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John Fedup

John Fedup

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Another nuclear icebreaker announcement by Russia shows their commitment to the Arctic region. Anybody know details about the large Far East shipyard mentioned in the article?

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Russian Shipyard Lays Down Leader Nuclear-Powered Icebreaker - Naval News

The Project 10510 Leader-class lead nuclear-powered icebreaker has been laid down in the Far East, Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov said at a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
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ngatimozart

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John Fedup said:
Another nuclear icebreaker announcement by Russia shows their commitment to the Arctic region. Anybody know details about the large Far East shipyard mentioned in the article?

www.navalnews.com

Russian Shipyard Lays Down Leader Nuclear-Powered Icebreaker - Naval News

The Project 10510 Leader-class lead nuclear-powered icebreaker has been laid down in the Far East, Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov said at a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
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Some info here.

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Zvezda Shipbuilding Complex, Bolshoi Kamen

Zvezda Shipbuilding Complex is being built as part of an expansion to the existing Zvezda shipyard owned by United Shipbuilding…
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John Fedup

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Ananda

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John Fedup said:
I recall reading an article about Bezzos already building a super yacht.
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Yeah, I just fantasies Bezos or Ellon build the superyacht from converted CV. Put launch facilities there, then their high paying customer can go to low orbit and landed back to the same platform. Then they can relax, and enjoying the superyacht facilities.

It's cooler then just repurpose the flight deck for Par 4 golf course as the concept put.
 
ngatimozart

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John Fedup said:
They would be able to afford this concept yacht but I recall reading an article about Bezzos already building a super yacht.
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Yep but that would be miniscule in comparison. Whoever goes with the CV conversion will be making an absolute statement.
 
John Fedup

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ngatimozart said:
Yep but that would be miniscule in comparison. Whoever goes with the CV conversion will be making an absolute statement.
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Well if some Russian billionaire can stand the smoke, the sole Russian carrier might be a good conversion choice, it’s basically useless as a warship.
 
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You would be better off staring from scratch - converting Foch, sorry São Paulo, would be a non trivial challenge. Apart from the asbestos problem, getting some classification society to put the ship into class to enable her to be registered and insured would be, shall we say, interesting. And then there’s getting the steam plant back into service and manning it; or replacing it. That’s before you even consider executing the conversion programme.
 
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Ananda said:
Could Bezzos or Ellon intersted on this?
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It's vapourware from two designers in the Netherlands who used it last year as an exercise for 3D modeling to show off to customers.

There was a German article in a yachting magazine last year on it that closed the words "hey, maybe they'll find some money bag with a craving for recognition". The spokesman of that "initiative" now sorta falls in that category on a low level. Millionaire owning a freight company, tries to get his name in the press all the time by randomly controversially commenting on political topics. He's a bit notorious on that. Last year he announced he wanted to become mayor of his city. Apparently didn't find enough locals to support his candidacy, he never ran. Buying the images for this and placing it publicly like this with his name tagged on to it goes in the same direction.
 
Sandhi Yudha

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Its quite easy to come with an original idea for billionaires to spend money in an extreme way, and then making some 3D artist impressions.
Buying an old worn out third hands 265 meter long (not 165 meter like they wrote in the article) aircraft carrier, removing all the asbest (like Spoz already said), removing all the oil and other chemicals, removing of military systems and other unusable installations, the whole replacement, refurbishment and renovation including wiring, propulsion system and sanitary systems is something else. I am afraid that it will become an even more headache project than the Vikramaditya.

Besides all the points above, everything have to be done in the most environmental friendly way possible. Imagine if something happen with the chemical fluids on board.
The ship will be more famous because of the protests of environmental groups, delays and cost overruns than because of the eye-catching facilities.

Construction of new built superyachts or purpose-built launch and recovery vessels are absolutely much more practical, cheaper and most of all faster to realize.
 
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And the French never did pronounce the name correctly (with the proper Scots inflexion ).
 
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German. Distant ancestor from Alsace.
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Looked into it since i saw that just now... beyond the wikipedia entry there isn't much proof of that.

His family lived under that name in Haute-Garonne (on the Spanish border) with the first still traceable *) born there in 1702. At the time Ferdinand Foch lived (and by ethymology still today) his name was/is assumed to be simply a variant spelling of the gascon word "Foish" or occitan word "Foix", both of which also exist as family names. It's derived from the vulgar latin word fuscum, meaning brown or dark.

Even without the occitan language connection there are plenty of other Foch families in France not related to Alsace, including e.g. nobles in Haute-Loire since the 12th century, or those deriving their name from the Gallois word "moc'h" (pig) via an advantageous consonant transfer, or from the Breton word "fioch" (fire). Especially with the historic breadth of languages in France no need for Germans in that regard (it doesn't really exist as a last name in Germany anyway...).

*) for commoners it is fairly impossible to trace anyone by family line beyond ca the 1650s to 1680s anywhere in continental Europe due to lack or loss of primary source documentation. The father of that person born in 1702 is assumed to have been born with unknown birthplace "around 1670" - at a time before France annexed Alsace, and hence may or may not have moved from there with documentation lost around the time of the - frankly a bit chaotic - annexation.
 
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Sandhi Yudha said:
Its quite easy to come with an original idea for billionaires to spend money in an extreme way, and then making some 3D artist impressions.
Buying an old worn out third hands 265 meter long (not 165 meter like they wrote in the article) aircraft carrier, removing all the asbest (like Spoz already said), removing all the oil and other chemicals, removing of military systems and other unusable installations, the whole replacement, refurbishment and renovation including wiring, propulsion system and sanitary systems is something else. I am afraid that it will become an even more headache project than the Vikramaditya.

Besides all the points above, everything have to be done in the most environmental friendly way possible. Imagine if something happen with the chemical fluids on board.
The ship will be more famous because of the protests of environmental groups, delays and cost overruns than because of the eye-catching facilities.

Construction of new built superyachts or purpose-built launch and recovery vessels are absolutely much more practical, cheaper and most of all faster to realize.
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What rich folk spend their money on will sometime stun you. Example .... Old M Class frigate into a super yacht. There is no way this could be justified on a cost basis .... but they did it.

How the navy frigate Yas was transformed into a dolphin-inspired superyacht (boatinternational.com)
Swift 141 meter frigate converted into a superyacht? - General Yachting Discussion | YachtForums: We Know Big Boats!
 
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