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Sandhi Yudha

Sandhi Yudha

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Chinese hackers have stolen incredible amounts of data from VW-Group between 2010 and 2015. Most of the data is about the development of gasoline/petrol engines, transmission systems, electrical and hydrogen propulsion systems.

The hackers were very professional, working only during office hours and use programs and tactics often used by the chinese intelligence agencies.

This is certainly the main reason why the chinese car industry can develop so quickly, because the chinese not only spy on VW.

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Duitse media: hackers zaten jarenlang in systemen van Volkswagen

De hackers, vermoedelijk uit China, waren op zoek naar informatie over de ontwikkeling van benzinemotoren en versnellingsbakken. Ook zochten ze naar gegevens over de ontwikkeling van schonere auto's.
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And here another case.
Three German persons who spied for china are arrested in Germany. They not only sent information about the research of propulsion for naval vessels to china, but they also illegally exported a special laser-device to china.
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Drie Duitsers opgepakt vanwege mogelijke spionage voor China

Ze zouden hebben geprobeerd om informatie door te spelen over technologie die in de motoren van marineschepen wordt gebruikt.
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John Fedup

John Fedup

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Sandhi Yudha said:
Chinese hackers have stolen incredible amounts of data from VW-Group between 2010 and 2015. Most of the data is about the development of gasoline/petrol engines, transmission systems, electrical and hydrogen propulsion systems.

The hackers were very professional, working only during office hours and use programs and tactics often used by the chinese intelligence agencies.

This is certainly the main reason why the chinese car industry can develop so quickly, because the chinese not only spy on VW.

nos.nl

Duitse media: hackers zaten jarenlang in systemen van Volkswagen

De hackers, vermoedelijk uit China, waren op zoek naar informatie over de ontwikkeling van benzinemotoren en versnellingsbakken. Ook zochten ze naar gegevens over de ontwikkeling van schonere auto's.
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Sadly true about this and a wealth of other IP. Hope the PRC spent lots of effort on the VW diesels which were not up US and EU emission standards albeit the auto diesel market is rapidly declining where these standards matter so export for Chinese diesels is unlikely.
 
Ananda

Ananda

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Progress on US African Railway project. Something to counter China drive in Road and Belt in Africa. Global South now demand Investment in Infrastructure rather then talk on diplomatic access and Friendship.

Can US use the window during this past to year and potentially next, when China still slowing down their Road and Belt projects (to recalculate and licking some of their investment misshapes)? For one thing if you want to fight Chinese game in Investment, then give your Investment as counter.
 
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kato

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Sandhi Yudha said:
And here another case.
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There's another, more important case in Germany actually. Jian Guo, a 43-year-old Chinese-German who worked for a European Parliament representative of rightwing-extremist party AfD. He's been arrested on charges of passing confidential information out of the European Parliament to Chinese intelligence services as well as spying on Chinese dissidents in Germany.

www.euronews.com

Aide to AfD's Maximilian Krah arrested on charges of spying for China

Jian Guo has been working for the AfD's top candidate for the European elections since 2019. #EuropeNews
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Jian Guo, who has been living in Germany for 22 years and has German citizenship, was possibly originally planned to be installed as a double agent; he "applied" as a source for German foreign intelligence service BND in 2007 who rejected him and referred him to the (counterespionage-tasked) domestic intelligence service of Saxony, where he lived.
 
Sandhi Yudha

Sandhi Yudha

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I just put these articles together, because they are all about china's interactions with other countries.

Bullying and terrorizing Philippine naval and coast guard vessels is standard procedure for the chinese, but there are not often foreign camera teams on board these vessels.
Sky News on board Philippine vessel attacked with water cannon (youtube.com)
Philippines accuses China Coast Guard of damaging its ship | DW News (youtube.com)

And here is an article about a stategy similar to what china does in the Paracel and Spratly Seas: increasing their presence and building infrastructure in someone's else territory bit by bit. This time in the northern part of Bhutan.
Hoe het kleine Bhutan een hoofdrol speelt in de strijd tussen India en China (nos.nl)
 
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Ananda

Ananda

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This is just shown how interconnected the global supplychains already is. It is also shown how mature and practically integrated China Industrial Ecosystem already is.

Geopolitics and domestic politics in US can drive more trade war, especially close to elections. However this article pointing out market and businesses will find way out. On record yes Chinese import now being reduce and substitute with imports from Mexico, Vietnam, Bangladesh etc.

However what if those imports use Chinese materials? What if the imports from those nations more represents new finishing lines, but nor changing much on the ecosystems chains. Will then US politics will slap more tariff on that?

Nor as easy as it look. People outside China, especially in West, still talk as if China still just another low costs factories. However this last two three decades, clearly they are achieving more than that. They're achieving efficient industrial ecosystem. Something that make them adjustable on changes in Geopolitics.
 
Sandhi Yudha

Sandhi Yudha

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Ananda said:

This is just shown how interconnected the global supplychains already is. It is also shown how mature and practically integrated China Industrial Ecosystem already is.

Geopolitics and domestic politics in US can drive more trade war, especially close to elections. However this article pointing out market and businesses will find way out. On record yes Chinese import now being reduce and substitute with imports from Mexico, Vietnam, Bangladesh etc.

However what if those imports use Chinese materials? What if the imports from those nations more represents new finishing lines, but nor changing much on the ecosystems chains. Will then US politics will slap more tariff on that?

Nor as easy as it look. People outside China, especially in West, still talk as if China still just another low costs factories. However this last two three decades, clearly they are achieving more than that. They're achieving efficient industrial ecosystem. Something that make them adjustable on changes in Geopolitics.
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Bit by bit you can see that the production of garments, shoes, foreign brand watches and other products are moving away from china to other Asian countries or that companies spread the production over multiple countries and not just china. At this moment Samsung laptops for example are produced in china and Vietnam, but end this year it will open a production line in India.

But like you said, this is actually too late. Japan, South-Korea and the Western world has invested and develop too long and too much in china. We have become too dependent from them, it is just our own fault. In many things they can develop and produce, faster and cheaper. Sony and Toshiba has ceased making laptops, and in some markets like Indonesia, the chinese brands almost fully dominate the market. Polytron made good handphones, but even in the home market it didn't have the chance to compete against chinese brands.

And now china's electric cars are flooding the whole world. Still less reliable en inferior in quality, but they develop extremely fast and for some people price and looks are the most important things for a car.
 
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Ananda

Ananda

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Sandhi Yudha said:
our own fault. In many things they can develop and produce, faster and cheaper.
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They can do that because they are so far that manage to build end to end industrial production ecosystems. Off shoring already been done since 70's. Japanese has been done that since that era to other nations in SEA since 70's. However what they or US and Euro brand done is off shoring end process leveraging cheaper costs.

That's what being done to China in 80's and 90's. However unlike other nations in Global South, China manage to build entire ecosystems. They manage not only build end process, but end to end process.

In early last decade I have opportunity to talk with one of Hyundai top executives. I ask him do you think any ASEAN nations able to build their own car brand to the level South Korean done ? He say honestly he is doubt that, as he says you guys only interested and seems satisfied to build end process. You like to have fancy big assembly lines, but you don't have enough interest to build raw materials processing and middle parts industries.

ROK do that in 70's, China begin to do that in 80's, while the rest of Asia and even Latin America satisfied to become final process lines. Now with the talk of Friendshoring to circumstances US barriers on Chinese goods, most of Asia and Latin America again seems happy to become end process manufacturers lines (as the Reuters article before shown). End process of the ecosystems.

While China so far manage to keep their ecosystems intact, and even become suppliers toward those nations that now become new end manufacturers lines. The tarrif only check where the good coming from. Only check where the final assembly lines is. Import duties will not check if the Laptops from India using mother boards or LCD's from China. They will not check whether the shoes from Vietnam and Bangladesh using materials from China. While China assides keeping their middle ecosystems also end assembly for products designated to Market that are not penalise end products Made in China.

Why not everyone try to build End to End ecosystems like China done? Because it is expensive and need a lot off infrastructure supports. Off course means you also has to build efficient chains. Only those with large market and resources but also cheap costs can do that. Indonesia try that, India definitely doing it now. However that need not only huge infrastructures build up, but also huge talented human pools. Something so far China has advantage over others that have large human resources pools as India, Brazil and Indonesia.

Thus every one still playing catching up. Which shown yes China benefits greatly from off shoring from More Advance Industrial Countries in 80's and 90's. However it is quite mistaken to say China become like now only because of that. China become as now today because they (CCP) like it or not able to bring and build more efficient chains, then others. It depends to nations like India, Brazil, Indonesia, Vietnam, Mexico to replicate what CCP done. So far I have doubt they can reach that domestic industry ecosystems chains as that yet.
 
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