haha.

On a serious note, he is repeating the now daily programming that Ukraine should not seek peace right now, but should hold out for a few weeks instead and then make daily gains pushing Russians out all the way until Russia collapses via economic breakdown. The answer to his question whether he is missing something is probably yes, he is, I would think. And the character is strong with that one:

It appears he still is a comedian. I do not think his political views are important at all, but it surely peaks the bizarro world we live in, of which here are few examples.

Bizarro world:

Reality of “told journalists on Feb 12”:

View attachment 54310

And reality today:

Of course, this is also accompanied by the reality of the last Russian strike, for example:

I count 20 Iskander-M there. So the 35 interceptors that Ukraine may or may not get (it is likely no for 35, in my opinion) is not enough to defend against that one attack in the “best” case scenario. Then we can look at the monthly totals broken down by missiles used:

I am sure someone, by looking at that chart, will come up (or already have) with the conclusion that Russia is running out of missiles. But.. we are not even half a month into February yet and Russia had already used 70 or more ballistic Iskanders. So those maybe-35 advertised are good for bringing down about a quarter of those in the average “best” case scenario? Good thing they learnt to bring down three quarters of Kh-22s with no interceptors at all (see one of my recent post above). Also lucky to have this going in the bizarro world, otherwise things would be a lot worse:

In the meantime, also in bizarro world:

First hypersonic missile batch for Ukraine - No equivalent anywhere

Read more

newsukraine.rbc.ua

The real world:

Britain's hypersonic challenge: Strategic opportunities and risks - Council on Geostrategy

William Freer explains what hypersonics weapons are, why countries want them and the British development and use cases for such systems

www.geostrategy.org.uk

Some experts get carried way away too:

But in the real world:

Highest rank officials prefer the bizarro side of things as well:

25 Russians for each Ukrainian in Ukrainian offensive… What a world to live in! Over 200 vessels have been taken out of action! Imagine saying this as the Defense Secretary of a serious country?! He is not alone though:

34,000 Russian soldiers killed in December alone! According to Stubb. But wait, there is more delusion in that wolrd:

It actually is super impressive in the bizarro world when each Ukrainian kills about 40 rounded Russians before being killed himself! Imagine killing 65,000 Russians every two months and 25 Russians for every Ukrainian loss in the offensive (!), yet being stressed about peace talks and Russia basically not giving a shit. But hey, when in the bizarro world… Is there more? Of course there is. For example, one of my personal favourites when in need of a laugh:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2022316228933542306

Imagine saying that ^ while Sikorsky of Poland, at the same forum, talking about Russia choosing to be a vassal of China (because of importing Chinese goods) instead of western partnership (and importing goods from the EU)! And I am even going to skip the world wars, other cooperation, etc because… well, Kallas. But North Koreans actually fighting Ukrainians in Russia? Millions of shell provided by the same party and another, as well as others? Shaheds/Gerans? Or, perhaps, this, in the real world:

Wait, isn’t there the/an axis? Am I missing something? (C) John Cleese

Is there more? Of course there is! That would be enough for one post though and one day worth of “news”. Well, one last thing referring to the blast from the past, but fits extremely well into the theme here:

It is no wonder old John Cleese would be confused. He is certainly not alone.



I think the issue is bringing up some particular strike from 2.5 (?) years ago and claiming the death of some admiral that actually didn’t happen, accompanied by never responding to the follow-up questions, challenges, or requests for sources of (fake) information, that is not just a (bizarre) personal opinion. And that is not a even trend but a habit.


@rsemmes, I will try to reply to your post tomorrow or day after (where you didn’t agree with my good read suggestion). We will have Russian propaganda meets Russian propaganda, it looks like.

Escellent news. Ukraine has hit the energy grid of Volgorod and the area is in black out

 

[vikingatespam]

If the pressure hull is cracked, the thing is basicly a complete loss. Which is a win for european security.

Given the apparent lack of use, the Kolpino is likely a write-off regardless of the type of damage.

 

[Beltrami2005]

Given the apparent lack of use, the Kolpino is likely a write-off regardless of the type of damage.

I dont understand one thing...this submarine was quite new. Build in 2014 i think. Its loss is a gigantic financial loss. Why does russia not even have basic sea barriers to protect its harbor entrances? Why are even such high value targets with zero protection?

 

[Feanor]

In regards to the improved Kilo class sub (Kolpino ?) hit by a naval drone in Novorossiysk in December.

https://x.com/avivector/status/2021612859235414185

Satellite imagery shows that this sub moved or was moved a short distance, and was moved back to its original position.

Harbor debris clearing ? Seaworthiness testing ? Difficult to say without better resolution images.

It would be interesting to know how it moved. Was it under its own power or with the help of a tug?

I dont understand one thing...this submarine was quite new. Build in 2014 i think. Its loss is a gigantic financial loss. Why does russia not even have basic sea barriers to protect its harbor entrances? Why are even such high value targets with zero protection?

You haven't been paying attention. There are sea barriers protecting the harbor entrance. And there were security elements operating at the time of the strike. Why they failed is another story.

 

[KipPotapych]

There are sea barriers protecting the harbor entrance.

If I recall correctly, the entrance was (part?) open at the time of the strike, but I could be mistaken. That’s what I remember satellite photos showed and they scrambled to close it sgain in the following days.

That was also the first use of a submersible drone as well, wasn’t it? I think I also read about the Russians using some sort of underwater netting gto protect the entrance as well.



Sometimes, when watching a movie that involves Russian bad guys doing bad stuff somewhere in Russia, thinking “what did they just say? What was the name of the city/town they just mentioned?” Referring to “Volgorad” here, which is probably misspelling of Volgograd, while the video talks about Belgorod (or first seconds of it - haven’t watched further because the nonsense began.

“I don’t make mistakes in geography” (c) the Spaniard

 

[Feanor]

If I recall correctly, the entrance was (part?) open at the time of the strike, but I could be mistaken. That’s what I remember satellite photos showed and they scrambled to close it sgain in the following days.

That was also the first use of a submersible drone as well, wasn’t it? I think I also read about the Russians using some sort of underwater netting gto protect the entrance as well.



Sometimes, when watching a movie that involves Russian bad guys doing bad stuff somewhere in Russia, thinking “what did they just say? What was the name of the city/town they just mentioned?” Referring to “Volgorad” here, which is probably misspelling of Volgograd, while the video talks about Belgorod (or first seconds of it - haven’t watched further because the nonsense began.

“I don’t make mistakes in geography” (c) the Spaniard

Yeah, Ukraine has been hammering Belgorod recently, and has done substantial damage to the heat and power facilities. They even dedicated quite a few HIMARS to these strikes. It's probably an attempt to hit back for the damage Russia is causing, but of course it's not going to be felt nearly the same. Winter is almost over. If the war doesn't end, however, next year is going to get ugly. Ukraine's energy grid started collapsing this winter. And it's very much looking like the talks are going nowhere.

 

[vikingatespam]

Yeah, Ukraine has been hammering Belgorod recently, and has done substantial damage to the heat and power facilities. They even dedicated quite a few HIMARS to these strikes. It's probably an attempt to hit back for the damage Russia is causing, but of course it's not going to be felt nearly the same. Winter is almost over. If the war doesn't end, however, next year is going to get ugly. Ukraine's energy grid started collapsing this winter. And it's very much looking like the talks are going nowhere.

Unless there is a good reason to target the heat and power facilities (they power war industries), this is just a wasted effort. UKR strikes have to be very selective in hitting high value targets.

 

[KipPotapych]

Found the source for the ludicrous numbers everyone all of a sudden keeps citing. Of course, it came from the clown. Note that this is not some confusion on his part or anything, he specifically says that there some wounded as well (he speaks in English in the video, the tweet is cited below). He also says that the number was 14,000 killed “last year these months”, which is also insane. Note that he also says that it is 35,000 per month, not just last month.

While he is a decent actor, his body language in the beginning clearly shows that he is lying too. Repeating this nonsense really undermines the orator’s intelligence. I would not have been surprised if Kallas, for example, said it, but I thought Stubb was a serious person. Anyway…

https://x.com/clashreport/status/2014351447068942482

Unless there is a good reason to target the heat and power facilities (they power war industries), this is just a wasted effort. UKR strikes have to be very selective in hitting high value targets.

They do exactly what Feanor said: let them feel what we do. Belgorod has little significance beyond logistical importance (kindda crucial) as far as this war is concerned. Its main industries are mining and agriculture. This is a complete waste, but makes some people happy. Belgorod also has a population of some 350,000 (?) people.

For context, Ukraine has been pounding Belgorod’s energy infrastructure for over 3 years now (more intensely this winter), though the first strikes took place in spring of 2022, if I recall correctly. They have been finally able to turn the lights of (no idea what the extent of it is currently, but it looked like this is what it was coming to not that long ago). I do not think they have capabilities to do the same on a bigger scale, which is why this isn’t happening. It’s a show along the lines of the campaign of hitting furl tanks all over the western Russia (including Crimea). They can probably switch to Bryansk or some such and repeat the some over time, but this is probably where they find their limits.

Also consider that Russia has been doing the same to the entire country and what lies east of Dnipro river in particular plus Odesa. The lights are still not completely off. Probability of Ukraine repeating the same in some significant (as in important) portion of Russia in order to affect its MIC operations is about zero. So they stick with what they can do - a show.


Edit: forgot to add to first part of the post that Rutte is also spreading the nonsense (never thought him to be a serious person though and he had also proven to be a clown since his appointment, so this is par for the course):

 

[Redshift]

John Cheese used to be a comedian, his political views are hardly important.

Oh and he isn

It appears he is still playing the role of a Monty Python character, haha.

On a serious note, he is repeating the now daily programming that Ukraine should not seek peace right now, but should hold out for a few weeks instead and then make daily gains pushing Russians out all the way until Russia collapses via economic breakdown. The answer to his question whether he is missing something is probably yes, he is, I would think. And the character is strong with that one:

It appears he still is a comedian. I do not think his political views are important at all, but it surely peaks the bizarro world we live in, of which here are few examples.

Bizarro world:

Reality of “told journalists on Feb 12”:

View attachment 54310

And reality today:

Of course, this is also accompanied by the reality of the last Russian strike, for example:

I count 20 Iskander-M there. So the 35 interceptors that Ukraine may or may not get (it is likely no for 35, in my opinion) is not enough to defend against that one attack in the “best” case scenario. Then we can look at the monthly totals broken down by missiles used:

I am sure someone, by looking at that chart, will come up (or already have) with the conclusion that Russia is running out of missiles. But.. we are not even half a month into February yet and Russia had already used 70 or more ballistic Iskanders. So those maybe-35 advertised are good for bringing down about a quarter of those in the average “best” case scenario? Good thing they learnt to bring down three quarters of Kh-22s with no interceptors at all (see one of my recent post above). Also lucky to have this going in the bizarro world, otherwise things would be a lot worse:

In the meantime, also in bizarro world:

First hypersonic missile batch for Ukraine - No equivalent anywhere

Read more

newsukraine.rbc.ua

The real world:

Britain's hypersonic challenge: Strategic opportunities and risks - Council on Geostrategy

William Freer explains what hypersonics weapons are, why countries want them and the British development and use cases for such systems

www.geostrategy.org.uk

Some experts get carried way away too:

But in the real world:

Highest rank officials prefer the bizarro side of things as well:

25 Russians for each Ukrainian in Ukrainian offensive… What a world to live in! Over 200 vessels have been taken out of action! Imagine saying this as the Defense Secretary of a serious country?! He is not alone though:

34,000 Russian soldiers killed in December alone! According to Stubb. But wait, there is more delusion in that wolrd:

It actually is super impressive in the bizarro world when each Ukrainian kills about 40 rounded Russians before being killed himself! Imagine killing 65,000 Russians every two months and 25 Russians for every Ukrainian loss in the offensive (!), yet being stressed about peace talks and Russia basically not giving a shit. But hey, when in the bizarro world… Is there more? Of course there is. For example, one of my personal favourites when in need of a laugh:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2022316228933542306

Imagine saying that ^ while Sikorsky of Poland, at the same forum, talking about Russia choosing to be a vassal of China (because of importing Chinese goods) instead of western partnership (and importing goods from the EU)! And I am even going to skip the world wars, other cooperation, etc because… well, Kallas. But North Koreans actually fighting Ukrainians in Russia? Millions of shell provided by the same party and another, as well as others? Shaheds/Gerans? Or, perhaps, this, in the real world:

Wait, isn’t there the/an axis? Am I missing something? (C) John Cleese

Is there more? Of course there is! That would be enough for one post though and one day worth of “news”. Well, one last thing referring to the blast from the past, but fits extremely well into the theme here:

It is no wonder old John Cleese would be confused. He is certainly not alone.



I think the issue is bringing up some particular strike from 2.5 (?) years ago and claiming the death of some admiral that actually didn’t happen, accompanied by never responding to the follow-up questions, challenges, or requests for sources of (fake) information, that is not just a (bizarre) personal opinion. And that is not a even trend but a habit.


@rsemmes, I will try to reply to your post tomorrow or day after (where you didn’t agree with my good read suggestion). We will have Russian propaganda meets Russian propaganda, it looks like.

Found the source for the ludicrous numbers everyone all of a sudden keeps citing. Of course, it came from the clown. Note that this is not some confusion on his part or anything, he specifically says that there some wounded as well (he speaks in English in the video, the tweet is cited below). He also says that the number was 14,000 killed “last year these months”, which is also insane. Note that he also says that it is 35,000 per month, not just last month.

While he is a decent actor, his body language in the beginning clearly shows that he is lying too. Repeating this nonsense really undermines the orator’s intelligence. I would not have been surprised if Kallas, for example, said it, but I thought Stubb was a serious person. Anyway…

View attachment 54314

https://x.com/clashreport/status/2014351447068942482

They do exactly what Feanor said: let them feel what we do. Belgorod has little significance beyond logistical importance (kindda crucial) as far as this war is concerned. Its main industries are mining and agriculture. This is a complete waste, but makes some people happy. Belgorod also has a population of some 350,000 (?) people.

For context, Ukraine has been pounding Belgorod’s energy infrastructure for over 3 years now (more intensely this winter), though the first strikes took place in spring of 2022, if I recall correctly. They have been finally able to turn the lights of (no idea what the extent of it is currently, but it looked like this is what it was coming to not that long ago). I do not think they have capabilities to do the same on a bigger scale, which is why this isn’t happening. It’s a show along the lines of the campaign of hitting furl tanks all over the western Russia (including Crimea). They can probably switch to Bryansk or some such and repeat the some over time, but this is probably where they find their limits.

Also consider that Russia has been doing the same to the entire country and what lies east of Dnipro river in particular plus Odesa. The lights are still not completely off. Probability of Ukraine repeating the same in some significant (as in important) portion of Russia in order to affect its MIC operations is about zero. So they stick with what they can do - a show.


Edit: forgot to add to first part of the post that Rutte is also spreading the nonsense (never thought him to be a serious person though and he had also proven to be a clown since his appointment, so this is par for the course):

View attachment 54315

Gosh Russia are just so powerful, the entire country wow! you say it with so much enthusiasm, nasty evil Ukraine just getting what it deserves, your commentary is starting to become very Trumpian in nature and it's quite sickening to be honest.

 

[Beltrami2005]

If I recall correctly, the entrance was (part?) open at the time of the strike, but I could be mistaken. That’s what I remember satellite photos showed and they scrambled to close it sgain in the following days.

That was also the first use of a submersible drone as well, wasn’t it? I think I also read about the Russians using some sort of underwater netting gto protect the entrance as well.



Sometimes, when watching a movie that involves Russian bad guys doing bad stuff somewhere in Russia, thinking “what did they just say? What was the name of the city/town they just mentioned?” Referring to “Volgorad” here, which is probably misspelling of Volgograd, while the video talks about Belgorod (or first seconds of it - haven’t watched further because the nonsense began.

“I don’t make mistakes in geography” (c) the Spaniard

Found the source for the ludicrous numbers everyone all of a sudden keeps citing. Of course, it came from the clown. Note that this is not some confusion on his part or anything, he specifically says that there some wounded as well (he speaks in English in the video, the tweet is cited below). He also says that the number was 14,000 killed “last year these months”, which is also insane. Note that he also says that it is 35,000 per month, not just last month.

While he is a decent actor, his body language in the beginning clearly shows that he is lying too. Repeating this nonsense really undermines the orator’s intelligence. I would not have been surprised if Kallas, for example, said it, but I thought Stubb was a serious person. Anyway…

View attachment 54314

https://x.com/clashreport/status/2014351447068942482

They do exactly what Feanor said: let them feel what we do. Belgorod has little significance beyond logistical importance (kindda crucial) as far as this war is concerned. Its main industries are mining and agriculture. This is a complete waste, but makes some people happy. Belgorod also has a population of some 350,000 (?) people.

For context, Ukraine has been pounding Belgorod’s energy infrastructure for over 3 years now (more intensely this winter), though the first strikes took place in spring of 2022, if I recall correctly. They have been finally able to turn the lights of (no idea what the extent of it is currently, but it looked like this is what it was coming to not that long ago). I do not think they have capabilities to do the same on a bigger scale, which is why this isn’t happening. It’s a show along the lines of the campaign of hitting furl tanks all over the western Russia (including Crimea). They can probably switch to Bryansk or some such and repeat the some over time, but this is probably where they find their limits.

Also consider that Russia has been doing the same to the entire country and what lies east of Dnipro river in particular plus Odesa. The lights are still not completely off. Probability of Ukraine repeating the same in some significant (as in important) portion of Russia in order to affect its MIC operations is about zero. So they stick with what they can do - a show.


Edit: forgot to add to first part of the post that Rutte is also spreading the nonsense (never thought him to be a serious person though and he had also proven to be a clown since his appointment, so this is par for the course):

View attachment 54315

With russias abysmal low birthrate, evry one neutralized means one bloodline that ends.

That russia has high losses is a fact and its one of the good facts.

 

[KipPotapych]

@Redshift, what are you talking about, mate?

Who is talking about “so powerful”, “evil”, “deserves” and the like? Ukraine is getting what it is getting followed by a big fat period. They are doing to Russia what they can (rather what they think is best) followed by a period just as fat. The two doings and gettings are not exactly comparable for obvious reasons, delusions notwithstanding. Who deserves what is not exactly the subject of the discussion. Why would it be? Neither you nor me nor anyone else here can influence these events and the doings and gettings will continue as they were until it stops for one reason or another. We can debate the reasons we think to bring this thing to an end. This is real life, no? All we do is observe and comment. How those comments are processed is up to the reader. I do not believe I posted anything that isn’t based on reality we could all observe at the time of posting and my opinion is, I think (would be weird if I didn’t), supported by facts, which I try to provide. If you feel what I provide is not sufficient, you can always ask follow-up questions, no? I do not think I had ever failed to engage further and provide more info to support my claims and engage in the discussion.

P. S. Trump is an idiot and probably suffers from dementia to boot. Not a good combination. Nonetheless, the circus people, who actually can influence the events, signed up for is not helpful and extremely counterproductive, in my opinion. But what do I know.

 

[rsemmes]

I have to wonder if they both suffer some kind of dissociative disorder... Of course, they are doing their job, the "Five o'clock follies".

“But let’s be clear-eyed about Russia: Russia is no superpower. After more than a decade of a conflict, including 4 years of full-scale war in Ukraine. Russia has barely advanced beyond the 2014 lines, and the cost? 1.2 million casualties.
Today, Russia is broken, its economy is in shreds. It is disconnected from the European energy markets and its own citizens are fleeing.
In fact, the greatest threat Russia presents right now is that it gains more at the negotiation table, then it has achieved on the battlefield.” Kallas.

‘Woke Europe not facing civilisational erasure,’ says EU’s Kallas after Rubio’s Munich speech – as it happened

EU’s foreign policy chief says many countries still ‘want to join our club’

www.theguardian.com

Ukraine wants security guarantees for a minimum of 20 years from the US before it can sign a peace deal with dignity, Volodymyr Zelenskyy said ahead of talks with Russia and the US scheduled for next week.
Speaking in Munich on Saturday, he also called for a clear date for Ukraine to be allowed to join the EU. Some EU officials have put the date as early as 2027. Zelenski.

Ukraine wants 20-year US security guarantee to sign peace deal

Speaking in Munich, Volodymyr Zelenskyy also called for a clear date for his country to be allowed to join the EU

www.theguardian.com

Russia only has a lot of atomic bombs. US and USSR (and the British Empire) abandoned Afghanistan, maybe she could provided an updated version of "superpower". Bullying countries, maybe?
The "land corridor" is the definition of "barely", I guess. The cost we estimate, any cost to Ukraine?
So, around 6 millions Russians are in foreign countries since 2022? Ukraine is bankrupt, Russia is not. Is Russia connected to European energy markets through third parties? Is that good or bad for Europe? What if Russia is connected to other markets?
What is Ukraine going to achieve in the battlefield?

Ukraine wants, what can he offer?
He wants a clear date for a corrupt, bankrupt, destroyed ($800bn reconstruction?) country to join the EU.

 

[35LMOS]

staggering if accurate

https://x.com/steveholland1/status/2022692338645233866?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2022692338645233866%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=

 

[Beltrami2005]

I have to wonder if they both suffer some kind of dissociative disorder... Of course, they are doing their job, the "Five o'clock follies".

“But let’s be clear-eyed about Russia: Russia is no superpower. After more than a decade of a conflict, including 4 years of full-scale war in Ukraine. Russia has barely advanced beyond the 2014 lines, and the cost? 1.2 million casualties.
Today, Russia is broken, its economy is in shreds. It is disconnected from the European energy markets and its own citizens are fleeing.
In fact, the greatest threat Russia presents right now is that it gains more at the negotiation table, then it has achieved on the battlefield.” Kallas.

‘Woke Europe not facing civilisational erasure,’ says EU’s Kallas after Rubio’s Munich speech – as it happened

EU’s foreign policy chief says many countries still ‘want to join our club’

www.theguardian.com

Ukraine wants security guarantees for a minimum of 20 years from the US before it can sign a peace deal with dignity, Volodymyr Zelenskyy said ahead of talks with Russia and the US scheduled for next week.
Speaking in Munich on Saturday, he also called for a clear date for Ukraine to be allowed to join the EU. Some EU officials have put the date as early as 2027. Zelenski.

Ukraine wants 20-year US security guarantee to sign peace deal

Speaking in Munich, Volodymyr Zelenskyy also called for a clear date for his country to be allowed to join the EU

www.theguardian.com

Russia only has a lot of atomic bombs. US and USSR (and the British Empire) abandoned Afghanistan, maybe she could provided an updated version of "superpower". Bullying countries, maybe?
The "land corridor" is the definition of "barely", I guess. The cost we estimate, any cost to Ukraine?
So, around 6 millions Russians are in foreign countries since 2022? Ukraine is bankrupt, Russia is not. Is Russia connected to European energy markets through third parties? Is that good or bad for Europe? What if Russia is connected to other markets?
What is Ukraine going to achieve in the battlefield?

Ukraine wants, what can he offer?
He wants a clear date for a corrupt, bankrupt, destroyed ($800bn reconstruction?) country to join the EU.

The 800 billion reconstruction is already secured by 300 billion € russian assets we have frozen in Europe. The rest can be put on as loans.

 

[rsemmes]

staggering if accurate

https://x.com/steveholland1/status/2022692338645233866?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2022692338645233866%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=

How accurate is propaganda?

MOSCOW, September 26. /TASS/. The Ukrainian armed forces’ permanent losses since the start of the special military operation are estimated at 1.7 million people, Deputy Chief of the Russian Armed Forces’ Main Military-Political Department, Akhmat Special Forces Commander Lieutenant General Apty Alaudinov told the Rossiya-1 television.
Staggering, isn't it? (Mind, September 2025.)

Kyiv’s general staff said on Monday its forces still held the northern part of Pokrovsk and were also defending the smaller city of Myrnohrad nearby.

Ukraine war briefing: France to start making weapons with Kyiv

Ukraine says deal paves way for ‘large-scale joint projects’ while separately Kyiv opens exports of its locally made weaponry. What we know on day 1,448

www.theguardian.com

Not that staggering, maybe?

 

[Beltrami2005]

How accurate is propaganda?

MOSCOW, September 26. /TASS/. The Ukrainian armed forces’ permanent losses since the start of the special military operation are estimated at 1.7 million people, Deputy Chief of the Russian Armed Forces’ Main Military-Political Department, Akhmat Special Forces Commander Lieutenant General Apty Alaudinov told the Rossiya-1 television.
Staggering, isn't it? (Mind, September 2025.)

Kyiv’s general staff said on Monday its forces still held the northern part of Pokrovsk and were also defending the smaller city of Myrnohrad nearby.

Ukraine war briefing: France to start making weapons with Kyiv

Ukraine says deal paves way for ‘large-scale joint projects’ while separately Kyiv opens exports of its locally made weaponry. What we know on day 1,448

www.theguardian.com

Not that staggering, maybe?

Your propaganda breaks at the fact, that it is Russia that is attacking Ukraine and is not able to progress since 4 years, infact it holds less land now than it did 4 years ago. Meanwhile Ukraine is able to hold.

If you attack and dont gain much land it means...you lose alot. Men and material. Its quite simple.

 

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"The 800 billion reconstruction is already secured by 300 billion € russian assets we have frozen in Europe. The rest can be put on as loans."

An extremely useful (and easy) way to find $800bn, don't you think, personaldesas? Maybe he is fronting those loans.

 

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Ukraine is able to hold.

Yes, Ukraine is able to hold the "land corridor" and Kursk too. Thanks for your input.

Ukraine is able to hold where Russia is not attacking. Russia is advancing, slowly, in those areas where Russia decides to attack, with, certainly, Ukrainian counterattacks, but Ukraine didn't retake Bajmut nor Ugledar.
Ukraine has lost Chasiv Iar and Pokrovsk and Ukraine keeps losing. About casualties, all we have is biased estimates or recruitment figures; figures that tell a different story.

 

[Beltrami2005]

Yes, Ukraine is able to hold the "land corridor" and Kursk too. Thanks for your input.

I think the most suprising thing we learned in this pathetic war...is how weak russia is. It always had this renomee as military power, which has completly evaporated. At this stage i dont see them as military threat for europe anymore. Russia is weak. It can cause trouble but thats about it