ThanksJust my interpretation from this 2021 ADM article.
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Tank upgrade trundles onwards - Australian Defence Magazine
In late April, the US State Department approved the sale to Australia of 160 M1A1 tank hulls from stock. Those frames will be used to produce the ADF's next tank fleet.www.australiandefence.com.au
Cheers S
Thanks for the correction! I had the engines right and that was all. Still leaves 32 spare hullls!
FormerDirtDart
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No, 38
The M88 does not use a M1 hull
OldTex
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It doesn't seem to be too difficult. Lihtuania operates the Boxer as the Vilkas and they use the MK44S rather than the Mauser Mk 30-2. So before Army has lots of CRVs perhaps it might be worth considering.
Has to be too late doesn’t it? Boxers already under construction. How much change to design to add another Turrent? The IFVs have been contracted with Turrent. How could we possibly change that at this stage without blowing costs out of the water?
OldTex
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Only one turret would need to be changed. My suggestion that the turret on the CRV be the one one to get changed is because there is an existing turret for the Boxer which has the MK44S Bushmaster and the Spike LR ATGW. The Block 1 CRVs were coming from the German assembly line. The Block 2 CRVs come from the Australian assembly line. The Block 2 CRVs are supposed to come with Spike LR fitted, whilst the Block 1s will have to be upgraded to support Spike LR.
Yes it may be too late to make such a change. But would the likely increased cost of the turret change be less than the cost of establishing a sovereign manufacturing facility for another 30x173 family of munitions?
I'm still surprised by the number of M1150s. I'd have thought half a dozen, maybe ten. That seems more in line with historical purchases of specialized vehicles, enough for training and spares and one or two in a LHD for an expeditionary force. But 29? Someone has a plan for these things...
OldTex
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That number (29) made sense when there were 3 like brigades, hence a need for the CERs each to be equipped with ABVs and JABs, in addition to training and pooled rotational vehicles. Not just for the tanks but also the CRVs and IFVs. Now as the ORBAT is back to a single Mechanised Brigade then it does appear to be a touch of overkill. Doubt a Motorised Brigade would need ABVs and JABs in the CER.
The structure of the three regular Brigades is still a mystery.
Once made public ,some sense of vehicle needs and numbers can be ascertained.
A fair question re the numbers of ABVs and JABs needed now.
A question for all our vehicle fleets going forward.
I’m guessing the heavy Brigade will comprise three Sqns of MBTs, IFVs and Boxers, plus SPGs and supporting units.
Unit composition is guess work
Not sure of 2RAR going forward
Would have thought the other two Brigades to have been both motorised.
But no , we now have a light brigade in Darwin.
This will be interesting one to watch.
No vehicles?
Surely not
Those new LCMs will carting some thing other than warm bodies
Any updates appreciated.
What are you doing 1st Armd Regt?
Cheers S
Not a great deal, trucks and humvs mainly
Redlands18
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Private Richard Norden awarded Victoria Cross for bravery during Vietnam War half a century ago
The nation's highest military honour will be posthumously given to Private Richard Norden for his actions during the Battle of Fire Support Base Coral in 1968.
www.abc.net.au
I wish they would stop second guessing decisions made many years ago. This case was reviewed on a number of occasions over the last 30 or so years and no action was taken. Then there is a concerted campaign by an interest group and guess what? The politicians roll over. He was a very courageous man, but his peers in his time decided he should not get a VC. Who are we to say we know better?
Politics play a role with medals.
During Australia's involvement in The Vietnam war, NO VC were awarded to any member of any front line units.
Battle of Long Tan, the longest battle we faced was Coral Balmoral, and Bin Bah are 3 major battles that Australian troops were involved in.
Of the VCs awarded during Vietnam, until yesterday, all of them were awarded to members of the AATTV. I find it hard to believe that members in other battles did not deserve them.
Off the top of my head, after reading accounts of Long Tan, I would have thought that the company sig, Yank Akell would have been recommended, he ran messages between the platoons and company head quarters after they lost radio communication.
During Australia's involvement in The Vietnam war, NO VC were awarded to any member of any front line units.
Battle of Long Tan, the longest battle we faced was Coral Balmoral, and Bin Bah are 3 major battles that Australian troops were involved in.
Of the VCs awarded during Vietnam, until yesterday, all of them were awarded to members of the AATTV. I find it hard to believe that members in other battles did not deserve them.
Off the top of my head, after reading accounts of Long Tan, I would have thought that the company sig, Yank Akell would have been recommended, he ran messages between the platoons and company head quarters after they lost radio communication.
May well be true; but not my point. I am opposed to awarding decorations 50 years or more after the event, whatever the apparent justification. We are not the people to judge such events; they should be, and were, judged by those of that time using the criteria of that time and not that of the very different society of today. (He did get a DCM.) I was equally appalled at the award to Teddy Sheean. Whether they should have received the award at the time or not, they didn’t. It should have been left at that.
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In other news, first M1A2 SepV3s at Puckapunyal. As with the older models, they look great in auscam.
I understand the clips on the side of the turret side stowage bins are for mounting Trophy. I don't think we're acquiring any of this type, but if deployed they can definitely be fitted, as with the US fleet.
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I understand the clips on the side of the turret side stowage bins are for mounting Trophy. I don't think we're acquiring any of this type, but if deployed they can definitely be fitted, as with the US fleet.
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I see your point and agree.
Anthony_B_78
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Only problem with these is I am doubtful we'll see more than a squadron in the field. I hope I'm wrong.