I wonder what the readiness rate of the rest of the fleet is ? I get the impression they don't get a lot of sea days.
Argentine navy future
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I wonder what the readiness rate of the rest of the fleet is ? I get the impression they don't get a lot of sea days.
The Argentine navy has received US approval to upgrade its 4 P-3C that it recently acquired through the US EDA program.
USA approves $78m upgrade to Argentina’s recently bought P-3C aircraft
USA approves $78m upgrade to Argentina’s recently bought P-3C aircraft
Sandhi Yudha
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The second ship of the Gowind OPV/l'Adroit class has been launched, Argentina's first new class of larger vessels in decades.
www.navalnews.com
Naval Group Launches Second OPV for Argentina - A.R.A Piedrabuena - Naval News
The second of the four Offshore Patrol Vessel (OPVs) ordered by Argentina has been launched at Piriou’s Shipyards in Concarneau (Britany).
www.navalnews.com
Sandhi Yudha
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So, last week ARA Piedrabuena 52, the second OPV of the order of four, was launched at the Kership yard.
The first ship of the class ARA Bouchard, before modernisation in use by the Marine Nationale as the L'Adroit P725, is armed with a Giat 20 mm gun, but it seems that the new built vessels all getting something bigger, it looks like an Oto Melara Marlin 30 mm gun.
The first ship of the class ARA Bouchard, before modernisation in use by the Marine Nationale as the L'Adroit P725, is armed with a Giat 20 mm gun, but it seems that the new built vessels all getting something bigger, it looks like an Oto Melara Marlin 30 mm gun.
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Yes, I agree with you Musashi
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OPV 87 A.R.A. Piedrabuena handed over to Argentine Navy - Naval News
A.R.A. Piedrabuena has been delivered yesterday to the Argentine Navy in the presence of Captain Víctor Ortiz, representative of the Navy in France, who also recognised Commander Gastón Vega in his assumption of command.
www.navalnews.com
This delivery is part of the contract signed by Naval Group with Argentina in 2018 for the delivery of four multi-mission patrol vessels of the Gowind-family. This second patrol vessel of the series acquired by the Argentine Navy, is the first new constructed warship for the Argentina Navy in decades. It offers the same assets and features as those of the first one, the A.R.A. Bouchard, which was in use with the Marine Nationale as the l'Adroit for six years.
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The last of the four Offshore Patrol Vessel 87 (OPV 87) ordered to Naval Group by the Argentine Navy, the A.R.A. Contraalmirante Cordero, has been launched this Tuesday 21 September at the Piriou Shipyard in Concarneau.
Two ships are already delivered to the Argentina Navy, A.R.A. Storni (the 3rd ship) was launched on 10 May 2021 and will be delivered next October.
These 87 meter long Offshore Patrol Vessels have a maximum speed of only 20 kts, but are able to stay on deep seas during more than three weeks.
www.navalnews.com
Two ships are already delivered to the Argentina Navy, A.R.A. Storni (the 3rd ship) was launched on 10 May 2021 and will be delivered next October.
These 87 meter long Offshore Patrol Vessels have a maximum speed of only 20 kts, but are able to stay on deep seas during more than three weeks.
Naval Group Launches Fourth and Final OPV for Argentine Navy - Naval News
The last of the four Offshore Patrol Vessel 87 (OPV 87) ordered to Naval Group by the Argentine Navy, the A.R.A. Contraalmirante Cordero, has been launched this Tuesday 21 September in Concarneau.
www.navalnews.com
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Argentina increases defence and security spending for remainder of 2021
On 26 November the Argentine government issued ‘Decree 809/2021' that provided additional funding for the Ministry of Defense (MoD) and Ministry of Security, adding...
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The Ministry of Defense (MoD) and Ministry of Security, will get about USD220 million more for defence.
This includes $17 million for helicopter projects for the coast guard.
The extra budget for the armed forces also includes a first payment of USD2 million for the recently purchased RBS-70NG missiles (for a total of about USD45 million), according to annexes in the decree.
Argentina ordered the RBS 70 NG in 2016, which made the country one of many which ordered the RBS 70 NG.
The joint training and exercises for submarine operations will be performed on Peruan submarines.
Argentine and Peruvian navies focus on joint submarine training as they eye fleet revamps
As the Argentine and Peruvian navies revamp their struggling submarine fleets, the two countries' maritime forces are focusing on joint training to help retain their...
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Sandhi Yudha
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Argentina is studying the purchase of a submarine to reinforce defense - The Rio Times
Argentine Minister of Defense held talks with French company Naval Group to study the possibility of the purchase of a submarine
www.riotimesonline.com
As far as i know a part of the Argentina Navy is unserviceable because of the lack of funds, and the two surviving submarines are also not active anymore. So i have my doubts that they have the budget to buy a single submarine, let alone to have enough budget after the acquisition for operation and maintenance.
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Hopefully these two Sikorsky SH-3 Sea Kings do have enough flight hours left over, because Sikorsky had ended production of the type during the 1970s, so these oldtimers are more than 40 years old.
This is probably the most cost effective way to get two second hand medium utility helicopters for two years, for a navy which already operates the Sikorsky SH-3 Sea King.
www.aviacionline.com
This is probably the most cost effective way to get two second hand medium utility helicopters for two years, for a navy which already operates the Sikorsky SH-3 Sea King.
Argentina: Approved purchase of two modernized Sikorsky SH-3H Sea King for the Navy
Pursuant to Administrative Decision 1277/2021, the Cabinet of Ministers authorized the expenditure of US$ 12,835,000 for the purchase of two modified and upgrad
www.aviacionline.com
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A.R.A. Contraalmirante Cordero has been delivered to the Argentine Navy yesterday on 13 April 2022. The A.R.A. Contraalmirante Cordero is the last vessel of the Gowind Bouchard Class of OPVs. It is part of the contract signed by Naval Group with Argentina in 2019 for the supply of four Offshore Patrol Vessels.
These 1450 ton Offshore Patrol Vessels are able to stay on high seas during more than three weeks (also in the cold waters of Antarctica), to reach a speed of 20 knots and to accommodate a helicopter.
www.navalnews.com
These 1450 ton Offshore Patrol Vessels are able to stay on high seas during more than three weeks (also in the cold waters of Antarctica), to reach a speed of 20 knots and to accommodate a helicopter.
Naval Group delivers the 4th and final OPV 87 to Argentina - Naval News
Naval Group delivered last of the four Argentinian OPV 87, A.R.A. Contraalmirante Cordero, to the Argentine Navy today (13 April).
www.navalnews.com
kiwipatriot69
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I would ask I wonder if that would be a good SOPV for RNZN, but it seems that's not going to happen now.
Sandhi Yudha
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According to Defensenews, Argentina is involved in “advanced negotiations” to buy three new diesel-electric submarines, with an potential estimated minimum cost of $1,3 billion.
Advanced or not, these are still just negotiations.
www.defensenews.com
The two surviving submarines in the fleet are probably too old and worn out to be overhauled and upgraded.
Advanced or not, these are still just negotiations.
Argentina in talks with Naval Group, ThyssenKrupp for three submarines
The project, with an estimated minimum cost of $1.3 billion, aims to fulfill the needs of the Argentine Navy, which has no operational submarine today.
www.defensenews.com
The two surviving submarines in the fleet are probably too old and worn out to be overhauled and upgraded.
They can't fund fast jets for their air force, so how are they going to fund new subs?According to Defensenews, Argentina is involved in “advanced negotiations” to buy three new diesel-electric submarines, with an potential estimated minimum cost of $1,3 billion.
Advanced or not, these are still just negotiations.
Argentina in talks with Naval Group, ThyssenKrupp for three submarines
The project, with an estimated minimum cost of $1.3 billion, aims to fulfill the needs of the Argentine Navy, which has no operational submarine today.
The two surviving submarines in the fleet are probably too old and worn out to be overhauled and upgraded.
That's deliberate political choices, not lack of economic capability.
Argentina's a middle-income country held back from being richer by political incompetence, but that still leaves plenty of money available for a couple of squadrons of fighters & a few submarines - if the politicians choose to make it available. Ships have rusted & sunk in harbour because the government refused to provide money for maintenance, not because there was no money to be had. IIRC military pensions & pay for senior officers have continuued to be fully funded. Peronist governments want the armed forces to be toothless, but not angry enough to be rebellious. They pay for fisheries protection vessels, because workers in the fishing industry wouldn't vote for them otherwise.
They're confident nobody will attack them, & fear coups.
Note that Argentina has almost twice the GDP of Chile. Compare the armed forces. Chile's make Argentina's look like a joke these days. Other countries which in theory have less economic ability to support military spending include Norway, Singapore, & the UAE. Greece has between a third & 40% of Argentina's GDP, depending on how you count it. Look at what Greece is buying at the moment. Frigates, fighters . . . .
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Argentina was saved twice from economical default by the IMF.
www.theguardian.com
Also, their public debt ( without taking into account the 2018 IMF loan ) is not exactly sustainable, considering their general economical situation.
Their monetary politics is not exactly working out well too...
www.bbc.com
To compare Argentina with countries like Greece or the UAE is not a good comparison...
How can you compare Argentina with those countries? Greece is literally facing a decades long cold-war with Turkey and the UAE are buying military equipment as a way to improve relations with foreign countries.
Argentina gets biggest loan in IMF's history at $57bn
Strict restrictions on funds include commitment to zero deficit for 2019 and limits on central bank actions
www.theguardian.com
Also, their public debt ( without taking into account the 2018 IMF loan ) is not exactly sustainable, considering their general economical situation.
Their monetary politics is not exactly working out well too...
Argentina inflation soars past 100% mark
Inflation hits triple digits for the first time since the period of hyperinflation in the early 1990s.
www.bbc.com
To compare Argentina with countries like Greece or the UAE is not a good comparison...
How can you compare Argentina with those countries? Greece is literally facing a decades long cold-war with Turkey and the UAE are buying military equipment as a way to improve relations with foreign countries.
The fiasco of Argentina's public finances is entirely self-inflicted. The underlying economy has many strengths, but politicians who only care about power handicap them.
The comparison is valid. I was pointing out that the failure to raise the money for a squadron of jet fighters is not because of poverty, but a political choice. The UAE & Greece make different political choices, as does Chile.
The comparison is valid. I was pointing out that the failure to raise the money for a squadron of jet fighters is not because of poverty, but a political choice. The UAE & Greece make different political choices, as does Chile.