Great news .... if you have images that would be great. I had a look at the defence site and cannot find anything on this event. Mind you the reporting of progress with the OPV's has been sparse.
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This quote is interesting from the ANAO Report 13 -2021/2022
2020-21 Major Projects Report | Offshore Patrol Vessel (anao.gov.au)
The risk to certification of the previous armament has been retired owing to Government approval for a different armament solution. As a result, an emerging risk has been raised to reflect ongoing monitoring of the new armament replacement solution
The report suggests there was an understanding that there was a problem a while ago (prior to June 2021) and it was not able to be resolved without delays to ship 01.
In June 2021 due to technical certification concerns by Navy, a revised threat assessment and a requirement for commonality, Luerssen Australia was directed to terminate the main gun contract with Leonardo Australia. An interim gun solution is being investigated for the Arafura OPVs using the existing Navy, 25mm Typhoon Mod 0 until a replacement gun is identified.
Basically this decision was made before June 2021 and has only just been picked up by media.
Didn't get an invite; so watched it on the live stream on the Luerssen site. Understand there was a presser with MinDef and CN afterwards, so presume it will get at least some coverage on the news either on line or on live TV.
Sorry, no gun fitted at present
Sorry, no gun fitted at present
Weird that there is so little media on this, it is not a bad story. Assume you have internal access to the Luerssen site as there is nothing I can see on the publicly available one.Didn't get an invite; so watched it on the live stream on the Luerssen site. Understand there was a presser with MinDef and CN afterwards, so presume it will get at least some coverage on the news either on line or on live TV.
Sorry, no gun fitted at present
You mistake the news media for being interested in good news. Bad news gets more clicks, every time
oldsig
Lurssen is NVL now? Man so many companies changing names all the time.
At least with the 57mm, it is in use with many of those in our region (malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia, Brunei etc) , and would provide some opportunity to train and operate alongside. All BAE sourced guns?
Careful with that word commonality. Media/ASPI would presume they are putting 5" mod 4's on them. Pocket destroyers. Fletcher class?
Happy the OPV's are moving along. Would be nice to know what they yards are building once these four are finished.
At least with the 57mm, it is in use with many of those in our region (malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia, Brunei etc) , and would provide some opportunity to train and operate alongside. All BAE sourced guns?
Careful with that word commonality. Media/ASPI would presume they are putting 5" mod 4's on them. Pocket destroyers. Fletcher class?
Happy the OPV's are moving along. Would be nice to know what they yards are building once these four are finished.
John Newman
The Bunker Group
Maybe this BAE 40mm gun:
BAE Systems 40Mk4 naval guns selected for Belgian and Dutch rMCM program - Naval News
BAE Systems has been selected to supply 12 Bofors 40 Mk4 naval guns to the Belgian and Dutch navies as part of the Mine Counter Measures Vessels (rMCM) program.
www.navalnews.com
First of all, I will do you the courtsey of answering these charges with civility. I don't understand why this is in red, for what I would say is a badly worded sentence. It is not in the realm of malice or fantasy. I do appreciate that this is your forum and I'm just a guest. Therefore you can write in what ever colour you want. I appreciate the professional conduct of this forum so I respect your choices.
The post is about the man not politics. When Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, followed by home affairs he was a political fixer. He took the hard decisions and moved things forward. I believe he will do the same as defence minister. That is my opinion about the nature of the man not his poltics.
The message was an opinion with information fillers. That way I would not break the rule that you can't post single sentences.
He has form with subs and helicopters.
I'm guessing this sentence is what needs addressing or fixing
If I had wrote "During his time he has been decisive about helicopters and submarines". This is true and a number of articles would attribute the current decision to him. I treat members on this forum as intelligent and I don't want to bog it down with meaningless obvious information.
The second thing I appreciate members have put a lot of hard hours in to rectify the helicopter problems. To have the rug pulled out is upsetting. I can relate both in my current profession and when the RAAF retired the Orions. That was a piece of my youth slipping away. I have nothing but respect for those members and appreciation of the work they do.
What I was trying to say the MH90 has been a project of concern since 2011. The same information has been given to a number of Labour and Liberal defence ministers over that time. For whatever reason they chose collectivley to do nothing publicly. Dutton made a decision and that is reported in any number of publications as his decision. Again the man not politics. Attached is the current government report of the project and ministers statement.
Strengthening Army's helicopter capability | Defence Ministers
The Morrison Government has taken steps to strengthen the Australian Army’s helicopter capability by formally requesting advice from the United States Government on the acquisition of up to 40 UH-60 Black Hawk to potentially replace the MRH90 Taipan helicopter.Minister for Defence the Hon Peter...
The submarine decision was announced publically under his watch. I appreciate that negotiations went on before he was the minister.
Morrison has gone nuclear — and there's no turning back
The ABC post explains that.
Technically I supose I'm wrong because the initital announcement was by Biden, Johnson and Morrison. My point is it was announced publically during his watch.
Australia signs exchange of naval nuclear propulsion information sharing agreement | Defence Ministers
The signing of the Exchange of Naval Nuclear Propulsion Information Agreement (the Agreement) with our AUKUS partners – the United Kingdom and the United States – is another important step in Australia’s pursuit of conventionally armed, nuclear-powered submarines.Minister for Defence the Hon...
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DD
Moderator Edit: Previous warning removed and no longer applies. DD has explained circumstances.
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Noted, and to be fair, it was not clear what you meant and it could have quite easily be read as criticism of Minster Dutton. You have put that to rest.First of all, I will do you the courtsey of answering these charges with civility. I don't understand why this is in red, for what I would say is a badly worded sentence. It is not in the realm of malice or fantasy. I do appreciate that this is your forum and I'm just a guest. Therefore you can write in what ever colour you want. I appreciate the professional conduct of this forum so I respect your choices.
The post is about the man not politics. On border defence he was a political fixer. He took the hard decisions and moved things forward. I believe he will do the same as defence minister. That is my opinion about the nature of the man not his poltics.
The message was an opinion with information fillers. That way I would not break the rule that you can't post single sentences.
He has form with subs and helicopters.
I'm guessing this sentence is what needs addressing or fixing
If I had wrote "During his time he has been decisive about helicopters and submarines". This is true and a number of articles would attribute the current decision to him. I treat members on this forum as intelligent and I don't want to bog it down with meaningless obvious information.
The second thing I appreciate members have put a lot of hard hours in to rectify the helicopter problems. To have the rug pulled out is upsetting. I can relate both in my current profession and when the RAAF retired the Orions. That was a piece of my youth slipping away. I have nothing but respect for those members and appreciation of the work they do.
What I was trying to say the MH90 has been a project of concern since 2011. The same information has been given to a number of Labour and Liberal defence ministers over that time. For whatever reason they chose collectivley to do nothing publicly. Dutton made a decision and that is reported in any number of publications as his decision. Again the man not politics. Attached is the current government report of the project and ministers statement.
Strengthening Army's helicopter capability | Defence Ministers
The Morrison Government has taken steps to strengthen the Australian Army’s helicopter capability by formally requesting advice from the United States Government on the acquisition of up to 40 UH-60 Black Hawk to potentially replace the MRH90 Taipan helicopter.Minister for Defence the Hon Peter...www.minister.defence.gov.au
The submarine decision was announced publically under his watch. I appreciate that negotiations went on before he was the minister. Therefore I acknowledge that this was missing from my original post. Technically I supose I'm wrong because the initital announcement was by Biden, Johnson and Morrison. My point is it was announced publically during his watch.
This statement is 2 months after the announcement. Things are ticking along.Australia signs exchange of naval nuclear propulsion information sharing agreement | Defence Ministers
The signing of the Exchange of Naval Nuclear Propulsion Information Agreement (the Agreement) with our AUKUS partners – the United Kingdom and the United States – is another important step in Australia’s pursuit of conventionally armed, nuclear-powered submarines.Minister for Defence the Hon...
Regards
DD
Certainly all the 'difficulties' with these programmes were known prior to the minister taking over. Certainly the 'decision' made in respect to the OPV gun was made well before 12 June when NVL were advised to change track. I suspect it is a combination of a rapidly deteriorating regional situations in addition to contractual issues.
Seriously, only the National Tribune is running a story so far on the Nuship Arafura launch. And they are based in Toowoomba in Queensland. DoD media really is pretty poor as there is still nothing on their website..... even the release that has obviously gone out.
Launch of first Arafura Class Offshore Patrol Vessel | The National Tribune
post script - I stand corrected ... this has popped up under Minister Price's page. Not even an image of the event.
Launch of the first Arafura Class Offshore Patrol Vessel | Department of Defence Ministers
post script 2 - and Nova Peris's facebook page has some images as vessel sponsor.
I am still of the view it is a pretty dismal effort.
Launch of first Arafura Class Offshore Patrol Vessel | The National Tribune
post script - I stand corrected ... this has popped up under Minister Price's page. Not even an image of the event.
Launch of the first Arafura Class Offshore Patrol Vessel | Department of Defence Ministers
post script 2 - and Nova Peris's facebook page has some images as vessel sponsor.
I am still of the view it is a pretty dismal effort.
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Redlands18
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First Royal Australian Navy Arafura class OPV launched | ADBR
The first of 12 Arafura class offshore patrol vessels for the Royal Australian Navy has been launched at the Osborne shipyard in Adelaide. Based on the Luerssen OPV80 design, NUSHIP…
adbr.com.au
John Newman
The Bunker Group
It appears that NUSHIP Arafura has the same pennant number, 203, as the former HMAS Fremantle, lead ship of the Fremantle class PBs.Now on the ADBR site and looks very nice, even without the GunFirst Royal Australian Navy Arafura class OPV launched | ADBR
The first of 12 Arafura class offshore patrol vessels for the Royal Australian Navy has been launched at the Osborne shipyard in Adelaide. Based on the Luerssen OPV80 design, NUSHIP…
Redlands18
Well-Known Member
I would say the rest of the class will follow suit 204,205....etc
John Newman
The Bunker Group
Here’s an article that was written by Andrew Probyn and published by the ABC on 16th September 2021, the same day of the AUKUS announcement:First of all, I will do you the courtsey of answering these charges with civility. I don't understand why this is in red, for what I would say is a badly worded sentence. It is not in the realm of malice or fantasy. I do appreciate that this is your forum and I'm just a guest. Therefore you can write in what ever colour you want. I appreciate the professional conduct of this forum so I respect your choices.
The post is about the man not politics. On border defence he was a political fixer. He took the hard decisions and moved things forward. I believe he will do the same as defence minister. That is my opinion about the nature of the man not his poltics.
The message was an opinion with information fillers. That way I would not break the rule that you can't post single sentences.
He has form with subs and helicopters.
I'm guessing this sentence is what needs addressing or fixing
If I had wrote "During his time he has been decisive about helicopters and submarines". This is true and a number of articles would attribute the current decision to him. I treat members on this forum as intelligent and I don't want to bog it down with meaningless obvious information.
The second thing I appreciate members have put a lot of hard hours in to rectify the helicopter problems. To have the rug pulled out is upsetting. I can relate both in my current profession and when the RAAF retired the Orions. That was a piece of my youth slipping away. I have nothing but respect for those members and appreciation of the work they do.
What I was trying to say the MH90 has been a project of concern since 2011. The same information has been given to a number of Labour and Liberal defence ministers over that time. For whatever reason they chose collectivley to do nothing publicly. Dutton made a decision and that is reported in any number of publications as his decision. Again the man not politics. Attached is the current government report of the project and ministers statement.
Strengthening Army's helicopter capability | Defence Ministers
The Morrison Government has taken steps to strengthen the Australian Army’s helicopter capability by formally requesting advice from the United States Government on the acquisition of up to 40 UH-60 Black Hawk to potentially replace the MRH90 Taipan helicopter.Minister for Defence the Hon Peter...
The submarine decision was announced publically under his watch. I appreciate that negotiations went on before he was the minister. Therefore I acknowledge that this was missing from my original post. Technically I supose I'm wrong because the initital announcement was by Biden, Johnson and Morrison. My point is it was announced publically during his watch.
This statement is 2 months after the announcement. Things are ticking along.Australia signs exchange of naval nuclear propulsion information sharing agreement | Defence Ministers
The signing of the Exchange of Naval Nuclear Propulsion Information Agreement (the Agreement) with our AUKUS partners – the United Kingdom and the United States – is another important step in Australia’s pursuit of conventionally armed, nuclear-powered submarines.Minister for Defence the Hon...
Regards
DD
Morrison has gone nuclear — and there's no turning back
The geostrategic wrestle between Washington and Beijing is one for the ages and Australia is now to play an even bigger role — in a stealthier and speedier bit of nuclear kit, writes Andrew Probyn.
www.abc.net.au
Specifically this paragraph:
“The ABC understands the federal government began exploring the nuclear-powered submarine option about 18 months ago when Linda Reynolds was still defence minister.”
Then there is this, a transcript of the PMs press conference on the same day too, 16th September 2021:
This quote:
“I want to thank the Secretary of Defence and the Chief of Defence Force, and all of those who have worked so hard within both organisations over the course of these last 18 months.”
And this quote too:
“Can I also thank Linda Reynolds, the former Minister for Defence. It was Linda and I who commenced this project many, many many months ago, and we worked very closely together on this over a long period of time, and I want to acknowledge her role in getting us to where we are today.”
Meanwhile, shall we just celebrate a new grey messenger of death has hit the water ?
"Arafura Class Offshore Patrol Vessel, NUSHIP Arafura, at Osborne Naval Shipyard in South Australia." Image Source : ADF Image Library
"Arafura Class Offshore Patrol Vessel, NUSHIP Arafura, at Osborne Naval Shipyard in South Australia." Image Source : ADF Image Library
Thanks when I did an edit I did acknowledge Linda Reynolds involvement with the same article. I also included a article from Andrew Probyn. BTW I'm sure when this came out there were many articles written about the origin of the deal. ASPI & other well know sites had nothing today. That is why I posted the same sources.Here’s an article that was written by Andrew Probyn and published by the ABC on 16th September 2021, the same day of the AUKUS announcement:
Morrison has gone nuclear — and there's no turning back
The geostrategic wrestle between Washington and Beijing is one for the ages and Australia is now to play an even bigger role — in a stealthier and speedier bit of nuclear kit, writes Andrew Probyn.
Specifically this paragraph:
“The ABC understands the federal government began exploring the nuclear-powered submarine option about 18 months ago when Linda Reynolds was still defence minister.”
Then there is this, a transcript of the PMs press conference on the same day too, 16th September 2021:
This quote:
“I want to thank the Secretary of Defence and the Chief of Defence Force, and all of those who have worked so hard within both organisations over the course of these last 18 months.”
And this quote too:
“Can I also thank Linda Reynolds, the former Minister for Defence. It was Linda and I who commenced this project many, many many months ago, and we worked very closely together on this over a long period of time, and I want to acknowledge her role in getting us to where we are today.”
Regards
DD
This is a quality forum and I would hate to loose access. My attitude is read lots and only post when in my judgement I have something meaningful to contribute. That red warning I received I thought was a court marshal. I do not need this worry. I acknowledge the post was rash and written quickly. Yes an explanation is required to clarify any misunderstanding. If I did blatantly break the rules, I would expect full reprocussions. I will promise that will not happen intentionally. So please do not scare me.
Regards
DD
John Newman
The Bunker Group
Been looking at defence reporting the last few days to see if there is any more on the Arafura gun problem reported by AFR.
Nothing on ASPI, APDR, ADM, ADBR, Defence Connect, Def Mins website, ABC, etc.
This is not the first time I’ve seen a Defence ‘problem’ reported by AFRs Andrew Tillett and not be reported by any other Defence Media outlet.
Doesn’t really surprise me, Andrew Tillett and Andrew Green from the ABC (the two Andrews) often do ‘the sky is falling’ reports.
Funny that, hey?
Nothing on ASPI, APDR, ADM, ADBR, Defence Connect, Def Mins website, ABC, etc.
This is not the first time I’ve seen a Defence ‘problem’ reported by AFRs Andrew Tillett and not be reported by any other Defence Media outlet.
Doesn’t really surprise me, Andrew Tillett and Andrew Green from the ABC (the two Andrews) often do ‘the sky is falling’ reports.
Funny that, hey?
Nothing on the ABC either ..... in respect of nuship Arafura being launched. Given the defence press release is out this is most odd. I have not seen anything from the other main media outlets as well. Odd!!!
post script .... the Canberra Times did run an article 7 hours ago.
buffy9
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Contact Publishing and Australian Defender just uploaded, if that means anything.
I'm surprised it isn't being used as a larger PR piece with the media, by Government or Defence. A successful domestic shipbuilding project, largely successful so far despite the pandemic. Maybe there is a preference to hold off until it is undergoing sea trials, or maybe it has something to do with border politics (and how these ships may be viewed as such).
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