Terran
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In this case both aircraft were off the boat. One was a H60 which doesn’t use the cat.
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John Fedup
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Another classic idea from the IOTUS. Maybe his buddy Xi can supply EMALS if General Atomics's aren't reliable enough. Either that or kick butt at General Atomics, a hell of a lot cheaper than a redesign of the Ford back to steam and hydraulics.
Executive Order To Go Back To Steam Catapults On New Aircraft Carriers Coming: Trump
Executive Order To Go Back To Steam Catapults On New Aircraft Carriers Coming: Trump
Yeah I'm aware of that just wondering if there is any correlation, most people here know more about navle matters then me. I'm sure a great deal of things on a Carrier effect the reliability of airborne assets pre flight. It could very well just be bad luck this year and tempo.
Correlation does not mean causation after all but it would be nice to know as there is still a few more of the class coming off the seas in the neer to mid term. As it could effect any decisions to extend the life of them if ship construction and procurement continue to cause issues
I was watching a YT channel with an ex Navy and ex USAF pilot talking about this and the first question they had was "do we know where the Gettysburgh was at the time?" (Gettysburgh was the blue on blue shooter a bit back)On Saturday 14:45 local time, the US Navy lost an MH-60R helicopter in the Spratly Sea. Less than a half hour later, also an F-18F crashed into the sea. All crew members survived and the investigation has started to find out how this could happen.
Amerikaanse F-18 en helikopter crashen binnen half uur in Zuid-Chinese Zee
Een helikopter en gevechtsvliegtuig van de VS zijn op dezelfde middag tijdens een routinevlucht in de Zuid-Chinese Zee gecrasht. Dat heeft de Amerikaanse marine zondag bekendgemaakt. Alle inzittenden zijn gered. De marine doet onderzoek naar de incidenten.www.nu.nl
Here a Twitter post about the two crashes.
I did chuckle.
I actually do know a little bit about this from what I can gather the EMALS on the Chinese carriers are all on independent power tracks. The Ford class has them in sequence a much less reliable system as if the first one goes there all gone untill it's fixed. Also more complex so even if there designed better there is still more moving parts. Tho iirc the Ford class can deliver more launches before power is a issue as it's more efficient.
Also I know chinas also have battery backup storage for power it is possible the launches we seen were that and not pulling power from the reactor
dont know if that's the right call or not. I get how the sequence issue can basically incap your carrier, my question is if your going to redesign it back to steam, why not just remove the sequence issue? Tho I admit that could be a large enough issue that cost and time mean it's steam or risk having a aircraft carrier that doesn't work in case of a break down or damage.
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John Fedup
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My knowledge is also limited but re-introducing steam catapults to the the Ford class, IMHO, isn't possible. The cost would be huge. Does the supply chain for steam catapults still exist? Surely a rethink on EMALS by GA is a better option. As for the elevators, possibly going back to the old system is doable. Giving up on EMALS and going back to steam....might need to dust off the Nimitz drawings!
The troubled Constellation class has been cancelled with the 2 boats under construction to be completed. A new ship to be announced.
It seems the capability creep has caught up and killed it. I feel like they should just announce a cruiser program and be done with it, rather than add cruiser capability to a frigate sized hull.
It seems the capability creep has caught up and killed it. I feel like they should just announce a cruiser program and be done with it, rather than add cruiser capability to a frigate sized hull.
Or just build to print Mogamis, or the USCG OPC or Legend with revised armament and sensors (for which they are already scoped) or T31 or….If they are serious about speed of construction they need to go for an effectively unmodified existing design and accept the limitations that brings, which might include approaches with which the USN is not completely happy but which work for others.
You beat me to it.
Well maybe offer them Hunter?
Constellation-class Frigate Program Cancelled, U.S. Navy Looking for Faster Procurement of Alternatives - Naval News
Secretary of the Navy John Phelan announced a "strategic shift" away from the Constellation-class frigate program this week shifting the fleet towards viable alternatives that can be built faster and cheaper.
www.navalnews.com
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I to feel like that. I also think they could just stick with specialization in ships and knick it off with the everything can do everything think idea. get a ship that can survive and do its job it's not like increasing fleet numbers isnt also a goal. Modular design should just be swapped out with something that works and left there...
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Mark_Evans
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Upgraded Mogami Australia is going with has my vote.
F110 pretty close to what the u.s wanted.
downunderblue
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Massive news. Can't believe they just couldnt make it work after so much time and money.
I dont know much about the US system but surely the Audit office will write a small manual from this on what not to do. After all, you dont want to make the same mistake over and over???
Yes the alterations will get massive focus, but I wonder if Fincantieri or the contracted Marinette Marine (F/MM) shipyard in Wisconsin will get a whack.
I assume the shipyard and their Congressional rep will be queing up for more work (beyond the current hulls), but I also assume you stop for now, take a pause and first work out what went wrong, AND fix it so it doesnt happen again?
Doesn't stick to the tag "make shipbuilding great again", does it, or do you just blame the previous administration and move on to make your own mistakes?
The funny thing is the this was the result of a internal audit and lesions learned or supposed to be anyways. Was actually supposed to be back to basics approach. At this point I would support a investigation into the contractors building these ships. It's almost unbelievable how they never foresee the probloms that repeatedly arise over the same practices. after all they are sure quick with a expensive remedy to said issues. Not that the navy doesn't share some blame with there push it thru mentality, one not likely to change as frankly age is getting to be a real issue for the fleet
John Fedup
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Not likely or this would have been done after the LCS program. To be fair, at least they cancelled Constellation earlier rather than continuing on building ships of questionable merit.
Something will happen, the USN needs operational shipyards. The problem is the USN redesign of the FREMM not the shipyard
SolarisKenzo
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The USN selected the FREMM to have a proven-design already being used in dozens of units in Europe, then decided to basically order a redesign of the entire ship and then decided to redesign the redesigned design.
The Constellation class has basically nothing in common with the FREMM platform, its just a complete new ship.
Anyway, Fincantieri will be paid a compensation of almost 3 billion dollars... And will receive orders for new ships...
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The Constellation class has basically nothing in common with the FREMM platform, its just a complete new ship.
Anyway, Fincantieri will be paid a compensation of almost 3 billion dollars... And will receive orders for new ships...
*** Fincantieri: da revisione con Marina Usa 3 mld $ tra indennizzo e nuovi lavori - Il Sole 24 ORE
(Il Sole 24 Ore Radiocor) - Roma, 26 nov - Nuovi lavori per altre navi e un indennizzo per costi gia' sostenuti per un ammontare totale derivante da...
Musashi_kenshin
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My thoughts as well. It's bold to cancel the project after construction has started, and sensible to do it now rather than further along.
I suppose the main question is what will be built instead, given frigate-sized ships will be needed. Maybe go with the Type 26, lol? They could be built under licence.
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
Which version if a T26 is to considered?