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Ok by no stretch of the imagination is a Maxim gun an HMG. It's a water-cooled medium machinegun.
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Yep I know but it's being used in that role. It's still a nasty bugger.
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In this context, how do you distinguish the role of a tripod-mounted MMG vs HMG? Because to me the primary distinction would be the max effective range and ability to penetrate cover. And in neither capacity does the Maxim gun offer HMG performance. It's in the same niche as a tripod-mounted PKM or M-240.
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EDIT: Sorry, I misread the post. These are his estimates of Ukrainian casualties. Therefore, take with the usual soup-ladle of salt.
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KipPotapych
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^ Pretty sure he said that VSU lost those numbers where Wagner was participating. According to him. I don't believe he was talking about Wagner losses.
Edit: Via google translate from the link above:
Yevgeny Viktorovich Prigozhin, answering a question about the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, said that according to the estimates of the "Orchestra" itself, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine since March 19, 2022 amount to approximately 38,000 killed, of which 32,000 are in Bakhmut, Soledar and other settlements of the Bakhmut section of the front. This figure is related exclusively to those battles where PMC attack aircraft took part.
On March 19, the date is not accidental, it was on that day that the Wagner assault detachments began their combat path in the SVO zone, arriving near Popasnaya.
"Now about the dead and wounded. We entered the fighting on March 19, 2022. From the first day of hostilities to the present day, our assessment for the destroyed enemy (divisions of PMC "Wagner") is only a cargo of 200, that is, for the killed (irreturnless losses) - 38 thousand people. Of these, 32,000 people are in Bakhmut, Soledar and the surrounding area when blocking Bakhmut." - E.V. Prigozhin.
Edit: Via google translate from the link above:
Yevgeny Viktorovich Prigozhin, answering a question about the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, said that according to the estimates of the "Orchestra" itself, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine since March 19, 2022 amount to approximately 38,000 killed, of which 32,000 are in Bakhmut, Soledar and other settlements of the Bakhmut section of the front. This figure is related exclusively to those battles where PMC attack aircraft took part.
On March 19, the date is not accidental, it was on that day that the Wagner assault detachments began their combat path in the SVO zone, arriving near Popasnaya.
"Now about the dead and wounded. We entered the fighting on March 19, 2022. From the first day of hostilities to the present day, our assessment for the destroyed enemy (divisions of PMC "Wagner") is only a cargo of 200, that is, for the killed (irreturnless losses) - 38 thousand people. Of these, 32,000 people are in Bakhmut, Soledar and the surrounding area when blocking Bakhmut." - E.V. Prigozhin.
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Well this is embarassing. You are correct. My sleep-deprived brain misread his statement. I'll correct my post now.
KipPotapych
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^ Happens to the best of us. You made me doubt what I read earlier today, so I checked - thought it was either me or google that got confused, haha.
On a separate note, according to the UA PM, the counteroffensive is more likely to take place in the summer now than spring. I still doubt they are capable of anything significant. Regardless, summer made more sense when they were planning for spring and still does today.
Edit: Sorry, a source as provided by the very first item in the google search; I believe I read it at the NYT or the WP today instead:
www.kyivpost.com
On a separate note, according to the UA PM, the counteroffensive is more likely to take place in the summer now than spring. I still doubt they are capable of anything significant. Regardless, summer made more sense when they were planning for spring and still does today.
Edit: Sorry, a source as provided by the very first item in the google search; I believe I read it at the NYT or the WP today instead:
PM Says Ukrainian Counteroffensive More Likely in Summer than Spring
Shmyhal says Ukraine will not rush with counteroffensive - needs to be 100 percent ready.
www.kyivpost.com
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Russia has been pummeling Zaporozhye areas with airstrikes around Orekhov and Malinovka. I wonder if some of Ukraine's attempts to move forces forward have been thwarted by interdiction strikes. There have been some rumblings from Ukrainian sources suggesting that Russia's current bombing campaign is something new, and something they don't have a way to deal with. But it's anecdotal so hard to be sure. Russia's failure in the skies has always been a big problem. On the flip side the front line is fairly fixed at this point, and it will take a lot of strikes to really make a dent felt. Concentrating the strikes in a few areas, like where Ukraine is moving forces forward in Zaporozhye, or where Russia is still trying to gain ground like Avdeevka, makes the most sense, and it looks a lot less silly then Russia's loitering munition usage which, aside from the one-off event in Pavlovka, has been a drip-use across multiple sections of the front line instead of being concentrated to support purposeful land forces efforts. The results have been a nasty attrition to Ukrainian artillery, with lostarmour estimates now showing 75 lost M777s, with over half lost due to loitering munitions. But no matching gains on the ground.^ Happens to the best of us. You made me doubt what I read earlier today, so I checked - thought it was either me or google that got confused, haha.
On a separate note, according to the UA PM, the counteroffensive is more likely to take place in the summer now than spring. I still doubt they are capable of anything significant. Regardless, summer made more sense when they were planning for spring and still does today.
Edit: Sorry, a source as provided by the very first item in the google search; I believe I read it at the NYT or the WP today instead:
PM Says Ukrainian Counteroffensive More Likely in Summer than Spring
Shmyhal says Ukraine will not rush with counteroffensive - needs to be 100 percent ready.
Capt. Ironpants
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I was sort of following this at the time, and the controversy over it in the Serbian press. I just now looked for news in English, as I doubt many here read Serbo-Croat*, but not a whole lot to be found. Here's one claiming that apparently the very colorful figure Slobodan Tešić was involved:Russia.
Sources indicate Ukraine may have received Grad munitions through Serbia. They were allegedly sourced by a Canadian company through Turkey into Slovakia and then Ukraine.
Moscow calling
Сербские "Грады", предположительно, уже на передовой. На стороне ВСУ, конечно. Опознавательный признак - краска, и покрытие блока стабилизаторов. Дальность, к слову, почти вдвое больше, чем у советских "Градов" (40 км против 20,4 км).t.me
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How did Serbian rockets end up in Ukraine?
Serbia has not officially exported weapons to Ukraine since the beginning of the armed conflict in Donbas, and later the Russian-Ukrainian war. Nevertheless, the Russian media report that the rockets from the Krušik arms factory, through intermediaries, ended in the hands of the Ukrainian army...
www.serbianmonitor.com
The Serbian defence minister recently denied Serbia had agreed to supply arms to Ukraine as claimed in the leaked documents now very much in the news (and the article claims a US company was involved, but only cites a Russian source for this, and again, claims Tešić involved):
Serbian Minister Dismisses US Report of Arms Exports to Ukraine
Defence Minister denies claims made in alleged leaked Pentagon document that Serbia has agreed to supply arms to Kyiv, saying: 'We have denied those falsehoods more than ten times'.
balkaninsight.com
According to the Toronto Star, Serbian Foreign Minister Ivica Dačić said "If private companies buy weapons in third states’ markets and then sell them to other companies in other countries, that is not a question for Serbia, that is international trade."
Serbia denies it has supplied weapons to Ukraine
BELGRADE, Serbia (AP) — Serbia on Friday denied it has exported arms to Ukraine after Moscow demanded to know if its Balkan ally delivered thousands of rockets for Ukraine’s fight against Russia’s invasion.
As for President Vučić, he waffled on the issue, first claiming:
"We are innocent as a lamb": Serbian President refutes reports of ammunition supply to Ukraine or Russia
On 5 March, Serbian President Aleksandar Vučić refuted the statements on supply of Serbian ammunition to Ukraine or Russia. Source: Vučić at the UN conference in Qatar, reports European Pravda citing Danas Details: According to Vučić, not a single item of Serbian weapons or ammunition has been...
And more recently repeating Dačić's line. I have my own educated guess about how this might have gone down, but will keep it to myself as I can find no supporting links for it. Anyone familiar with the Balkans and how things are done there and with Vučić's predicament can correctly surmise what it is.
Anyway, there has been controversy over the legality of Grads, and when and where they might legally be used, including arguments in the Hague. HRW has cited Ukraine forces (among others) for using them illegally in the past. Of course Russia uses them, too. The arguments are interesting, but probably belong on another thread. I am not sure which one.
Meanwhile, we have something of a curiosity here in the US. It seems a Russian T-90 captured by Ukraine has turned up at a Louisiana truck stop:
Suspected Russian tank ends up stuck at truck stop in Roanoke
A truck carrying what’s believed to be a captured Russian tank was left stranded for two days at a truck stop in Roanoke, La.
www.ksla.com
Russian tank captured by Ukrainian forces turns up at Louisiana truck stop
The T-90 tank is thought to have been captured last September by the 92nd Separate Mechanised Brigade, after being used in Kharkiv
This might turn out to be a fun story. I've always said Wars Can Be So Strange, and, truly, strange things really do happen in war.
*I refuse to split Serbo-Croat into the ridiculous, political and unscientific divisions "Bosnian", "Croatian", " Montenegran" and "Serbian". I am a stickler for such things, I suppose. The vast majority not only speak the same language, they speak the same standard dialect (Štokavian).
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It's funny while I was reading this Vučić (president of Serbia) was explaining on TV about the subject, basically Serbia will not export any arms directly to Russia or Ukraine, however they will export to third parties/countries that are friendly to either side and will not make much of a fuss when those arms end up in the conflict zone. The latest route that's being reported is through Turkey to Ukraine, before that there were supposed weapons found in Slovakia also bound for Ukraine (although the Slovakian one is not certain as there were some oddities with the documents including misspelled/wrong name of a defense minister) while on the other side Azerbaijan is being mentioned as a channel for Serbian arms to reach Russia (whether it's true or not I'm not certain although Serbian-Azerbaijan defense ties have been developing successfully in recent years so it could be just regular arms trade).I was sort of following this at the time, and the controversy over it in the Serbian press. I just now looked for news in English, as I doubt many here read Serbo-Croat*, but not a whole lot to be found. Here's one claiming that apparently the very colorful figure Slobodan Tešić was involved:
The Serbian defence minister recently denied Serbia had agreed to supply arms to Ukraine as claimed in the leaked documents now very much in the news (and the article claims a US company was involved, but only cites a Russian source for this, and again, claims Tešić involved):How did Serbian rockets end up in Ukraine?
Serbia has not officially exported weapons to Ukraine since the beginning of the armed conflict in Donbas, and later the Russian-Ukrainian war. Nevertheless, the Russian media report that the rockets from the Krušik arms factory, through intermediaries, ended in the hands of the Ukrainian army...
According to the Toronto Star, Serbian Foreign Minister Ivica Dačić said "If private companies buy weapons in third states’ markets and then sell them to other companies in other countries, that is not a question for Serbia, that is international trade."Serbian Minister Dismisses US Report of Arms Exports to Ukraine
Defence Minister denies claims made in alleged leaked Pentagon document that Serbia has agreed to supply arms to Kyiv, saying: 'We have denied those falsehoods more than ten times'.
As for President Vučić, he waffled on the issue, first claiming:Serbia denies it has supplied weapons to Ukraine
BELGRADE, Serbia (AP) — Serbia on Friday denied it has exported arms to Ukraine after Moscow demanded to know if its Balkan ally delivered thousands of rockets for Ukraine’s fight against Russia’s invasion.www.thestar.com
And more recently repeating Dačić's line. I have my own educated guess about how this might have gone down, but will keep it to myself as I can find no supporting links for it. Anyone familiar with the Balkans and how things are done there and with Vučić's predicament can correctly surmise what it is."We are innocent as a lamb": Serbian President refutes reports of ammunition supply to Ukraine or Russia
On 5 March, Serbian President Aleksandar Vučić refuted the statements on supply of Serbian ammunition to Ukraine or Russia. Source: Vučić at the UN conference in Qatar, reports European Pravda citing Danas Details: According to Vučić, not a single item of Serbian weapons or ammunition has been...www.yahoo.com
Not touching the language issue as it is a hotly debated subject within Serbia itself let alone most of former Yugoslavia.
Capt. Ironpants
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What else can Vučić say at this point? As I'm sure you know, ams trafficking has been a problem in those parts for decades, whether blatant trafficking in clear violation of laws, or semi-legitimate, skirting around laws, as appears to be the case here. Remember when a Ukrainian An-12 carrying Serbian arms crashed in Greece last year? Again, the interesting Mr. Tešić involved:
Mystery plane crash: Were Serbian weapons for Ukraine? – DW – 07/23/2022
Questions linger after a Ukrainian plane carrying Serbian weapons crashed in Greece. The incident spotlit Serbia's weapons industry and political corruption, as well as its attempts to balance between Russia and the EU.
www.dw.com
Serbia claimed those arms were headed for Bangladesh (via Jordan???):
Serbia Says Crashed Plane Was Carrying Serbian Weapons To Bangladesh
An Antonov cargo plane that crashed late on July 16 in northern Greece, was transporting 11.5 tons of Serbian weapons to Bangladesh, Serbian Defense Minister Nebojsa Stefanovic said on July 17.
www.rferl.org
I would not be at all surprised if Serbian arms were going to Russia by way of Azerbaijan. Serbia was selling arms to both Azerbaijan and Armenia not so long ago (with Vučić trying to wriggle out of the pot of hot water that landed him in, too):
Serbia is Playing With Fire, Delivering Arms to Armenia
As world attention focuses on the fighting in the Caucasus, discoveries that Serbian weapons have been sold to Armenia put Belgrade’s relations with important allies at risk.
balkaninsight.com
Guys like Tešić don't care where their wares end up, so long as they are making money.
Yes, the language issue is touchy in former Y, same as license plates. That's why I go with the science and avoid politics. In-county, you just call it "local language" to avoid grief.
No new news yet on the Russian T-90 in Louisiana, although it has reportedly left the truck stop and on its way to who knows where.
Ha, it's on its way to @Preceptor who lives in a State close by. Looks like he's going to use it in conjunction with MolijnarMeanwhile, we have something of a curiosity here in the US. It seems a Russian T-90 captured by Ukraine has turned up at a Louisiana truck stop:
Suspected Russian tank ends up stuck at truck stop in Roanoke
A truck carrying what’s believed to be a captured Russian tank was left stranded for two days at a truck stop in Roanoke, La.
Russian tank captured by Ukrainian forces turns up at Louisiana truck stop
The T-90 tank is thought to have been captured last September by the 92nd Separate Mechanised Brigade, after being used in Kharkivwww.telegraph.co.uk
This might turn out to be a fun story. I've always said Wars Can Be So Strange, and, truly, strange things really do happen in war.
A Ukrainian unit is using fire extinguisher baid warheads of their RPGs. Apparently the mix is 50% HE and 50% shrapnel creating a far bigger bang than the standard RPG HE warhead. The unit is comprised of Chechens who have been fighting for Ukraine since 2014.
A Ukrainian conversion kit for converting AK-74 and AKM rifles to bullpup configuration. It's quite ingenious.
A Ukrainian sniper talks about the current situation. I think that the video title is somewhat misleading.
UK Forces News discussion on whether or not Ukraine is ready for its next offensive.
A Ukrainian conversion kit for converting AK-74 and AKM rifles to bullpup configuration. It's quite ingenious.
A Ukrainian sniper talks about the current situation. I think that the video title is somewhat misleading.
UK Forces News discussion on whether or not Ukraine is ready for its next offensive.
A couple of Ukrainian video reports on the fighting. Note that the source is Ukrainian.
There are reports that Ukrainian forces have withdrawn from parts of Bakhmut.
Germany has approved the Polish export of ex Luftwaffe and DDR Air Force MIG-29 Fulcrums to Ukraine.
There are reports that Ukrainian forces have withdrawn from parts of Bakhmut.
Germany has approved the Polish export of ex Luftwaffe and DDR Air Force MIG-29 Fulcrums to Ukraine.
US Avenger SHORAD vehicles reported in Ukraine.
Map of situation in Bakhmut.
and Avdiivka.
Video of UK AS-90 SPH in Ukraine.
Russian 25mm 2M-3M naval gun on an arty tractor.
Ukrainian MIL-17 helo in action.
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1647004930027167744
Canada has sent three Leopard gunnery simulators to Poland for the training of Ukrainian tankers. And all eight Leopard tanks promised by Canada have arrived in Poland.
https://twitter.com/AnitaAnandMP/status/1646941721459040256
https://twitter.com/AnitaAnandMP/status/1646888145852538881
Destroyed FV103 Spartan in Bakhmut.
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1646899621749243906
A new driver undergoing training in Ukraine
https://twitter.com/InUAOfficial/status/1646881241671630851
Abandoned Russian T-80BV destroyed by UAV dropping grenade.
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1646878338886119426.
Czech provide MIL-24V Hind E in Ukrainian service.
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1646761092763271168
Ukraine has bolstered its Black Sea trilateral agreement with Moldova and Romania.
https://twitter.com/oleksiireznikov/status/1646528897541111809
Map of situation in Bakhmut.
and Avdiivka.
Video of UK AS-90 SPH in Ukraine.
Russian 25mm 2M-3M naval gun on an arty tractor.
Ukrainian MIL-17 helo in action.
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1647004930027167744
Canada has sent three Leopard gunnery simulators to Poland for the training of Ukrainian tankers. And all eight Leopard tanks promised by Canada have arrived in Poland.
https://twitter.com/AnitaAnandMP/status/1646941721459040256
https://twitter.com/AnitaAnandMP/status/1646888145852538881
Destroyed FV103 Spartan in Bakhmut.
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1646899621749243906
A new driver undergoing training in Ukraine
https://twitter.com/InUAOfficial/status/1646881241671630851
Abandoned Russian T-80BV destroyed by UAV dropping grenade.
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1646878338886119426.
Czech provide MIL-24V Hind E in Ukrainian service.
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1646761092763271168
Ukraine has bolstered its Black Sea trilateral agreement with Moldova and Romania.
https://twitter.com/oleksiireznikov/status/1646528897541111809
Larry_L
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I recently had a look at Ukraine weapons tracker. They are tracking weapons received, and destroyed. Of interest to me, among other things, are a Russian Russian 1L119 Nebo-SVU multi-functional radar as well as a Ukrainian Crab howitzer. This is the first report I have seen of one of those destroyed.
The following link is an Australian assessment of these radars, as well as their history.
The following link is an Australian assessment of these radars, as well as their history.
NNIIRT Nebo SVU / RLM-M Nebo M / Assessing Russia's First Mobile VHF AESAs
VHF radar, CVLO, Counter-stealth, Counter-VLO, guided missile, Nebo SV, Nebo SVU, Spoon Rest
www.ausairpower.net
Larry_L
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Behind the scenes the information, and cyber war goes on. Attack and defense continue to evolve, both at the state and the criminal level. Due to the war both Ukraine and Russia the state and criminal have intermixed with patriots on both sides using their skills to attack their perceived enemy.
The following is a government report on Russian cyber attacks with a lot of information, as well as many links, in a PDF format.
www.hackread.com
www.hackread.com
Meet the hacker armies on Ukraine's cyber front line
How links between ‘hacktivists’ and official military are becoming blurred on both sides in the war.
www.bbc.co.uk
The following is a government report on Russian cyber attacks with a lot of information, as well as many links, in a PDF format.
KillNet Claims Creating Gay Dating Profiles with NATO Logins
KillNet claims it carried out cyberattacks that resulted in the “paralysis” of 40% of NATO’s electronic infrastructure.
www.hackread.com
Ukrainian Hackers Breach Email of APT28 Leader, Who’s Wanted by FBI
APT28, or Fancy Bear, is a Russian government-backed nefarious hacking group known for using spear-phishing campaigns against its targets.
www.hackread.com
Aus Air Power (APA) is not a recognized source on here. It published a lot of rubbish and lies about the F-35.
Larry_L
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Good to know. I think Russia claimed this radar was capable of detecting all stealth aircraft. In the case of the F-22, and F-35 I really doubt that claim. Perhaps this is a better source. I am pretty sure this covers the same radar. NATO code name BOX SPRING.
55ZH6 "Nebo-SVU" Mobile multi-band radar complex
It might be interesting to have a thread on the veracity of some of the sources.
John Fedup
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Might be worthwhile, APA would be high on the zero veracity scale. I revisited the site and noticed no updates since 2014. Surprised the site was still around.Good to know. I think Russia claimed this radar was capable of detecting all stealth aircraft. In the case of the F-22, and F-35 I really doubt that claim. Perhaps this is a better source. I am pretty sure this covers the same radar. NATO code name BOX SPRING.
55ZH6 "Nebo-SVU" Mobile multi-band radar complex
www.globalsecurity.org
It might be interesting to have a thread on the veracity of some of the sources.