Great news .... if you have images that would be great. I had a look at the defence site and cannot find anything on this event. Mind you the reporting of progress with the OPV's has been sparse.Actually, she is being floated off today.
Great news .... if you have images that would be great. I had a look at the defence site and cannot find anything on this event. Mind you the reporting of progress with the OPV's has been sparse.Actually, she is being floated off today.
This quote is interesting from the ANAO Report 13 -2021/2022ANAO reported 3 issues with the Leonardo gun.
1. Not integrated with 9LV.
2. Doesn’t meet EO handling / storage requirements or RAN’s desire for ‘commonality’.
3. A review of RAN’s threat assessment for this class has recommended against this system...
Dot point 3 most are assuming, means RAN has assessed a need for more capability, not less, but that is purely speculation at present as RAN has refused to comment on this, even though ANAO has published this information…
Weird that there is so little media on this, it is not a bad story. Assume you have internal access to the Luerssen site as there is nothing I can see on the publicly available one.Didn't get an invite; so watched it on the live stream on the Luerssen site. Understand there was a presser with MinDef and CN afterwards, so presume it will get at least some coverage on the news either on line or on live TV.
Sorry, no gun fitted at present
You mistake the news media for being interested in good news. Bad news gets more clicks, every timeWeird that there is so little media on this, it is not a bad story. Assume you have internal access to the Luerssen site as there is nothing I can see on the publicly available one.
Maybe this BAE 40mm gun:Lurssen is NVL now? Man so many companies changing names all the time.
At least with the 57mm, it is in use with many of those in our region (malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia, Brunei etc) , and would provide some opportunity to train and operate alongside. All BAE sourced guns?
Careful with that word commonality. Media/ASPI would presume they are putting 5" mod 4's on them. Pocket destroyers. Fletcher class?
Happy the OPV's are moving along. Would be nice to know what they yards are building once these four are finished.
First of all, I will do you the courtsey of answering these charges with civility. I don't understand why this is in red, for what I would say is a badly worded sentence. It is not in the realm of malice or fantasy. I do appreciate that this is your forum and I'm just a guest. Therefore you can write in what ever colour you want. I appreciate the professional conduct of this forum so I respect your choices.To right that Minister Dutton should remind the contractors and suppliers to lift their game. The Commonwealth of Australia is after all the customer who is paying for the product and / or service. With thousands, millions, and billions of Australian taxpayers dollars at stake, and both a moral and legal responsibility to ensure that the taxpayers money is not needlessly wasted, mis-spent, or illegally spent. Certain defence companies have been caught out using nefarious practices in some countries in order to secure contracts. Some others have used less than honest practices to secure a contract by low bidding and excessive promising, then being unable to deliver within budget and on time. How many defence firms has India blackballed over the years for allegations of bribing Indian government political, bureaucratic, and procurement officials?
Boeings bidding on the KC-46 project is an example and that has spectacularly backfired on them because the first USAF tranche is a fixed price contract, and so far they've had to wear cost overruns of greater value than the original contract. Airbus has had to pay the A400M partner governments tens of billions of euros in penalties for the continual delays to the program and the budget blowouts. Plus the partner nations have had to provide Airbus with multiple cash injections to keep the program running.
Noted, and to be fair, it was not clear what you meant and it could have quite easily be read as criticism of Minster Dutton. You have put that to rest.First of all, I will do you the courtsey of answering these charges with civility. I don't understand why this is in red, for what I would say is a badly worded sentence. It is not in the realm of malice or fantasy. I do appreciate that this is your forum and I'm just a guest. Therefore you can write in what ever colour you want. I appreciate the professional conduct of this forum so I respect your choices.
The post is about the man not politics. On border defence he was a political fixer. He took the hard decisions and moved things forward. I believe he will do the same as defence minister. That is my opinion about the nature of the man not his poltics.
The message was an opinion with information fillers. That way I would not break the rule that you can't post single sentences.
He has form with subs and helicopters.
I'm guessing this sentence is what needs addressing or fixing
If I had wrote "During his time he has been decisive about helicopters and submarines". This is true and a number of articles would attribute the current decision to him. I treat members on this forum as intelligent and I don't want to bog it down with meaningless obvious information.
The second thing I appreciate members have put a lot of hard hours in to rectify the helicopter problems. To have the rug pulled out is upsetting. I can relate both in my current profession and when the RAAF retired the Orions. That was a piece of my youth slipping away. I have nothing but respect for those members and appreciation of the work they do.
What I was trying to say the MH90 has been a project of concern since 2011. The same information has been given to a number of Labour and Liberal defence ministers over that time. For whatever reason they chose collectivley to do nothing publicly. Dutton made a decision and that is reported in any number of publications as his decision. Again the man not politics. Attached is the current government report of the project and ministers statement.
Strengthening Army's helicopter capability | Defence Ministers
The Morrison Government has taken steps to strengthen the Australian Army’s helicopter capability by formally requesting advice from the United States Government on the acquisition of up to 40 UH-60 Black Hawk to potentially replace the MRH90 Taipan helicopter.Minister for Defence the Hon Peter...www.minister.defence.gov.au
The submarine decision was announced publically under his watch. I appreciate that negotiations went on before he was the minister. Therefore I acknowledge that this was missing from my original post. Technically I supose I'm wrong because the initital announcement was by Biden, Johnson and Morrison. My point is it was announced publically during his watch.
This statement is 2 months after the announcement. Things are ticking along.Australia signs exchange of naval nuclear propulsion information sharing agreement | Defence Ministers
The signing of the Exchange of Naval Nuclear Propulsion Information Agreement (the Agreement) with our AUKUS partners – the United Kingdom and the United States – is another important step in Australia’s pursuit of conventionally armed, nuclear-powered submarines.Minister for Defence the Hon...www.minister.defence.gov.au
Regards
DD
It appears that NUSHIP Arafura has the same pennant number, 203, as the former HMAS Fremantle, lead ship of the Fremantle class PBs.Now on the ADBR site and looks very nice, even without the GunFirst Royal Australian Navy Arafura class OPV launched | ADBR
The first of 12 Arafura class offshore patrol vessels for the Royal Australian Navy has been launched at the Osborne shipyard in Adelaide. Based on the Luerssen OPV80 design, NUSHIP…adbr.com.au
I would say the rest of the class will follow suit 204,205....etcIt appears that NUSHIP Arafura has the same pennant number, 203, as the former HMAS Fremantle, lead ship of the Fremantle class PBs.
Here’s an article that was written by Andrew Probyn and published by the ABC on 16th September 2021, the same day of the AUKUS announcement:First of all, I will do you the courtsey of answering these charges with civility. I don't understand why this is in red, for what I would say is a badly worded sentence. It is not in the realm of malice or fantasy. I do appreciate that this is your forum and I'm just a guest. Therefore you can write in what ever colour you want. I appreciate the professional conduct of this forum so I respect your choices.
The post is about the man not politics. On border defence he was a political fixer. He took the hard decisions and moved things forward. I believe he will do the same as defence minister. That is my opinion about the nature of the man not his poltics.
The message was an opinion with information fillers. That way I would not break the rule that you can't post single sentences.
He has form with subs and helicopters.
I'm guessing this sentence is what needs addressing or fixing
If I had wrote "During his time he has been decisive about helicopters and submarines". This is true and a number of articles would attribute the current decision to him. I treat members on this forum as intelligent and I don't want to bog it down with meaningless obvious information.
The second thing I appreciate members have put a lot of hard hours in to rectify the helicopter problems. To have the rug pulled out is upsetting. I can relate both in my current profession and when the RAAF retired the Orions. That was a piece of my youth slipping away. I have nothing but respect for those members and appreciation of the work they do.
What I was trying to say the MH90 has been a project of concern since 2011. The same information has been given to a number of Labour and Liberal defence ministers over that time. For whatever reason they chose collectivley to do nothing publicly. Dutton made a decision and that is reported in any number of publications as his decision. Again the man not politics. Attached is the current government report of the project and ministers statement.
Strengthening Army's helicopter capability | Defence Ministers
The Morrison Government has taken steps to strengthen the Australian Army’s helicopter capability by formally requesting advice from the United States Government on the acquisition of up to 40 UH-60 Black Hawk to potentially replace the MRH90 Taipan helicopter.Minister for Defence the Hon Peter...www.minister.defence.gov.au
The submarine decision was announced publically under his watch. I appreciate that negotiations went on before he was the minister. Therefore I acknowledge that this was missing from my original post. Technically I supose I'm wrong because the initital announcement was by Biden, Johnson and Morrison. My point is it was announced publically during his watch.
This statement is 2 months after the announcement. Things are ticking along.Australia signs exchange of naval nuclear propulsion information sharing agreement | Defence Ministers
The signing of the Exchange of Naval Nuclear Propulsion Information Agreement (the Agreement) with our AUKUS partners – the United Kingdom and the United States – is another important step in Australia’s pursuit of conventionally armed, nuclear-powered submarines.Minister for Defence the Hon...www.minister.defence.gov.au
Regards
DD
Thanks when I did an edit I did acknowledge Linda Reynolds involvement with the same article. I also included a article from Andrew Probyn. BTW I'm sure when this came out there were many articles written about the origin of the deal. ASPI & other well know sites had nothing today. That is why I posted the same sources.Here’s an article that was written by Andrew Probyn and published by the ABC on 16th September 2021, the same day of the AUKUS announcement:
Morrison has gone nuclear — and there's no turning back
The geostrategic wrestle between Washington and Beijing is one for the ages and Australia is now to play an even bigger role — in a stealthier and speedier bit of nuclear kit, writes Andrew Probyn.www.abc.net.au
Specifically this paragraph:
“The ABC understands the federal government began exploring the nuclear-powered submarine option about 18 months ago when Linda Reynolds was still defence minister.”
Then there is this, a transcript of the PMs press conference on the same day too, 16th September 2021:
This quote:
“I want to thank the Secretary of Defence and the Chief of Defence Force, and all of those who have worked so hard within both organisations over the course of these last 18 months.”
And this quote too:
“Can I also thank Linda Reynolds, the former Minister for Defence. It was Linda and I who commenced this project many, many many months ago, and we worked very closely together on this over a long period of time, and I want to acknowledge her role in getting us to where we are today.”
This is a quality forum and I would hate to loose access. My attitude is read lots and only post when in my judgement I have something meaningful to contribute. That red warning I received I thought was a court marshal. I do not need this worry. I acknowledge the post was rash and written quickly. Yes an explanation is required to clarify any misunderstanding. If I did blatantly break the rules, I would expect full reprocussions. I will promise that will not happen intentionally. So please do not scare me.Noted, and to be fair, it was not clear what you meant and it could have quite easily be read as criticism of Minster Dutton. You have put that to rest.
Certainly all the 'difficulties' with these programmes were known prior to the minister taking over. Certainly the 'decision' made in respect to the OPV gun was made well before 12 June when NVL were advised to change track. I suspect it is a combination of a rapidly deteriorating regional situations in addition to contractual issues.
Nothing on the ABC either ..... in respect of nuship Arafura being launched. Given the defence press release is out this is most odd. I have not seen anything from the other main media outlets as well. Odd!!!Been looking at defence reporting the last few days to see if there is any more on the Arafura gun problem reported by AFR.
Nothing on ASPI, APDR, ADM, ADBR, Defence Connect, Def Mins website, ABC, etc.
This is not the first time I’ve seen a Defence ‘problem’ reported by AFRs Andrew Tillett and not be reported by any other Defence Media outlet.
Doesn’t really surprise me, Andrew Tillett and Andrew Green from the ABC (the two Andrews) often do ‘the sky is falling’ reports.
Funny that, hey?
Nothing on the ABC either ..... in respect of nuship Arafura being launched. Given the defence press release is out this is most odd. I have not seen anything from the other main media outlets as well. Odd!!!
post script .... the Canberra Times did run an article 7 hours ago.