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koxinga

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Taiwan is going to launch the new indigenous submarine this Thursday.

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潛艦國造原型艦28日高雄下水 蔡總統核定命名海鯤 | 政治 | 中央社 CNA

潛艦國造為國防自主關鍵，更是台灣發展不對稱戰力指標。知情人士今天表示，潛艦國造將迎來重大成果，其原型艦命名為「海鯤」，28日將於台船高雄廠區舉行命名暨下水典禮，同時進行擲瓶儀式。
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www.reuters.com

Taiwan expects to deploy two new submarines by 2027, security adviser says

Taiwan hopes to deploy at least two new, domestically developed submarines by 2027, and possibly equip later models with missiles, to strengthen deterrence against the Chinese navy and protect key supply lines, the head of the program said.
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Royal Thai Navy to switch from a Chinese submarine to a frigate : Defence Minister - Thai PBS World

The Royal Thai Navy (RTN) has decided to switch from procuring a submarine from China to a frigate, estimated to cost 17 billion baht compared to the S26T
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Thai seems decide to postpone Submarine procurement, and switch this to Frigate. As the switch seems already agreed by the Chinese, then most likely it will be Type 54B derivative. Something in the line of Pakistani ones.

This so far Chinese only manage to get Pakistan to accept their MTU clone diesel engines for Submarine. Considering Pakistan financial position, they have no choices though. Thais seems not convinced on Chinese MTU derive clonesclones (for Submarine). Chinese so far seems more successful to convince the export market using their diesels for surface ships.
 
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koxinga

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This is what happens when politics interfere with procurement. RTN had always intended to order a new frigate, which is the additional unit of Bhumibol Adulyadej-class frigate.
 
Sandhi Yudha

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The second of three ordered OPV 58 S patrolboats is delivered to the Senegalese Navy. The classname is OPV 58 S, but for some reasons the length of the ships is 62,20 m.

The OPV 58 S will be fitted with missile systems, a first for both the Senegalese Navy and the Piriou shipyard. The 4 × Marte MK2/N anti-ship missiles will be placed forward of the bridge, just behind the OTO Melara 76 mm maingun.

www.navalnews.com

PIRIOU delivers Second OPV to the Senegalese Navy - Naval News

French shipbuilder PIRIOU delivered the second unit of the OPV 58 S class vessel program for the Senegalese Navy.
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OldTex

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ngatimozart said:
Looks like a LHD.
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Although the description in the Naval News article only identifies a stern ramp for UUV/USVs and hangar for UAVs. It might be able to temporarily carry helicopters on the the flight deck but there was no specific reference to an aircraft lift to a hangar deck. No doubt the actual vessel will different to the Damen rendering. In all likelihood it will primarily be an oceanic research vessel which can also serve as a hospital ship or HADR vessel.
 
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OldTex said:
In all likelihood it will primarily be an oceanic research vessel which can also serve as a hospital ship or HADR vessel.
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Since 71.6% of the ship is financed from a EU subsidy specific to the purpose of a oceanic research vessel that will definitely be its primary role.

Portugal itself is only paying 37.5 million Euro (i.e. 28.4%) in order to enable the ship to act as an emergency response and HADR vessel. Hence the ability to carry a single helicopter, the onboard hospital and the flexible cargo space.

It should be noted that the ship was tendered out as design-to-cost with a fixed budget (132 million Euro). And Damen doesn't exactly have the best reputation when it comes to actually completing builds that it bid on with a fixed budget. And Portugal is sorta notorious for announced projects vanishing into thin air at some point when it comes to ships for the Navy.
 
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kato said:
Since 71.6% of the ship is financed from a EU subsidy specific to the purpose of a oceanic research vessel that will definitely be its primary role.

Portugal itself is only paying 37.5 million Euro (i.e. 28.4%) in order to enable the ship to act as an emergency response and HADR vessel. Hence the ability to carry a single helicopter, the onboard hospital and the flexible cargo space.

It should be noted that the ship was tendered out as design-to-cost with a fixed budget (132 million Euro). And Damen doesn't exactly have the best reputation when it comes to actually completing builds that it bid on with a fixed budget. And Portugal is sorta notorious for announced projects vanishing into thin air at some point when it comes to ships for the Navy.
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|"The resulting design is truly a multi-purpose platform, with primary mission roles including oceanic research, search and rescue, and emergency relief in addition to maritime safety and naval support operations. To this end, the vessel will be capable of deploying unmanned drones and helicopters.For the oceanic research and monitoring scope of operations, the vessel will be equipped with laboratories and accommodation for scientific staff.

For the naval support aspect, the Damen-built vessel will have numerous design features to enable such operations. This will comprise a stern ramp for UUVs and USVs (Unmanned Underwater Vehicles and Unmanned Surface Vehicles) as well as a 94×11-metre flight deck and hangars for UAVs (Unmanned Aerial Vehicles)."|

That's indeed a lot of capabilities/tasks on a ship of only 107 meters long. And that for just €132 million.

But i don't believe that whole LHD-style 94×11 m flightdeck is only suitable for a single helicopter.
 
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Australia’s experience of Damen building to budget and on time with Sycamore, Stoker and Besant has been a good one. Admittedly, Nuyina didn’t go as well; but she was further outside Damien’s mainstream business than the others; and further outside than this ship looks to be as well.

For 132 million Euro they’ll be getting a ship built to merchant, not naval, standards.
 
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spoz said:
Australia’s experience of Damen building to budget and on time with Sycamore, Stoker and Besant has been a good one. Admittedly, Nuyina didn’t go as well; but she was further outside Damien’s mainstream business than the others; and further outside than this ship looks to be as well.

For 132 million Euro they’ll be getting a ship built to merchant, not naval, standards.
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Sycamore, Stoker and Besant were also all built in Vietnam, not sure if that had any impact on their schedule or budget.
 
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koxinga

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We have nice clear views now of the Taiwanese IDS during the launch. Hai Lung class inspired and probably copied their internal layout and structure.


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Ananda

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Add video on Hai Kun launch into water.


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Taiwan Launches Its First Indigenous Submarine - Naval News

Taiwan's first Indigenous Defense Submarine (IDS), Hai Kun (SS-711) , was launched today at the CSBC shipyard in Kaohsiung.
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Sonar system, torpedo tubes of Taiwan's sub prototype revealed - Focus Taiwan

The sonar system and torpedo tubes of Taiwan's first domestically built submarine prototype were seen in public for the first time late Monday when the ship was being moved to a dry dock to conduct final harbor acceptance tests (HAT).
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This part of Harbour acceptence Test, and the Submarine being towed to Dock. Interesting to see the capabilities against PLAN Type 39.

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Our Best Look At Taiwan’s First Homegrown Submarine

Taiwan’s first domestically made submarine, named Hai Kun, is now in the water and about to commence its first at-sea trials.
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Some analysis on Hai Kun as leading boat, base on pictures circulating.
 
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Sandhi Yudha

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Looking to the exterior, you would expect a size of at least 150 meters long and a large amount of crewmembers.

|"The MPSS 7000 is 107 x 20 metres. It is foreseen that it will be operated by a crew of 48 personnel, with additional facilities for up to 100 special personnel and extra, temporary, accommodation for 42 persons, for example in the event of a disaster relief operation. The MPSS 9000 is 130x 20 meters and is able to conduct even more operations."|

Later i realized the majority of the landingspots are for UAVs, and not helicopters. The small amount of crewmembers shows us that there is a high level of automation of the onboard systems.
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Damen unveils new Multi-Purpose Support Ship MPSS - Naval News

Damen has unveiled a new ship design based on modern defence and security requirements. The Multi-Purpose Support Ship (MPSS).
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Ananda

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With German SM2 fiasco, at least the Italians now can advertise that their 76mm Super Rapido is superior on using against drone. Superior and more economical rather then AA Missiles.

Put it in this thread as more to shown the options on anti drones from survace ships seems can turn out to be their gun. Not missiles.

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Italian Navy Destroyer Caio Duilio Shoots Down Drone In Red Sea

Italian Navy Destroyer Caio Duilio Shoots Down Houthi Drone In Red Sea, using her 76 mm guns. First naval action for Marina Militare.
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Sandhi Yudha

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Ananda said:
With German SM2 fiasco, at least the Italians now can advertise that their 76mm Super Rapido is superior on using against drone. Superior and more economical rather then AA Missiles.

Put it in this thread as more to shown the options on anti drones from survace ships seems can turn out to be their gun. Not missiles.

www.navalnews.com

Italian Navy Destroyer Caio Duilio Shoots Down Drone In Red Sea

Italian Navy Destroyer Caio Duilio Shoots Down Houthi Drone In Red Sea, using her 76 mm guns. First naval action for Marina Militare.
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It is also very likely that CIWS like RAPIDFire, Bofors 40 mm and Millennium 35 mm can handle such threats in an economical way with a short salvo/burst.

I wonder how well the Makassar Class LPDs can defend themselves against such UAVs with the OTO Melara Twin 40L70 Compact on board.
 
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Ananda

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Xavier in Qatar DIMDEX shown several new designs:

1. Italian MCMV,
2. Turkiye Light Corvette and Light Frigate,
3. Combat USV from China and Turkiye,
4. Damen OPV tailor for Pakistan Navy.

#4 I also already put in Pakistan Navy Thread. This is for me is OPV in name, as the set up more inline with full size Corvette. Most of the ships design in my opinion more aim for Nation that want to fokus on Coastal and Green Water defense.
 
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