The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

Redshift

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^ if I recall correctly (and I probably do), the UK imported about 5% of their gas from Russia before the invasion. Due to the nature of the geography and, hence, existing LNG infrastructure, it was a relatively easy and quick (but just as painful) process of dropping the Russian gas imports for you guys. Though there is still, without a doubt, gas of Russian origin coming into the country due to the way the market works; such as gas purchased at the spot somewhere in the EU that may have come from Russia would be one and most obvious example. It is just the nature of the game and it is hard, if not impossible, to do something about that. Everyone is in this same bucket, knowingly and purposefully or otherwise.

Regardless, this has little to no effect on the prices you pay. Everyone tapped to the same faucet will pay the same market price and it is subsidies that make the difference for the consumers at the other end (though not really because subsidies are paid by the same consumers in the form of taxation and scarcity of social services, usually with interest when the debt is repaid at some point in the future - which now seems to be a perpetual process).

The biggest issue I take/see with this whole post-invasion setup is that while Europe pays through the nose for the gas they consume, along with the oil at “market” prices, places like China, India, Turkey, and a whole bunch of others are either making bank reselling these same products, processed or not (including to you guys) or making the Euro’s industry unable to compete since energy costs are a significant part of the equation. And it is actually both aforementioned process that are taking place simultaneously. The charts I cited above are a great illustration of that.

Furthermore, as I mentioned in the previous post, this so-called independence, while becoming even more dependent on the US, is complete insanity, in my opinion. One can easily argue that it is worse than the way things worked previously, when Russian gas and oil, to a lesser degree, were part of the game. First of all, by greatly reducing imports of the Russian gas and cutting trade to almost nonexistent in comparison to what it was, Europe lost (simply gave up) all the leverage they had over Russia. Note that Americans didn’t because still import the crucial components for their industries and whatnot, such as titanium, fertilizer, uranium, etc. When Ukraine (potentially with the American involvement) blew up the Nord Stream, with absolutely no consequences, it should be noted, Russia lost all their leverage with Europe as well. When something like this happens, neither side has any leverage at their disposal, there is no space for negotiations, which is quite apparent now, isn’t? Russian gas should have always remained a part of the equation and a mechanism, such as price cap or something similar, should have been implemented. Like @personaldesas said above, it is much harder for Russia to do something about their gas that was sent via pipe to Europe. This was a great leverage that was simply given up by Euros, who also closed all channels of communication and made it known, completely irrationally, in my opinion, that they will not settle until “Russia is defeated” first on the battlefield, then “strategically”, when the former became no longer a viable option (never was, in my opinion). Yeah, sure, Ukrainians would complain and whine, but it would have been better than what is happening now, including their own sake, whether they agree with it or not. Europe would have more leverage and pull over both, Russia and the USA, and, unsurprisingly, China. I would go as far as proposing a hypothesis, for the lack of a better word, that the conflict could have been wrapped up by now and, perhaps, a long time ago if that were the case. Just think about it, critically and rationally, settle your thoughts, etc. One, of course, first and foremost, needs to put aside their (maybe?) convictions that Russians are some barbarians that need to be dealt with as such and so on. This is all noise and nonsense that leads nowhere, as, again, we have been witnessing for years now.

Ukraine was dealt a bad hand, they are the only ones in this situation who have no cards at all. Their only card is the alleged full commitment of Europe to some futile cause. There is no strategy, there is still no plan B, nothing, but taking the events as they are unfolding and reacting, usually in an irrational way. Now they (the EU and G7, though I am sure none but EU actually is) are reportedly discussing replacing the price cap with a complete ban on maritime shipments of the Russian oil, for example. What are they gonna do, go to war with Russia over the oil they ship with their shadow fleet and otherwise? Here is the article (or one of them):


And here is a summary:

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Ukraine was dealt a bad hand and it is up to us (I am going to include Canada into “us”, though we have no say at all) to provide for the best possible outcome for Ukraine and us. By blindly supporting who knows what, some unrealistic dreams, we actually deprive the Ukrainians of assessing the reality and seeing things through in a rational way and trying to figure it out. Russia will keep trashing Ukraine “as long as it takes” (yes, irony), our involvement notwithstanding. Things are going to get worse. For everyone, including Russia, but mainly Ukraine. We need to deal with that fact, not some… I don’t even know what it is we are dealing with anymore under the disguise of some future action we are to take that will suddenly make Putin/Russians/whatever realize that this war is too expensive and not worth the cause, etc, and Putin/Russians/whatever will agree to freeze the line where it is (could be way beyond what they are asking now, as it is now way beyond what they were asking before) vs previous plan (?) of them withdrawing from Ukraine altogether upon the same realization. It seems to me that there is only one serious party here and it ain’t us, however damaging and, maybe, catastrophic (doubtful, in my opinion) the current events are for that party (maybe that is where we actually stand though and we are the rational ones?).

So anyway, these are my thoughts on the subject that I can discuss with more depth, data, and details, but I think this is sufficient for an open forum. The main take away is that Europe (the EU plus UK, that should have never left the block to begin with with) should have taken the path of having their own voice, gain more independence from the US via heavy investment into their MIC, while keeping communications open with and retaining the leverage over Russia via purchases of cheaper natural gas and investing the “profits” (I am going to call the tremendous and completely unnecessary subsidies, probably approaching 8-10 times the monetary value of help sent to Ukraine) into the MIC, as well as UA defense and, most crucially, development. There would be no need to even contemplate the use of the frozen Russian assets (the righteousness and rule-of-law altitude/stance left intact and untarnished), the extreme right/left popularity would be left in check, and so on. And hey, maybe enough people would not even get completely delusional as to confusing drones with stars, helicopters and airplanes - that would remain the American thing or the “Jersey thing”, we could call it, but not anymore. Shame. I am going to copy-paste an article on the subject of the latter in a separate post below (translated from Dutch).
You really think that 5 percent puts the UK in the same category of pain as Germany with regards to gas imports?

Of course the UK should never have left the EU but that really isn't relevant to this metric.

Most of the UK gas imports come from Norway via pipelines. The rest as LNG from USA and Qatar, thus it's fairly unlikely that much, if any, Russian gas molecules (not that it matters at these quantities) come into the UK.
 

rsemmes

Active Member
You really think that 5 percent puts the UK in the same category of pain as Germany with regards to gas imports?

Of course the UK should never have left the EU but that really isn't relevant to this metric.

Most of the UK gas imports come from Norway via pipelines. The rest as LNG from USA and Qatar, thus it's fairly unlikely that much, if any, Russian gas molecules (not that it matters at these quantities) come into the UK.
I live in the UK, we are not a singularity in a parallel universe. Market prices affect us.
(I don't know how rich you are.)
 
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Redshift

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I live in the UK, we are not a singularity in a parallel universe. Market prices affects us.
(I don't know how rich you are.)
Did I mention market prices? We are talking about the direct effect of the UK along with other nations no longer importing Russian gas and not the effect on market prices. If the UK has continued to import Russian gas (all 5 percent of it) we would be in exactly the same position as we are now.
 

rsemmes

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Did I mention market prices? We are talking about the direct effect of the UK along with other nations no longer importing Russian gas and not the effect on market prices. If the UK has continued to import Russian gas (all 5 percent of it) we would be in exactly the same position as we are now.
Direct effect... and market prices.
Because UK is in a vacuum and only "direct effects" are going to affect our economy.

Following your selfishness, send Ukraine, Venezuela and (our old Mandatory) Palestine to hell, it is not going to directly affect us.
We know what has happened, not what could have happened and where we would be if it had happened.
 

rsemmes

Active Member
Russia's economy is collapsing again...

And Ukraine has to choose between bad or worse.

Curiously enough, Simon Tisdall, is extremely careful not to compare Russia's terrible situation to Ukraine's situation. It is also interesting that he seems to be content with Iran under attack, but not Ukraine, and that Moscow cannot defend Venezuela. Shouldn't be London defending a nation under attack?
 
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Feanor

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Update.

Sumy region.

Russia has recaptured Alekseevka, and pushed back towards Andreevka. Russia also gained some ground around Kondratovka.


Russia hits a Ukrainian position in Sumy region. Allegedy the position has an M114 howitzer, but it's hard to make out what's there.


A Russian Forpost drone getting hit by a Ukrainian drone interceptor, allegedly Kursk region.


A Russian Courier UGV with drone cage and improvised mine trawl. It's unclear how effective this is. What is clear is that the Courier is becoming more and more common.


Kharkov area.

Volchansk has fallen and Russian forces are advancing south and south-west, into Prilypki, Liman, and Volchye. The situation here is steadily deteriorating for Ukraine, and there are unconfirmed reports of Ukrainian reserves arriving here. I think Russia may be trying for a larger offensive here. We have attempts to canalize logistics into this area with attacks on crossings. Russia also continues to push southward out of Volchansk, though not particularly quickly.


Russian TOS fires, Tornado-S strikes, and FAB strikes in the Volchya area.


Some footage of the ruins of Volchansk. This is what Russia has captured.


Allegedly more Ukrainian POWs out of Volchansk.


Russia hit the dam in Pechenezhskaya, Kharkov region. This dam is on the Severskiy Donets river, and Russia has recently been striking bridges here. you can see the damaged bridge at Stariy Saltov in the photos. The intent seems to be to canalize Ukrainian logistics and troop movements in the area.


Kupyansk area.

West and south-west of Kupyansk Ukrainian forces are counter-attacking, retaking parts of Moskovka and Sobolevka, and pushing Russia back from Sadovoe. Ukrainian forces have also broken back in Kupyansk from the west, into the southern part of the town. In eastern Kupyansk Russian forces continue to inch southward. North of Kupyansk Ukrainian forces have gained ground near Kondrashovka. Russia is in a tight spot, but Ukraine's resources are limited. It remains to be seen how long Ukraine can keep pushing. On the left shore, Russian forces, having been repulsed from Peschanoe and pushed back towards Stepovaya Novoselka when they attacked from the east, are now attempting to attack it from the north. They grabbed some ground in the fields. They're also trying to enter Petropavlovka. If successful, these attacks clearly aim to establish secure routes into at least eastern Kupyansk from Russian lines north-east of it.


A Ukrainian evacuation team hits a land mine planted by a Russian drone. Then drone then hunts the survivors. Kupyansk area.


Ukrainian M577 gets hit near Kupyansk.


Russia's 288th Arty Bde continues to operate Kub loitering munitions, Kupyansk area.


Oskol front.

Russian forces have expanded their salient near Borovskaya Andreevka south-ward and north-west towards Boguslavka. They're trying to pin Ukrainian forces in the villages along the river, threatening their logistics along a wider area. They also pushed southward in Zagryzovo and have taken the village. Fighting is ongoing inside Boguslavka.


Krasniy Liman area.

Ukraine has recaptured the village of Stavki, north-east of Liman. Meanwhile Russian forces have pushed into the north-eastern outskirts of Drobyshevo. South-east of Krasniy Liman Russian forces have begun an assault on Dibrova and have crossed the road in the forest, pushing south-west. Inside Krasniy Liman Russian forces captured school No 2.


Russian shaheds hit the Artemovsk bridge in Kramatorsk.


Some footage of Russian drone defense teams from the 169th Motor-Rifles Bde. It's labeled as an air observation post, but it's clear what this is. It's interesting that these teams are not equipped with the typical shotguns and EW kits but instead more traditional AAA and HMGs. Presumably they're further back from the front line and are engaging larger and longer range UAVs that are crossing the front line.


Russia hit Slavyansk, reportedly targeting energy infrastructure.


Russia hit Kramatorsk.


Russian 2S5 fires, Krasniy Liman area.


Ukrainian net-covered corridors in the Krasniy Liman direction.

 

Feanor

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Seversk area.

Inside Severs Russian forces have entered the eastern part of town and pushded to the center. South-west of Seversk Russian forces have taken Vasyukovka, and begun an assault on Svyato-Pokrovskoe. They've also pushed to Pazeno but haven't captured the village. Zvanovka is fully in Russian hands.


Russian forces assaulting Svyato-Pokrovskoe. The hills north of it are likely the key position to this area.


Konstantinovka.

South-west of Konstantinovka Russian forces have captured a Ukrainian strong point along the road from the south, and have pushed eastward towards the town. South of Konstantinovka Russian forces have captured ground along the north shore of the Kleban-Byk reservoir. North-east of Konstantinovka Russian forces have taken the village of Mayskoe and some fields west and south-west of it. They've also inched west-ward along teh rail line. They've also gained ground west of Zheleznyanskoe. Inside Konstantinovka Russian forces have taken the south-eastern corner of town


Russian official sources are reporting a dramatic breakthrough to the village of Klinovo, north-east of Konstantinovka. No evidence of this has emerged so far. Russian forces have made a more modest advance in this direction mentioned above. It's possible a breakthrough took place and isn't documented yet, but I think that's unlikely. What's more likely is some Russian infiltrators getting through that far but without any firm established control.


Ukraine has blown the dam in the village of Privol'ye. Reportedly this is related to the fall of Orekhovo-Vasilevka. Suriyakmaps is currently ~2 days behind, but AMK mapping does confirm this advance.


Russian drone strike on a Ukrainian T-64BV, Konstantinovka area.


Russian bomb strikes on Konstantinovka.


Some Ukrainian footage out of Konstantinovka.


Pokrovsk area.

Russian forces are advancing inside Grishino. In the northern part of the pocket, Russian forces have taken the remaining pig farms and are approaching Mirnograd from the north-west. In the southern part of the pocket Russian forces have taken all the area west of the rail line, and the entire rail line itself. They've also taken the refuse mound east of Mirnograd, but in between the two halves of it, north and south. Russian forces have also taken the mid-rise neighborhood connecting northern and southern Mirnograd, and continue to gain ground inside Mirnograd from the east. North of Mirnograd Russian forces are recapturing pieces of the old salient, mostly pushing westward towards the rail line, retaking Zatyshok, and gaining ground around Nikanorovka. Inside Rodinskoe Russia continues to push Ukrainian forces out of the town. They've also pushed along the road from Shakhovo to Novoe Shakhovo, contesting it and Ivanovka again. West of Zatyshok Russian forces have reached the rail line again. Sofievka is also now in Russian hands. North of Pokrovsk Russian forces have taken large chunks of farm fields, pushing on Grishino from the east. West of Pokrovsk Russian forces have taken some ground around the mine north of Udachnoe. Note, not only are Ukrainian troops in Mirnograd definitely surrounded but Russia has steadily expanded the depth of the encirclement over the past ~2 weeks.


Ukrainian sources have continued to put out a volume of fake footage and misinformation regarding the situation in Pokrovsk, including videos of Ukrainian infantry raiding the outskirts, videos that appear to be older footage, and AI-generated images. We also have what appears to be authentic footage of Russian flag raisings in multiple parts of Pokrovsk.


Russian forces in the center of Pokrovsk. The same center Ukraine has claimed to have cleared of Russian troops. No sounds of fighting can be heard.


A series of Russian drone strikes in the Pokrovsk-Mirnograd area. We have a couple of Humvees, a couple of ATVs, 2 unknown armored vehicles, what looks like an M113, and a Leo-1.


A Ukrainian T-72B stuck in a trench near Pokrovsk gets taken out by a Russian drone.


Russian drone strikes on a Ukrainian M1117 in Novoaleksandrovka, north of Grishino.


Russian drones double-tap a Humvee carrying infantry.


Russian bomb strikes on Mirnograd continue.


Piles of destroyed Ukrainian vehicles along what used to be a key route into the Pokrovsk-Mirnograd area. This is a vivid illustration of the costs of continuing defending an area when Russian forces press the flanks. We saw similar scenes in Bakhmut, and many other places.


Some more footage of Russian logistics in the Pokrovsk area.


Russian military medics providing aid to a civilian in Pokrovsk. He was injured by a drone-dropped munition, allegedly Ukrainian. Note the shelter the civilians live in.


Apparently a column of Ukrainian POWs out of the Pokrovsk area.

 

Feanor

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Dnepropetrovsk axis.

Ukrainian forces have fully pushed Russia out of Ivanovka, putting the front line back along the Volchya river. However the village itself is in no-man's land and Russian forces are conducting counter-attacks. Ukraine has also pushed Russia back across the Volchya in Novopavlovka.


Russian drone strike on a Ukrainian T-80 near Ivanovka, Dnepropetrovsk region.


Eastern Zaporozhye.

The increasing distances and the geography make it hard to keep lumping in the fighting here with what's happening north-west of Velikaya Novoselka, around Novopavlovka. This section will cover what happens from the Velikomihailovka area down to just west of Gulyaypole.

Russian forces here are rolling southward down the eastern shore of the Gaychur river. They've captured Dobropol'ye (the village on the Gaychur river not the town), recaptured Danilovka and they've entered the northern part of Varvarovka. Russian forces have also advanced westward in the fields, flanking Gulyaypole from the north, and approaching the Gaychur river from the east. Gulyaypole itself is contested with Russian forces entering from the south-east, east, and north-east. So far they've only got the outskirts. Zeleniy Gay, east of Gulyaypole, has fallen.

Along the north-facing section of this front Russian forces continue to bite off small pieces south of the Volchya, taking Otradnoe, Tikhoe, and retaking Gay. It's unclear why Russia is making no attempts to cross the river here.


Russia hit Malinovka, just north of the Volchya in south-eastern Dnepropetrovsk region.


A Russian drone hits a bridge across the Gaychur, that Ukraine has already mined to blow.


Russian TOS strikes near Gulyaypole and FAB strikes on Gulyaypole.


Russian drones hit a Ukrainian M-55S near Gulyaypole.


Ukrainian footage from inside Gulyaypole. The town is mostly empty and battle damage is accumulating.


Ukrainian sources have published old footage from Kursk region in an attempt to claim success near Zaporozhye.


Some footage of Novonikolaevka, Zaporozhye region, with new fortifications being built.


Zaporozhye front.

Russia is making another play for Stepnogorsk. They used infantry infiltrators to flank the Ukrainian garrison, focused in the northern mid-rise neighborhood, and then managed to secure large areas east, west, north-east, and north-west. There may still be a no-man's land north allowing for a potential exit. In Primor'ye Ukrainian forces have manged to recapture the southern outskirts. Russian forces are also expanding their area of control in Novodanilovka, south of Orekhov even as Ukraine counter-attacks inside Malaya Tokmachka, reversing many of Russia's recent gains. There is some speculation that Russia intends to assault Orekhov. I still think this would be a mistake. The back and forth nature of the fighting here, even now as Ukraine is stretched thin, indicates that this is a bad place for Russia to try and attack. Continuing to focus efforts and resources on breaking the Gaychur river line would be the wiser option.


Two Bogdana 2S22 howitzers getting hit near Zaporozhye. I think they're Bogdanas, the angle make it look like the barrel is past the cabin, suggesting a Caesar, but I think it's just the angle.


A few shots of Russian interceptor drones operating in the Orekhov area.


Reportedly these are Columbian fighters in the Ukrainian armed forces.

 

Feanor

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Dnepr front.

Russian bomb strikes on Kherson.


Russia hit the thermal powerplant in Kherson, causing blackouts. Reportedly they hit it with over 100 artillery shells.


Russian drones take out a HIMARS decoy in Kherson.


A dense web of fiber-optic cables in Kherson.


Black Sea/Crimea.

We have another batch of Ukrainian strikes on Russian targets in Crimea. They've hit an Su-24, a Tor-M2DT, 3 radars, a truck, and a rail car. They also hit a decoy of an Orion drone and a Pantsyr. They also hit some structures, but the outcome there is unclear.


Ukraine has begun attacks on civilian ships transiting to and from Russian ports in the Black Sea. Ukraine hit the Midvolga 2 tanker with an An-196 UAV, off the coast of Turkey, damaging the ship but not sinking it or injuring any crew (reportedly). Ukraine hit the Kairos and Virat tankers with apparently unmanned boats, causing massive damage and a fire. The Virat had to be towed back to Turkey. The pattern of unlawful behavior from the parties in this conflict continues.


Russian Lancet strike takes out a Ukrainian unmanned boat on the Black Sea, carrying AIM-9 missiles.


Romania had to destroy a Ukrainian umanned boat that drifted into Romanian waters.


Ukrainian drones hit Russian targets in Crimea. Targets include a MiG-29 (MiG-35?).


Strikes.


Russia hit Kiev, targets include the Zhulyani substation, and the TEC-5 and 6 powerplants. These links represent at least two separate waves of strikes.


Some interesting BDA from Kiev. Ukrainian sources posted the footage as allegedly a civilian target hit by Russia. However we see a Gepard in the background raising questions.


Russia hit Vyshgorod, Kiev region. Targets include the Kiev hydro-electric plant, allegedly some storage facilities, and apparently the apartment of a Ukrainian employee of the company Fire Point, involved in the Ukrainian missile program. In the last link we have some interesting footage of Ukraine using UGVs to clean up UXO from a Shahed that went down.


Russia hit Stoyanka, Kiev region.


Russia hit the substation in the village of Novie Petrovtsi, Kiev region.


Russia hit the town of Fastov, Kiev region. The target was apparently the rail infrastructure, namely the train station and depot. These links represent at least two waves of strikes. It's noteworthy that the strikes were carried out back to back over two days, suggesting they are a follow-up wave to finish off something the first wave failed to destroy.

 

Feanor

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Russian strikes in Chernigov, targets include the powerplant and gas works.


Russian Shahed strikes on Nezhin, Chernigov region.


Russia hit Kharkov, targets include the Kharkovskaya substation. Blackouts are reported. Links represent at least two separate waves of strikes.


Russian strikes on Chuguev, Kharkov region.


Russia hit Lozovaya, Kharkov region.


Russia hit Dnepropetrovsk, targets include a Ukrainian 3-D printing company involved in drone production, and a Novaya Pochta storage facility. Links include at least three separate waves of strikes.


A Russian Shahed hit a Ukrainian technical on the road from Pavlograd to Dnepropetrovsk. It seems likely the UAV was equipped with optics and being controlled manually. A Raven SAM is visible in the background.


Russia hit Vasil'kovka, Dnepropetrovsk region, targets include the substation and allegedly rail infrastructure. The town is a rail node in the routes to the front line around southern and south-eastern Dnepropetrovsk region.


Russia hit gas infrastructure in Priorel'skoe, Dnepropetrovsk region.


Russia hit Krivoy Rog with Iskanders. Targets include the local SBU office.


Russia hit the Krivoy Rog thermal powerplant in Zelenodol'sk.


Russia hit Kremenchug, targets include the oil refinery. Allegedly Kinzhals were used along with Shaheds. Blackouts and water shut-offs are reported.


Russia hit Zaporozhye city, targets include the Ural barracks.


Russia hit a substation near Belen'koe, south of Zaporozhye city on the right shore of the Dnepr.


Russia hit the substation in Vasilevka village, Zaporozhye region, with Tornado-S missiles.


Russia hit the industrial area in Nikolaev, targets unclear.


Russia hit the town of Bashtanka, Nikolaev region, with Iskander missiles.


Russia hit Odessa. Targets include a substation and the powerplant. Note links represent at least two separate waves of strikes.


Russia hit the Odessa airport with an Iskander, targets unclear.


Russia hit the Buyalok airfield, near Odessa, with Iskanders.


Russian Shaheds hit the town of Bolgrad, Odessa region. Blackouts are reported.


Romanians film Russian strikes on Orlovka, Odessa region.


Russia hit Chernomorsk, Odessa region, hitting the Temp substation.


Russia hit Turbov, Vinnitsa region.


Russia hit Lutsk with Shaheds. Targets include the Lutsk Silk plant.


Russian Kalibr launches off the coast of Novorossiysk.


Ukrainian IRIS-T firing in western Ukraine.


Russia has started using Shaheds equipped with short-ranged AAMs, presumably in an attempt to catch out Ukrainian air craft trying to intercept them. One was downed by a Ukrainian interceptor drone.

 

Feanor

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Ukraine hit Moscow, targest include the Shaternskaya powerplant.


Ukraine hit a Russian National Guard base and an FSB office in Chechnya, also another UAV hit Grozny city. Reportedly E-300 Skyranger UAVs were used. The strike on Grozny city may have been an attempt to hit an FSB office.


Another Ukrainian E-300 Skyranger hit a residential building in Kaspiysk, Dagestan region.


Ukraine hit Donetsk. A residential building was hit, wounding 2 civilians.


Ukraine hit the powerplant in Orel.


Ukraine hit a chemical plant specializing in fertilizer production, in Krasnodar region.


Ukraine hit the Saratov oil refinery, again.


Ukraine hit the Afipskiy oil refinery in Krasnodar region.


A Ukrainian UAV struck Ryazan'. They hit the oil refinery, and a residential building.



Ukraine hit Novorossiysk.


Ukraine hit the Beriev plant in Taganrong, destroying an old A-60 laser laboratory (Il-76 carrying an experimental laser), and the A-100LL testbed.


Ukraine hit the Novoaydarovka substation, Lugansk region. Power outages are reported in Novoaydar.


Ukraine hit the Temryuk port and Syzran' oil refinery, Krasnodar region.


A look at a Ukrainian Flamingo cruise missile preparing for launch.


Interesting bits.


What appears to be an ex-Azeri MiG-29 in Ukraine's 114th Aviation Bde.


A Ukrainian F-16 carrying the Sniper Advanced Targeting Pod for launching APWKS missiles, presumably for drone interception work.


Ukraine has apparently taken some old Tochka's without a payload and has adapted bombs to be their payload.


Italian VCC-1s have shown up in Ukraine's 129th Heavy Mech Bde.


The infamous Fire Point is apparently planning to produce ballistic missiles based on the S-300/400 interceptor missile.


A clean looking Ukrainian BMP-1 with the Sich turret. It's unclear if it recently got upgraded, the post just talks about it being recently repaired.


Two interesting videos of antidrone net corridors. In one we get a very good demonstration of how they behave when drones detonate in them. In the other we have a Russian drone trying to burn one down with incendiary munitions. I suspect with some R&D and some time, there's a better way to build these tunnels.


We have a Russian MT-LB carrying the A-22 Ogon' (Fire) MLRS. This is a 140mm ship-based version of the Grad. Russia continues the practice of stripping old ships of firepower and mounting it on MT-LBs.


Russian BMD-4Ms with the new armor kits have shown up on the front lines. We saw them during Victory Day earlier this year.


A new Russian tank drone armor called Dandelion has shown up on the front line. It's another attempt to use flexible elements to catch drones before they impact on the armor. It remains to be seen how effective it is.


A Russian hybrid with a Nona-S turret on an MT-LB chassis. In principle this is a logical use of a spare Nona turret (with a presumably destroyed or damaged chassis). I'm curious why Russia isn't producing more Nona-SVKs during this war.


Russia has rebuilt the infamous theater in Mariupol'. Overall the city remains the poster child for Russian reconstruction in Ukraine, though Donetsk may take that spot as Russian efforts are shifting there. In the second link we can see a bridge being rebuilt in Donetsk. So far we're in the early stages of Donetsk and the efforts will include nearby small town.


A shocking contrast out of Avdeevka, a shiny new food truck (trailer) next to a destroyed apartment building. Demolition work has started in Avdeevka, and it's likely the trailer is there mainly for the construction workers. It's unclear if UXO clearance is complete or still ongoing in the area.


Reportedly Italy is pausing their participation in PURL.


Reportedly deliveries of Czech T-72M4CZs to Ukraine is cancelled due to technical issues with the tanks. The claim is that their FCS doesn't work. It's not clear why it can't be replaced.


Ukrainian soldiers training in France. One of the major benefits of NATO and EU training programs is that they're in safe countries. Inside Ukraine Russia has frequently targeted training grounds.

 

KipPotapych

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Just a side note: it’s much easier to follow if we use primary sources or the actual reports (when possible), rather than screenshots of commentators’ tweets. That way everyone can verify the info.
What are you finding hard to follow and verify? Likely just a lack of knowledge about the people/organizations whose tweets were cited, perhaps? In one of my last posts, aside from a whole bunch of media reports cited, a few screenshots of tweets were presented. The first was a tweet from a Deutsche Welle, a well-known German news outlet and their official tweeter account:


Djokic is basically (mostly) a news aggregator (very pro-Ukrainian) and hardly a commentator. I disagree with much (if not most) of his personal commentary when such is posted. His “aggregates” are easy to find and never (that I saw) off point. For example,

The rejection by Hungary:


“Out of legal tricks”:

Europe exhausts legal tricks on frozen Russian assets

And so on.

Christopher Miller is the chief Financial Times journalist in Kyiv, not a commentator. He brings the news and contents of his tweets are the excerpts of the articles behind the paywall (I am currently greatly reducing the said subscriptions in my portfolio).

My next post contains screenshots of tweets from the official Donald Tusk account on X, as well as the official account of our dear ex-leader, Justin Trudeau.

I used to provide a link to the tweet in the screenshot, but I guess I started slacking and made a habit out of it. I will try to correct it in the future.

As I explained at least twice previously, some tweets have a tendency to disappear (none of the authors cited above), so I made a habit of taking screenshots. Later, it became a tool to help with saving time and organizing because the reliable accounts do a great deal of help with that. They also help with this:

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I really do not need another hundred tabs added to the open list. The resources of our devices are limited.

So I will try and add the links to the tweets or other media cited (which I always do) and if you have difficulties following or have questions regarding the authenticity of the information provided or anything else, feel free to ask and I will try to make my best to accommodate, as I always do.


You really think that 5 percent puts the UK in the same category of pain as Germany with regards to gas imports?
Yes, of course. The percentage has no relevance - hence, my comment on quick and easy transition (6 months or some such?). The pain clearly refers to the price you pay because once most of everyone else in the region taps to the same source, the price you pay goes up accordingly. Not sure where the confusion is. Those who have never imported any RU gas at all, but are attached to the current supply lines still feel the same pain, 50, 5, or 0% has no relevance here. Americans pay more for their natural gas because of the LNG supplies to Europe. While nowhere near the price increase in Europe, but there is certainly an increase. Supply and demand is a bitch that will rule the market as long it is free (to some degree).

Of course the UK should never have left the EU but that really isn't relevant to this metric.
And no such relevance was implied. It was a side comment that was related to the strategy Europe I think should had followed, where I had to specify that Europe includes the UK and not just the EU (as you specifically commented on my previous posts referring to this very detail in some fashion). So it was a somewhat relevant addition to the post of an opinionated person, being me.

Most of the UK gas imports come from Norway via pipelines. The rest as LNG from USA and Qatar, thus it's fairly unlikely that much, if any, Russian gas molecules (not that it matters at these quantities) come into the UK.
This is irrelevant and doesn’t matter, as you say. However, is not about the molecules though. I specifically referred to the spot market, where the gas is often purchased at peak demand with, for example, next-day delivery. There is little distinction to the origins of the gas bought as long as it is not bought “directly from Russia”. Again, this has no relevance and you can believe what you do and I know what I do; it is all fine and has no affect on anything of importance, really.


An article on some of what I discussed before:


A quote:

Industrialists gripe that working cultures, energy costs and bureaucracy are killing the country’s competitiveness. International Labour Organization statistics show that the average German works 29.6 hours a week, compared with 36.1 hours in the United States and 44.8 hours in China.

Studies show that industrial electricity prices in Germany are around three times higher than those in the US and China, amid the dual shock of the nuclear phase-out and the collapse of Russian gas supplies.


Something tells me that the “working culture” and “bureaucracy” hasn’t changed much in the past 3-4 years. But some other things certainly have. Brad Setser comments on the article:

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The link to the tweet: https://x.com/Brad_Setser/status/1997810447307960595 (if you do not know who Brad Setser is, I would encourage you to look him up).

While the trend was obvious prior, there is a clear inflection point. A lot of the European, and German in particular, industry was killed by the persistent spike of natural gas prices after the invasion of Ukraine. A lot of it is self-imposed.

Having a pretty good hunch beforehand why the Netherlands have done so well compared to the rest of the Euros depicted, I looked it up anyway:

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Source: The Observatory of Economic Complexity


An interesting thread on the Russian bomb strikes in the Sumy region:



A Russian propaganda article from the NYT that talks about the corruption in Ukraine and the government of Zelensky:



A WSJ article on how Russia (bigly) sucks at AI. I was going to post it in the “general Russia” thread, but:



Another leak of private discussion. Der Spiegel this time presents:


Timing and contents are certainly interesting, combined with the other leak a couple of weeks ago.


An article by Sergei Radchenko. I, personally, disagree with a lot from his train of thought here, but nonetheless:

 

Redshift

Active Member
Direct effect... and market prices.
Because UK is in a vacuum and only "direct effects" are going to affect our economy.

Following your selfishness, send Ukraine, Venezuela and (our old Mandatory) Palestine to hell, it is not going to directly affect us.
We know what has happened, not what could have happened and where we would be if it had happened.
What are you talking about? You don't seem to have a clue regarding the origin of this thread and so are just spouting your usual talking points.
 

rsemmes

Active Member
What are you talking about? You don't seem to have a clue regarding the origin of this thread and so are just spouting your usual talking points.
"UK imported virtually 0 gas from Russia, any knock on impact to the UK is because of international price increases."
"5 percent puts the UK in the same category of pain as Germany?"
"The direct effect of the UK along with other nations no longer importing Russian gas."

Because only a direct effect causes any effect?
UK industry doesn't seem to be #1 in the world, besides US tariffs, that 5% is going to directly improve it?
 
What are you finding hard to follow and verify? Likely just a lack of knowledge about the people/organizations whose tweets were cited, perhaps? In one of my last posts, aside from a whole bunch of media reports cited, a few screenshots of tweets were presented.
I wasn’t criticizing you or anyone in particular, just noting general good practices for clear discussion.
 

KipPotapych

Well-Known Member
A few things today, some of which can make one’s head hurt. I guess this is the biggest one, from the Minister for Foreign Affairs of Finland:


I saved a screenshot just in case too because things like this tend to disappear in time. Imagine being his ignorant or whatever it is. In the likes of Kallas back in the beginning of the fall claiming Russia and China didn’t win the World War 2 and proposing that people don’t read much nowadays, which is why they believe that propaganda. For those who missed that bit (random tweet found via Google search):


Not really sure which one is worse, but it probably doesn’t matter. The thing that does though is that these people are the faces of, drum roll, the foreign policy of Europe in part and as a whole. Sure, Kallas is as sharp as nails (on the head side); this lady from Finland is sure giving her something to compete with. Imagine, representing a country that was a direct participant in what is rightfully regarded as the biggest military offensive in history, which happened to be against Russia in 1941, and talk this nonsense. I would also love to see her list of 19 countries invaded by Russia/Soviet Union in the past 100 years! Should be an interesting read.

Again though, the main issue I see with this is that these people are the ones dealing on the international arena and this lack of basic knowledge and understanding cannot but impede finding resolutions to serious issues, the one we are facing today especially. Anyway…


Another bit is from the FT article:

Insurance prices for vessels trading in the Black Sea have tripled over the past month and are set to keep climbing following recent Ukrainian attacks on ships and ports in the region, insurance brokers say.

The cost of war risk insurance for ships sailing through the Black Sea — a critical trade zone for commodities such as grain and oil — jumped after attacks by Ukrainian special forces on infrastructure including Russia’s Novorossiysk port.

War risk insurance prices have risen from about 0.25 to 0.3 per cent of a ship’s value in early November to between 0.5 and 0.75 per cent this week, Marcus Baker, head of marine and cargo for broker Marsh, told the Financial Times, bringing price rises to as much as 250 per cent.

A commodities insurance broker at another firm said that prices for their clients had risen more than 200 per cent.

Baker said increases had been the steepest in Russian areas of the Black Sea, which is also bordered by countries including Ukraine, Georgia, and Turkey. “Russia will escalate things into Ukraine, so we will probably see further increases in rates in the region,” Baker said.


This is a funny bit:

Prices have risen most sharply for Russian-linked tankers, the commodities insurance broker said, followed by Russian-linked bulkers that transport bulk cargo such as grain.

Here is the thing though:

While some tankers appear to carry genuine domestic policies backed by Russia-linked reinsurers, others rely on ad hoc certificates issued through third countries or flagged to registries with low transparency.

Source: Who’s insuring Russia’s shadow fleet? - Reinsurance News

One of the bigger issues with the “shadow fleet” is an adequate insurance. Some have none at all, some have slips that are just “paper”, etc. One should probably recognize that the main purpose for the insurance for this fleet is an ability to enter EEZ’s and territorial waters of the “coalition of the willing” (the willing countries, of course, as far as the RU oil purchases go). Those who will suffer most from this are those participating in the “legitimate” trade, which the FT article mentions next:

One maritime security expert, who asked not to be identified, said that the strikes had rattled tanker owners, who were concerned that even ships conducting “legitimate trade” were being targeted.[…]

The maritime security expert said shipowners worried that the escalation might spur Russia to retaliate by hitting Ukrainian ammonia and grain exports.

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday called Ukraine’s attacks on the shadow fleet “piracy” and threatened to cut Ukraine “off from the sea entirely”.


This exactly what should be the number one concern for any rational person. What Putin is quoted to say there is true: one can have access to sea, but that does not mean they can use it for shipping their exports out. Russia can make that happen (as they did before). The FT article mentions that too:

Jon Gahagan, president of maritime risk group Sedna Global, said the Black Sea had been a “bubbling point” since Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022.

Establishing export corridors for Ukrainian grain meant the situation had “calmed down”, but he added: “Everybody is watching this with interest to see whether there’s a wider escalation.”


The FT article: Client Challenge

(Via the archive: https://archive.ph/6kwws)

Ukraine’s brightest strategic minds think otherwise, of course. In my opinion, this a no-brainer, really, next step for Russia once this round of talks fails. And the talks have pretty much failed, yet not officially:


(Via the archive: https://archive.ph/6FhL9)


An interesting article from Kyiv Post:


The “summary” says:

Bill locks in long-term support for Ukraine, mandates troop levels in Europe, and codifies the Baltic Security Initiative as US strategy hardens against Russia.

Funny enough, the entire article literally says nothing else about the “long-term support for Ukraine”. So this is an excellent overview of the bill outside of the propaganda scope (for the most part):


As far as UA is concerned, there is $400M allocated for the USAI for this year and the next (which does not have to be used at all and expire in 2029). Even if Trump was put in the position where he must use these funds, it is still a joke, obviously - these $400 million per annum would be a really great addition to the $1 billion monthly ($12B/annum) to be spend on UA war capabilities. Tragicomedy.


Then there were some alleged “great news!” on the “reparations loan” front (I am amazed that this is what they call it, just adds to the stupidity of the whole thing). That is until:


(Via the archive: https://archive.ph/Rpu2G)

And



We do not know much about the latest talks between the Russian and US officials (Witkoff and Kushner, so “officials” is used loosely in this case, but it is what is) that lasted over 5 hours, but here is a little something:

A Ukrainian official said the U.S. offer had worsened, from Kyiv's perspective, after Trump's advisers Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner held a five-hour meeting with Putin last week in the Kremlin.

Source: https://www.axios.com/2025/12/08/zelensky-trump-ukraine-peace-plan-donbas

(Via the archive: https://archive.ph/E2Z75)


Relevant humour in regards to the last report:

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And

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I realize that many have no idea who “Vovan and Lexus” are, but Google is your friend. This is actually pretty funny stuff given the allegations of the plan coming straight from Russia.
 

KipPotapych

Well-Known Member
Almost forgot. Not sure if this falls into the “make head hurt” or “humour” category. Here is George Barros of the famous/infamous ISW congratulating himself on the “forecasting win”.

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Link to the tweet: https://x.com/georgewbarros/status/1998146417240821936

His “prediction” that he sees as fulfilled now is that Russia is going to mobilize and send the, what he calls, “reservists” to Ukraine. He cited an article from Lenta.ru, which states (via Google translate):

Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree calling up the country's citizens in reserve for military training in 2026. The document is published on the official portal of normative legal acts.

The text of the decree states that next year reserves will be called up for military training in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (AF RF), the troops of the National Guard, the rescue military formations of the Ministry of the Russian Federation for Civil Defense, Emergency Situations and Elimination of Natural Disasters, as well as in the state security bodies and the bodies of the Federal Security Service.

Collections of citizens in reserve are planned and are held annually.


Imagine being George Barros of ISW and get paid the big bucks while patting yourself on the back for the very amateur interpretation of the events that are not happening. Really weird stuff, if you ask me. And he is pretty convinced that he is correct too (from the comments to the post):

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Edit: forgot to cite the Lenta article: Путин утвердил призыв на военные сборы запасников в 2026 году
 

Hoover

Member
Imagine being his ignorant or whatever it is. In the likes of Kallas back in the beginning of the fall claiming Russia and China didn’t win the World War 2
I think is is more a reaction on the chinese-russian claim, that they both are the main winning countries which defeated Japan and Germany in WW2 (not to mention that the Chinese KMT nationalist armies burdened the main resistance against the Japanese invaders).
Kallas would be more specific if she said that both were not the main winners.

And for the mobilization in Russia: No. Putin don´t need the reservists. He has thousands of NK and Cuban troops and is on the winning road. I really don´t think that he will risk the internal trouble in the RF to send reservists into Ukraine.
 

rsemmes

Active Member
Siversk is gone.
and
Any confirmation from Suriyaki?

Petropavlivka soon(ish), it looks like.
 

Feanor

Super Moderator
Staff member
Siversk is gone.
and
Any confirmation from Suriyaki?

Petropavlivka soon(ish), it looks like.
Seversk is not gone by either map. Russia has most of it but Ukraine retains the western suburbs, across the river. Suriyak and Kalibrated show a similar picture, with Suriyak showing a small grey zone east of the river (i.e. Russian sweeping operations are still in progress). It's likely Ukraine can't hold Seversk or the hills west of it with the Russian advances around Platonovka-Zakotnoe and Svyato-Pokrovskoe which is in my opinion the real thing to watch. Seversk sits in a lowland. It's not controllable if the enemy holds the heights around it. You can actually see in satellite imagery the Ukrainian strong points immediately west of it, and south-west of it. They're holding the slopes and heights west of the Bakhmutka river valley. This chain of strong posts bends west-ward just north of Fedorovka, which sits in another river lowland. Currently the only route Ukraine has to the strong points west and south-west of Severks is through open fields and a few tree lines within easy drone range, and in some spots in practically direct observation of Russian troops. So they're likely done for in those spots.

EDIT; I spoke too soon, Suriyak is literally updating his map right now. Perhaps Ukraine has withdrawn from all of Seversk after all.
 
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