Maybe you should actually investigate South Korean shipbuilding capabilities before making uninformed statements. The South Koreans build more warships than the Italians do, and generally they are better armed. I don't see an Italian DDG sporting anywhere near the capabilities of the South Korean KDXIII. Nor do I see an Italian ship like the Dokdo LHD. There is also nothing wrong with the quality of South Korean shipbuilding either.
Yes the UK had quality issues with their Tide Class AOR, but they were built by the then DMSE company and at that stage the company had quite a few problems. The RNZN had its AOR built by HHI and we have not had any issues with the build quality. Part of the reason is that we had a project management team comprising of RNZN engineering officers and contract SMEs embedded within the HHI shipyard building HMNZS Aotearoa, rather than just one or two people working from the Embassy.
You are a valued poster on here who offers good insights that are appreciated by many. There is no need for this chauvinistic, seemingly superior attitude.
It isnt chauvinistic.
I was refering to the civilian industry since i was answering to a post that affirmed that the bulk and LNG carrier production from Korea translates to Military capacity to build ships of quality.
I Studied in Seoul and wrote my thesis on global comparison of shipbuilding capacity. I have no intention at all to diminish them or also Japan since I come from a diplomatic family that worked there and in my Bolivian house Nisei constantly came and went.
The South Koreans build more warships than the Italians do,
Korean fleet displace
232,285 tonnes vs Italian fleet displacing around
275,000
and generally they are better armed
Do you think we didn't have a porcupine phase during the cold war?
From USNI on Audace Class
Italy’s fifth and sixth postwar destroyers, the two of the Audace class, are under construction. These good- looking ships will carry the new OTO Malera rapid-fire 5”/54 in two single mounts forward, four 3”/63 guns amidships, and Standard missile aft, as well as a complete manned helicopter facility, including hangar. Their antisubmarine equipment includes an Edo-built sonar comparable to the SQS 23 directing the Mk 32 torpedo launchers and the ASW helicopter. From an over-all design standpoint, the new Audace class is one of the best, really a steam-powered version of the American DX, with Standard missiles. All of this is accomplished on 4,400 tons.
Financially strapped, the Italian Navy has contributed little in the way of destroyer numbers but her designs and, increasingly, her technology are contributing to the destroyer state of the art.
Destroyers today have com
www.usni.org
I don't see an Italian DDG sporting anywhere near the capabilities of the South Korean KDXIII.
You build ships in regards to your needs, and we need a ship for the MED not to face the Chinese Fleet.
It isn't a a measuring contest. Why the FA-50 and Krab had such export but not Korean ships? It isn't a rhetoric question.
Our needs is operating under financial strain, when we see the amount of money Australia and Canada throw in their shipbuilding it astonish us.
A PPA is going to have an operation cost of 30% less than a FREMM and the FREMM is already 30% less than the previous class. (insider unconfirmed information)
FREMMs have only 16vls and the space for the rest of the 16vls is used for a gym for better living quarters (that helps with recruitment, a problem that you also suffer).
You can also see the low number of VLS also on the new DDX. Our first priority is getting hulls in the water because we have a negative public opinion. Normally we discover our SPG arrive in Ukraine only when they appear on frontline videos or we catch the transport train, if not all trasnfer of equipment is made in secret. Why the need to create an arms race in the MED if everyone is going to loose from it.
Nor do I see an Italian ship like the Dokdo LHD
I'm sorry but what are the Garibaldi and the Santi class for you? That we even exported twice to Algeria and Qatar? And existed way before the Dokdoo.
During MADEX (International Maritime Defense Industry Exhibition) 2021, one of the main naval exhibitions in the Asia Pacific area, Fincantieri has signed a contract with Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering (DSME) to support the Conceptual Design of the new class of aircraft carriers “CVX”...
www.navalnews.com
Remember they ask us for support.
I think that we can all stand behind the fact that the civilian industry in Europe producing middle equipment, super yachts and Cruisers brings more added technological value than the Korean-Japanese shipbuilding industry does. And that that added tech development in the civilian sector translates to military.
Didn't Kato just wrote some weeks ago about the German LNG ship?
Let me do another example of Civilian cross contamination:
Is it a coincidence of Uk development of SME nuclear reactors and their Submarine reactors vs the French refuelment system and the development of bigger nuclear style than UK? Or that German fielded a LNG ship?
I hope my post about Korean civil shipbuilding as indicator is better explained with this post.
