The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

seaspear

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Regarding Taiwan and I know I'm going way off thread but Trump had previously and unfairly accused it of stealing Americas place in the the semi conductor industry and becoming the most dominant source of such , Taiwan under U.S incentives is building factories in the U.S
Some in Taiwan though believe that building the chips in the U.S makes it less strategic by the U.S to defend
Taiwan hails ‘historic’ TSMC deal with US, but will it lose the ‘silicon shield’ protecting it from China?
Europe is also trying to catch up with this perhaps both America and Europe don't want a triumphant China withholding the previous Taiwanese chips
 

Fredled

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Kursk:
KipPotapych said:
One last thing for this post. Situation in Kursk is surely becoming very serious for Ukraine.

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That is Deepstate’s map. To me it looks like if they do not (cannot?) do something to fix it, the Kursk incursion is coming to an end.
This is a surprise because Ukrainians were rather successful in the Ulanok direction. What happened that Russians could move so fast into Ukrainian lines?
So, yes, this could be the sign of the end of the Kursk adventure.
This adventure had to end one day but this breakthrough is a shock.

Let's see how this evolve in the next days.
Here is what Ukrainians say:
Andriy Kovalenko said:
Difficult battles continue in the Sumy region, Russian assault groups are trying to break through and move towards the highway from Yunakivka to Sudzha in Kursk region
link (Ukrinform)

source in one of the Ukrainian units operating in this area of Kursk Oblast said:
There was a breach of the [Ukrainian] blockade area. In short, this is an area where our units are trying to hold back the enemy to avoid the risk of partial or complete encirclement.

This did not happen suddenly but rather gradually and systematically. Even before the New Year, the Russians had entered Kurilovka (a village south of Sudzha), where one of our brigades withdrew from its positions. After that, the enemy built up its forces and systematically launched assault operations. Yesterday and the day before [6 and 5 March], they made a breakthrough – this is the result.

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Right now, we are working to stabilise the situation so that the enemy cannot fully cut off our supply routes.
link (Ukrainska Pravda)
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Russian forces damaged Ukrainian energy and gas infrastructure overnight in their first major missile attack since the U.S. paused intelligence sharing with Ukraine (Reuters)

Trump said:
Based on the fact that Russia is absolutely 'pounding' Ukraine on the battlefield right now, I am strongly considering large-scale Banking Sanctions, Sanctions, and Tariffs on Russia until a Cease Fire and FINAL SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT ON PEACE IS REACHED
link (Reuters)

IMO, Putin did a big mistake with this attack because Trump starts to understand the reality.

Trump is not yet acting accordingly. Talking about sanctions is cheap. Which sanction could be effective against Russia which hasn't been enforced yet? Even if there are some, they won't have an immediate effect and they won't deter Putin. Putin don't care about sanctions as long as his missile stockpile is replenished.

But a few more days of continuous attacks on Ukrainian cities and "civilian" targets far from the front line, and Trump could reverse the aid cut. So, this is rather good news for Ukraine.

Republicans press Trump to resume military, intelligence aid to Ukraine (The Hill)
This too may influence Trump. Still, it's unclear to me how large this movement is inside the GOP.
But it's compounding to the massive outcry from Democrats and European allies.

Giorgia Meloni has proposed extending the protection of Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty to Ukraine as a security guarantee without granting the country full NATO membership.
Meloni said:
The proposal to send unidentified European troops to Ukraine is the most complex and perhaps the least effective solution. I have also excluded the possibility that Italian soldiers could be sent in this context and I think we need to think about more lasting solutions than those that sending troops could represent,
One of the benefit is that it could be implemented very quickly while NATO membership will take at least one year, perhaps two or three, and this assuming they start the process right after the Peace Deal.
However, Putin will reject this solution just as he rejected everything that ressembles to a defence guarantee for Ukraine.

Trump refused to set defence guarantees for Ukraine in the Mineral Deal agreement because he knows that this would derail the peace process he is dreaming about. He knows that Putin won't accept to negotiate peace if something of that effect is written on paper.
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KipPotapych said:
... I have little doubt that the war will continue until it is solidified in writing that there will be no US troops deployed in Ukraine and Ukraine will not be in NATO. I actually allow that Russia may agree on Euro troops, but it is a definite no for the American presence.
Big_Zucchini said:
Russia isn't the one to be asking that. Negotiations move with the reality on the ground. If Europe deploys troops to Ukraine and closes its skies, it would put Ukraine in a much better negotiating position.
I agree with Big Zuccini. Nobody will ask Putin what he likes and don't like. If Europe decides to put boots on the ground and fighter jets in the air, they will do it regardless of Putin's opinion.
The goal of the European is to provide an effective conventional deterrence against further invasion and bombing. A peace deal not providing this deterrence and an effective protection makes no sens because it doesn't set the material condition to make this peace deal respected.

I just disagree about the "would put Ukraine in a much better negotiating position"
There won't be any negotiation. Only a long term freezing of the conflict along the current lines, with at best some agreed technical safeguards. Ukraine will not, shouldn't and legally can't, accept a negotiated settlement which would result of recognizing some of their territory as Russian. And Putin will always reject a settlement which doesn't. The story stops there.

Big_Zucchini said:
Demanding US allies pay for their own defence is a reasonable demand and is more "harsh love" than lack of care.
Maybe that's how Donald trump sincerely feels. Yet, in the reality of war, cutting military aid and intel sharing at a critical moment is lack of care.

swerve said:
Some countries (from worst to best, Spain, Slovenia, Luxembourg, Belgium, Italy, Portugal & Croatia) are still below 2%, but they're increasing, mostly rather fast.
May I correct you: Worse is Ireland with less than 1%.
It's strange that this is never mentioned.
Also surprising is Croatia.

swerve said:
So, "demanding Europe rearm and fulfil NATO obligations" is (1) nonsense, because there is no obligation, & (2) demanding that Europe start doing what it's already doing, which is rather silly.
Trump, due to his old age needs time to react to the rapid evolution of events. (rapid for an 80 years old man).

(I will reply to Feanor later)
 
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vikingatespam

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Some time ago I read an article that claimed that the % dedicated to "military expenditures" often time contained elements that were not really military, such as foreign aid. I think this was referring to Germany. I am trying to find this link.

OK just found an example:

 

Big_Zucchini

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How so? What specific steps has he taken towards Russia that are hawkish? You keep looking at effect and assuming intent, but that's not a credible way to analyze this situation. Actions have multiple consequences. Trump wants to reduce US support to Europe and is using the demand for greater defense spending on Europe's part as a lever to push in that direction. But is his intent to have Europe better defended? Or is his intent to minimize US commitments there? His policy could very well be a net better for Ukraine, but is that his intention or is that a by-product?
I care little for intent, and much more about effect. Or in other words, I never believe politicians' words. I always assume they lie. I judge their actions.

Lowering US commitments in Europe, and strengthening Europe, IMO are one and the same.

Ukraine isn't truly strong without a strong backbone - Europe.
What's good for the frontier nations and bad for the axis, is ultimately good for Ukraine.

Since reduction of US commitments in Europe, and prospects of European assistance and burden sharing in the AOR of CENTCOM and INDOPACOM, are overall bad for the axis, then they're overall good for the frontier nations.


And by the way, I'm not sold that this will be a better policy for Ukraine in the end. It might be, but it also might not be. European re-armament is a medium-term goal, but the war in Ukraine is going on now and the lack of US aid will be felt now, not in the medium term (well also in the medium term assuming it continues). And there's the question of what his actual intentions are. If he intents to have Europe defend itself but also intends to sell Ukraine to Russia, then that's hardly a net better for Ukraine.
I can only talk about longer term effects. Current dynamics are... dynamic.
To a person taking politicians' words at face value, Trump definitely sounds incoherent.
But the US and his administration are operating like a 2nd or 3rd order system, pushing and pulling in various directions until they get to where they want.

What further complicates this is the often, in some aspects, mutual exclusivity between strengthening Europe and negotiating a ceasefire in Ukraine. These factors can be parallel but also conflicting. This might make things seem even more incoherent. But I see the coherence in this.


Assuming that it stops there. But if Europe deploys troops to Ukraine, attempts to close its skies, and gets nuked in the process, I don't think Ukraine will be better off, since it's Ukrainian territory that's likely to get nuked.
Nukes flying around is a big assumption. If the wars of 2022-2025 have taught us anything, it's that the threshold for nuclear strikes is much higher than past public perception.

It's not love or lack of care in and of itself. It's just a desire to reduce US commitment there. But consider the rest of his behavior. Look at the entire picture. Does it look like he has "harsh love" for Europe?
To me it does. I see actions consistent with that, hidden by a layer of politics which I insist on unmasking.

What is too small and isn't too small is a question of what they believe the threats are. And the whole point of NATO as far as I can see is that you don't have to defend yourself independently. You have allies.
That is both correct and incorrect.
Like a 2nd order system, an alliance would correct the required investment levels, but this comfortable arrangement promotes over-corrections. Observe this poll. Europeans generally believe Ukraine should receive a lot more support. But they want other countries to do it for them. Understandable when European mentality on defense has always been submission and reliance on others, at least since the end of the cold war.

Consider you have a company of 10 men. You decide that to save money on fuel, you'll carpool and drive in pairs. Meaning 5 cars.
Without explicitly telling anyone to bring their cars, how many cars do you think will be brought? 5? I think fewer than that, if at all. Everyone will think the others have them covered. At least in a culture where you're used to everyone doing your work for you.

Now imagine you tell 5 guys to bring their cars. The other 5 sell theirs because they don't need them anymore. Why keep an expensive car with insurance and all if you don't even drive it?
Due to neglect, age, and damage, 3 of the cars are broken down after a while. Now you got 2 cars to transport 10 people. That's pretty much maxing it out.
Except on that day, one guy needs to hit the pharmacy to get medicine for his sick wife. An unacceptable detour for the rest. How does he manage? There's no 3rd car that can be spared.

We've hit a point where every individual nation doesn't even have enough for their own defense, maintaining rudimentary capabilities at best. Let alone defending another. In a time of crisis of course they'll rally everything they have for homeland defense and claim they don't have anything to send to allies. That's how we ended up with the frankly shamefully obsolete equipment sent to Ukraine, mostly on Europe's part.


Your view of this "axis" doesn't seem to be shared by much (most?) of the world, and it seems to be a clever way to try and lump Israel, a country with questionable foreign policy, in with the US and Europe.
Israel is often villified for various reasons like simple antisemitism or affiliation with axis members or jihadist organizations.
But what does this have bearing on? Media? I don't care about media.

The undeniable fact is that Israel, Ukraine, and Taiwan are frontier nations fighting for the same cause the west used to fight and to an extent still fights for. All these nations value life while their enemies value death. They value liberties while their enemies are content with oppression.
Or in other words - Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan, are liberal democracies. Even if Ukraine is just starting on that path. And Russia, Iran, China, are oppressive dictatorships.


Does Europe see Israel as an ally? Do they see the war in Ukraine as part of a larger conflict? Or do they have a different assessment? Was Europe ready to secure Ukrainian skies within 1-2 days? What was the posture of European forces? Politically how does such a decision get made?
1. Europe doesn't see Israel as an ally yet. For the same reason just a little pushback from the US leads to them claiming the US is no longer an ally. But that's likely to change. There is direct correlation between how well a European country assesses its security, and how it perceives Israel. As an example, Ireland, Spain, and Norway, some of the lowest spenders in the continent, have also revealed certain levels of partnership with axis members and therefore are strongly anti-Israeli.
The UK which is currently anti-Israeli, has also cooperated with China to give it control over Chagos.
On the other hand, countries leading Europe's rearmament or just without ties to the axis, like Germany, Poland, have good relations with Israel. Recently elected Merz has simultaneously pushed to increase German military capabilities, and announced he won't honor the axis-led case at the ICC to arrest Netanyahu.

2. Europe certainly does not see the war in Ukraine as part of a larger conflict. They have friendly relations with Iran despite Iran supplying weapons that bomb European cities. I'm hopeful it'll change.

3. Europe wasn't ready militarily, industrially, or politically. Lack of ability to fulfill what I said earlier, should have been treated as a grave national security threat.


The EU and NATO are organizations made up of sovereign states. You might consider Hungary's position reprehensible, but it doesn't change the fact that you can't force them to join in, or provide their airspace, for this sort of fight. And while Hungary is easy to smear as pro-Russian, what about Poland? They're not eager to deploy to Ukraine as peacekeepers. Would they have been ready and willing to go into a shooting war with Russia in '22? You've talked about Polish re-armament before, I'm assuming you follow it. What was the state of their re-armament in '22? What was the state of their airforce, especially vis-a-vis readines rates?
European capability as a whole is inadequate. Poland started very late, so yes they were inadequate as well. But they're doing the work now, and I can't fault them for that.
Hungary is also a good example of the dangers the EU have unknowingly accepted, giving up their sovereignty in a way that prevents them from action, blocked by a single other nation.


Let me make my position clear, in case it doesn't come across. I don't think the EU nations see the conflict in the same global terms you do
That is precisely my point. They failed before and are failing now to perceive security threats as what they are.
They welcome destructive elements with open arms.
 

Big_Zucchini

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Well if you know that, then what is this "axis" non-sense you're talking about? Politics are goal-oriented. One of Europe's goals is to not get dragged into a major war.
I don't believe Europe's goal is to prevent a war. Rather, they seem to welcome it.
If you want peace, prepare for war.
If you want war, prepare for peace.

The US and Israel do the former. Europe does the latter.


Hindsight sure is 20/20. Except unlike the bold claims I don't believe they really used Minsk Accords as a clever way to buy Ukraine time. I think Europe really did hope that they would work out, and things could back to a relative normality. So they certainly weren't mobilizing their domestic industries in 2014. They didn't even want to mobilize in 2022.
And they don't want to mobilize in 2025.
Politicians aren't idiots. It takes brain to succeed as a politician. If anything seems stupid, it's probably malice. One smartly executed.

Europe took Russia's side in the 2014-2022 period, and a balanced approach in 2022-2025.
With such policy, and together with the fact that unlike in Russia, European politicians are rather short lived in any given post, I conclude that they either did not anticipate Minsk agreement to last, or did not care about it.


Yes of course. Tiny Israel boldly supplies *checks notes* 19 howitzers. Very impressive.
19 howitzers Europe could not produce within the given timeframe, at a time Israel needed barrels for its own artillery, and good part of the manpower at defense industries was mobilized for the war.


think you're intentionally missing the point. Denmark bought what was available due to global production bottlenecks. Not because Israel is such a MIC powerhouse but because it so happened that this batch of cannons was available.
Same as you are. My point was that it makes little sense that peaceful Europe with 0 attrition could not replace Denmark's howitzers faster than a small warring nation could.
We don't expect Ukraine or Taiwan to provide war materiel to Europe en masse, right?
 

KipPotapych

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Big Zee, I think I wrote enough on the subject (and more or less agree with Feanor’s post), so we will have to agree to disagree.

As for the boo-hoo Israel part, there is also an elephant in the room:

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I said earlier that the location matters, you disagreed. I think it does and very (provided ambitions of the party in question are equal). Spending too much, too little, or just right is relative. Looking at the charts above, one can easily conclude that Israel is quite short on its military spending. I am not in for a discussion on the subject and it is off topic here anyway, but perspective matters.


Trump and Ukraine…


At about 25 seconds in, Trump’s answer to the question asking if Trump thinks Putin is taking advantage right now of the US policy on intelligence and military aid to Ukraine. Trump’s answer:

“No. I actually think he is doing what anybody else would do. I think he wants to get it stopped and settled and I think he is hitting them harder than he has been hitting them and I think probably anybody in that position would be doing that right now […]”

In the meantime, however (from the same briefing):

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He probably mentioned a dozen of times in that briefing that this war should never have happened and it wouldn’t have if he was the president. He also did this:

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Maximum pressure and all.

Bessent reiterates, confirming that no guarantees from the USA should be expected:

European countries must provide Ukraine with security guarantees to maintain peace. President Volodymyr Zelenskyy must acknowledge this, states US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent, according to Sky News.


Side note, there are now articles I see appearing in the media stating that Russia had lost or is losing the war. I have seen three, I believe, today. There was one in The Atlantic with a headline “Russia is losing the war of attrition”. Another one had a crazy title, I can’t recall what or where I saw it, but it talked about Russia basically begging for peace (I am sure they actually meant ceasefire).


Trump also mentioned (and it was said above, I think) that he is considering sanctions and tariffs against Russia. Well, tariffs are obviously a big (“yuge”?) joke - the US imported what, $3-4B worth of stuff from Russia? And likely stuff that isn’t easy to find a substitute for? Sanctions? Sure, there is some leverage remaining. Oil price cap has no relevance at the moment. Shadow fleet? Banks? This is (maybe) an immediate impact that would get sorted within days or weeks and we are back to where we started. Serious “third-party” sanctions? Unlikely.

Funny how that works.

Edit: Relevant thoughts on the article from The Atlantic:


Or X, if one prefers:

 
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Big_Zucchini

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As for the boo-hoo Israel part, there is also an elephant in the room
These charts are misleading. Israel is one of the top recipients of aid in a very specific form, but when we consider all forms of US aid, we see that Israel isn't even in the top 20.
The largest recipients of US aid are in Europe. But that's not counted because the payment mechanism is very different. If a JS force is stationed in Europe, allowing a country to downsize from 5% to 2%, and it costs the US about $10 billion annually, then you could argue that either metric is a form of aid the US provides.
Israel specifically does not house any American combat troops. Closest to that is an American-manned radar site, a joint-funded WRSA, and rare docking of American vessels in the Haifa port. That's why aid is counted in non-adjusted $.

Unlike Ukraine, Israel does not have an entire continent the size of the US (in industrial and economical terms) to back it up, so the US provides it the strategic depth it needs and is angry at the EU for not doing the same for Ukraine.
Similarly, Taiwan has no such backing, so the US is aware that it will have to back Taiwan nearly on its own too, with regional ally Japan largely lacking offensive capability.
It makes every bit of sense that the US will be angry at the EU for having to take care of 2 frontiers on its own and support a 3rd frontier equally, while the EU doesn't even support its local frontier and sabotages the other 2.


said earlier that the location matters, you disagreed. I think it does and very (provided ambitions of the party in question are equal). Spending too much, too little, or just right is relative. Looking at the charts above, one can easily conclude that Israel is quite short on its military spending. I am not in for a discussion on the subject and it is off topic here anyway, but perspective matters.
Of course one can conclude that by looking at the wrong charts. Israel too has been only in a decline in defense spending, but it never went below 4%, and when war came it always found the ability to double it within months.
Meanwhile European powers need 10 years to raise by 0.5%.

Trump also mentioned (and it was said above, I think) that he is considering sanctions and tariffs against Russia. Well, tariffs are obviously a big (“yuge”?) joke - the US imported what, $3-4B worth of stuff from Russia? And likely stuff that isn’t easy to find a substitute for? Sanctions? Sure, there is some leverage remaining. Oil price cap has no relevance at the moment. Shadow fleet? Banks? This is (maybe) an immediate impact that would get sorted within days or weeks and we are back to where we started. Serious “third-party” sanctions? Unlikely
Russia is still free to import machinery and components for military hardware, which is a major western blunder.
Usually a few supply routes are kept open to sabotage them, but we see that wasn't the case so far.


Side note, there are now articles I see appearing in the media stating that Russia had lost or is losing the war. I have seen three, I believe, today. There was one in The Atlantic with a headline “Russia is losing the war of attrition”. Another one had a crazy title, I can’t recall what or where I saw it, but it talked about Russia basically begging for peace (I am sure they actually meant ceasefire
Russia's offensives in the last couple days have practically halted and Ukraine has managed successful counter-attacks.
In Russia's main push, Pokrovsk, Ukraine managed to deny logistics in a wide radius so Russia can't advance there.
Russia does not have an endless supply of donkeys, and its manpower crisis has recently turned up a notch, with the gradual depletion of people willing to take up a contract together with contracts now paying less due to districts running out of money (contracts up until now paid absurd amounts).
 

rsemmes

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I care little for intent, and much more about effect. Or in other words, I never believe politicians' words. I always assume they lie. I judge their actions.

That is precisely my point. They failed before and are failing now to perceive security threats as what they are.
They welcome destructive elements with open arms.
They failed, really?
Pity Ukraine is still fighting for (and with) the intent, not the effect.
 

rsemmes

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Russia's offensives in the last couple days have practically halted and Ukraine has managed successful counter-attacks.
In Russia's main push, Pokrovsk, Ukraine managed to deny logistics in a wide radius so Russia can't advance there.
Russia does not have an endless supply of donkeys, and its manpower crisis has recently turned up a notch, with the gradual depletion of people willing to take up a contract together with contracts now paying less due to districts running out of money (contracts up until now paid absurd amounts).
Maybe we should draw conclusions based on a bit more than a couple of days.
What is that radius? Can't or are taking a pause, as usual?
Because we see the whole of the front line with mules and only mules? When you see one civilian lorry, the conclusion is, obviously, that they only have civilian lorries; your conclusion, at least.
The Ukrainian manpower crisis, you mean? I think it's called "market" you pay what you have to in order to get what you want. What Russian (not Ukrainian) district has run out of money?
 

Big_Zucchini

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Maybe we should draw conclusions based on a bit more than a couple of days.
What is that radius? Can't or are taking a pause, as usual?
Because we see the whole of the front line with mules and only mules? When you see one civilian lorry, the conclusion is, obviously, that they only have civilian lorries; your conclusion, at least.
The Ukrainian manpower crisis, you mean? I think it's called "market" you pay what you have to in order to get what you want. What Russian (not Ukrainian) district has run out of money?
About 15km radius from the analysis I've read.

Where is the threat of Poland being invaded?
If the Polish Govt fears an invasion, what measures was taking in 2024 against that invasion?
Acquisitions. Poland started an acquisition program in 2018 to get new aircraft, one area where Poland was still sorely lagging behind. They've already received a first batch out of 32 F-35 aircraft on order.
This amount will allow Poland capability to initiate SEAD/DEAD immediately upon invasion. Now they need to increase the numbers, but an F-35 buy in itself is a strong basis.
An order of nearly 96 AH-64 will also allow Poland to beef up its air defenses over its long, nearly 1,000km overland aerial border with Russia.
Their ground forces are pretty much set, and they're correct to prioritize that as NATO could provide aircraft sooner than it could provide ground reinforcements.
A mass buy of long range fires, deployed by both ground and air, means Poland also retains significant capability to strike Russian assets at all echelons.
 

rsemmes

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About 15km radius from the analysis I've read.
Acquisitions. Poland started an acquisition program in 2018 to get new aircraft, one area where Poland was still sorely lagging behind. They've already received a first batch out of 32 F-35 aircraft on order.
This amount will allow Poland capability to initiate SEAD/DEAD immediately upon invasion. Now they need to increase the numbers, but an F-35 buy in itself is a strong basis.
An order of nearly 96 AH-64 will also allow Poland to beef up its air defenses over its long, nearly 1,000km overland aerial border with Russia.
Their ground forces are pretty much set, and they're correct to prioritize that as NATO could provide aircraft sooner than it could provide ground reinforcements.
A mass buy of long range fires, deployed by both ground and air, means Poland also retains significant capability to strike Russian assets at all echelons.
Radius from where? Deny as "no supplies"?
That is one of the spearheads towards Pokrovsk, Ukraine can interfere Russian supplies; and the other way around too. So, what is the supply situation in Kotline, the tip of the spear? Not the best one, I guess. As good as in Uspenivka?

What have those AH-64 to do with AD? Are we talking about now? They are really scare if that is all they have done since 2018.
Then, about this fear (threat?):

They have 100s or 1.000 new tanks?
How many new artillery pieces?
Millions of shells in its newest stock?
One million men army?
APC, AFV, IFVs?
Missiles?
Drones?
...
From 200.000 to 220.000 men this year.

I would measure that fear with those numbers, instead of with the number of words used to describe it.
 

Big_Zucchini

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Radius from where? Deny as "no supplies"?
That is one of the spearheads towards Pokrovsk, Ukraine can interfere Russian supplies; and the other way around too. So, what is the supply situation in Kotline, the tip of the spear? Not the best one, I guess. As good as in Uspenivka?

What have those AH-64 to do with AD? Are we talking about now? They are really scare if that is all they have done since 2018.
Then, about this fear (threat?):

They have 100s or 1.000 new tanks?
How many new artillery pieces?
Millions of shells in its newest stock?
One million men army?
APC, AFV, IFVs?
Missiles?
Drones?
...
From 200.000 to 220.000 men this year.

I would measure that fear with those numbers, instead of with the number of words used to describe it.
You're asking a lot of specific questions easily verifiable on the internet.
Are you really expecting an answer to all these, or are you making a point I've lost a while ago?
 

rsemmes

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You're asking a lot of specific questions easily verifiable on the internet.
Are you really expecting an answer to all these, or are you making a point I've lost a while ago?
There is no threat. Poland is not investing, there is not even fear.

I don't know if your point is wishful thinking about Ukraine's great achievements.
 

Big_Zucchini

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There is no threat. Poland is not investing, there is not even fear.

I don't know if your point is wishful thinking about Ukraine's great achievements.
Poland's defense spending surpassed 4% last year.
To think there is no such thing as a threat, ever, is the highest form of naivete.
 

Feanor

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It appears Ukrainian forces attempted to pull out of Sudzha but Russia hit the bridge, blocking them in, and then smashed the column. Ukraine's presence in Kursk region is nearing its end with a staggering cost, and with not much to show for it. We're about to find out if Russia will let this fight burn out or will cross into Sumy to keep Ukrainian forces tied down in the area.
 

Big_Zucchini

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A 10% threat, from 200.000 to 220.000. How many new soldiers last year?
220k soldiers seems like a solid amount if utilized properly, especially for a ground-centric power.

Manpower fluctuations as a measure of threat level is going to be wrong in the majority of cases. Past a certain point, manpower increases reduce the overall effectiveness of an army because they hinder modernization efforts.
 

Fredled

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KipPotapych said:
At about 25 seconds in, Trump’s answer to the question asking if Trump thinks Putin is taking advantage right now of the US policy on intelligence and military aid to Ukraine. Trump’s answer:

Trump said:
“No. I actually think he is doing what anybody else would do. I think he wants to get it stopped and settled and I think he is hitting them harder than he has been hitting them and I think probably anybody in that position would be doing that right now […]”
link

I have seen that too, yesterday. Absolutely unbelievable! Every day it's more crazy.
Trump seems stunned by the Ukrainians' refusal to sign the $500B Rare Mineral Agreement without a written and detailed commitment from the US to provide military support. Ukrainians are very smart because they don't trust Trump, they won't content with mere words, for quiet obvious reasons, and want to force him in writing that down on paper. Trump doesn't want a written commitment because he wants to have free hands for future card games. He doesn't understand, and feel offended somehow, that Ukrainians don't accept any deal immediately.
Trump said:
" They are getting tremendous punishment. I don't quiet get it."
Ukrainians are right: Either Trump is serious about helping Ukraine and it shouldn't be a problem to put it on paper. Or Trump is not and Ukrainians have no reason to sign a monstrous deal biding them for the eternity.

He would like Ukraine to capitulate now so that he can make deals with Ukraine and with Russia at the same time.
Trump said:
"I want them to settle."
He still avoid the word "capitulate" but it means the same, in this context. And he says that after being asked about air defence to protect Ukrainian civilians.

It's not that simple because a capitulation will be extremely dangerous for Europe. It's not clear whether Trump understands that or not. He doesn't understand how important an Ukrainian victory is for European countries. He thinks that UK and France are playing smart games and "are getting their money back" and so on with Ukraine. But Europe is going to do everthing to prevent a capitulation.

Trump evaded the question about Russian pounding Ukraine because it's very embarrassing for him. In one way, that's the pressure effect on Ukraine he expected , on the other he knows that, at the same time, it shows that his "peace strategy" is not working and that he has no influence on the events whatsoever.

Not only Putin doesn't care about Trump's making faces, but Ukrainians too:
Ukrinform said:
On the night of March 8, a group of UAVs attacked the Kirishnefteorgsintez enterprise in the Kirishi district of Russia's Leningrad region.

The Main Intelligence Directorate continues to dismantle the aggressor's hydrocarbon industry, depriving Russia's war machine of its 'lifeblood,
link
Leningrad region! Ukrainians make abundantly clear that they are not going to be influenced by the discussions about the Rare Mineral Deal and other Trump's decisions.
Note that this attack happened after the Trump press conference linked hereupon.

Zelensky and his colleagues know that they are going to receive enough support from their European partners to resist the Russian invasion another half year, more or less. And they are not in panic mode. They still have room to disagree with Trump. While Trump doesn't get it, how come someone dare to disagree with him in the very first place, let alone someone who doesn't have any card. My guess is that Zelensky has still one card upon his sleeve.

Trump and his team say that they have "engagements" from the Russians. The whole world is waiting to see what these engagements are.
So far it looks like they don't have any. But for Trump, it's normal, and it's not difficult, because, they, the Russians, have all the cards. No wonder his peace initiation initiative is dead on arrival.

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Big_Zucchini said:
Europe certainly does not see the war in Ukraine as part of a larger conflict. They have friendly relations with Iran despite Iran supplying weapons that bomb European cities. I'm hopeful it'll change.
It depends what you mean by "larger conflict".
For Europe, the war in Ukraine is part of a larger war on Europe. Europe is preparing for a Russian invasion of the Baltic States and Moldavia and possible elsewhere.
Winning the war in Ukraine is essential to prevent that. Losing the war will make this danger highly likely.
 
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