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Looks like it will be MDA who will be responsible for the CSC radar (among other things):
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John Fedup
The Bunker Group
I assume this means MDA will integrate an existing radar together the LM Canada?
MDA seems to have some major responsibility with regards to the program.
- The building and integration of the Electronic Warfare System, including a Laser Warning and Countermeasures System with L3, and Partnering with Lockheed to develop the jamming system.
- The building of the radar, and potential exports of the system afterward.
February 8, 2019 - MDA Selected for Design Phase of Canadian Surface Combatant Program
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
Building the radar...what exactly does that mean? Is MDA integrating a pre-selected radar, are they manufacturing a radar under license or are they manufacturing something on their own? Can’t believe it is the latter.
I would assume so, yes. I can't see them developing a new radar, unless they already had something in development to offer as part of the LM bid. Doubtful, but possible I suppose. I still think this will be an integration exercise, and the radar will be American.
I would assume it is like the arrangement Lockheed and Indra have in Spain. The most likely outcome in my opinion is MDA integrating the technology from Lockheed’s LRDR, optimizing it for a ship, and manufacturing the radars in Canada as opposed to the US, Lockheed has the tech, MDA will manufacture the Canadian specific units and integrate them.
Just to be clear, the LM rep in the above video (the VP and manager of integrated warfare systems and sensors) clearly states that AEGIS is part of the CSC package. Watch from 4:30 to 5:20.
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I believe we will see more information coming out about the project from CANSEC in May. I am curious how the integration will work because in other comments it has very clearly been stated that Lockheed will be using their CMS 330 which is by definition, not Aegis (Although CMS 330 may be a sort of Aegis-Lite) and was a major part of their original pitch.
Agreed beegee. It seems clear the CSC will have AEGIS, but will it be the common source libraries integrated with CMS330 as the front end, or the full blown AEGIS CMS? I vote for the former, given the investment the RCN has with CMS330, and the fact that this is the CMS specified for both the AOPS and the JSS.
I would assume something similar, then again it is still to be determined at this point I expect.
It's not either or. AEGIS is no longer a single entity, but an open architecture package of software modules. You can take the entire suite or just one module. In the video they discuss fitting Coast Guard cutters with the AEGIS C4I module and gun weapon system module, but nothing else. The open architecture means these modules can be plugged in to the CMS 330 system.
At 15:14, he talks a bit about the scalability of the LM radar.
It may even be the same radar as the Spanish F110. We've had some discussions on this thread about the "square" panels shown on the CSC models, and when I look at the F110 renderings (see below), those panels are also square. The difference between the two ships is the illuminator, which on F110 appears to be the SPG-62 (dish-style radar), and on CSC a fixed-panel radar, which is so far unknown.
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It may even be the same radar as the Spanish F110. We've had some discussions on this thread about the "square" panels shown on the CSC models, and when I look at the F110 renderings (see below), those panels are also square. The difference between the two ships is the illuminator, which on F110 appears to be the SPG-62 (dish-style radar), and on CSC a fixed-panel radar, which is so far unknown.
I had seen a video at one point about 2-3 months ago from another Lockheed rep that mentioned that the CSC Radar will be the same as the radar that Lockheed and Indra are developing for the F-110, or at least built off the same technology. I do not know if the reason the rep mentioned they are the same is because they are both built off the LRDR Radar's architecture or if they are actually the exact same, but then again this is all just speculation until Lockheed and the RCN confirm it.
I have attached a Navantia Powerpoint on the F110, on the 7th page it is has a specific indication on the radars, I would assume the CSC would be very similar. The F110 is also similar to the Hunter class in that they are using the Spanish SCOMBA CMS and yet the ship will be Aegis equipped. I am thinking that the RCN is going to go the same route as the Armada in a lot of respects as Lockheed is heavily involved in both projects.
https://www.navantia.es/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/F-110-La-Navantia-del-siglo-XXI-4.pdf
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Mate, you posted the same thing back on Feb 8:
There's nothing to be confused about. The radar is LM's solid state radar, and the CMS will have AEGIS as part of it.
SPY is just a US Army-Navy Joint Electronics Type Designation System acronym: S - Water (surface ship), P - Radar, Y - Surveillance.
If Raytheon was supplying the radar they would be listed as a sub-contractor.
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Ooops. So I did. My apologies. So much water under the bridge since then...
I was under the impression the SPY designation was only given to in-service radar systems?
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Black Jack Shellac
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Mission Bay Part 1
I came across this article. I thought it was interesting on 3 parts; first, just he overall description of the mission bay capability; second, the influence this bay may have had on the Canadian bid with reference to Rolls-Royce Canada; and third (but not last), the possible location for a Torpedo Launch System. I had read some opinions that there was not going to be torpedo tubes on the type 26, but I think is still an open question, and it looks like the Type 26 can accommodate them.
I came across this article. I thought it was interesting on 3 parts; first, just he overall description of the mission bay capability; second, the influence this bay may have had on the Canadian bid with reference to Rolls-Royce Canada; and third (but not last), the possible location for a Torpedo Launch System. I had read some opinions that there was not going to be torpedo tubes on the type 26, but I think is still an open question, and it looks like the Type 26 can accommodate them.
Black Jack Shellac
Active Member
BAE shipbuilding porn
@Black Jack Shellac posting links without commentary is unacceptable. Don't do it again. Ngatimozart.
URL link fixed by MOD, Ngatimozart
Apologies. The link shows a BAE video of the construction rendering of the Type 26 (RN version). What I thought was interesting was looking at the space available in the ship for the various systems. For example, there appears to be little room to spare in the engine room. There appears to be space for more VLS in the front compartment.
@Black Jack Shellac posting links without commentary is unacceptable. Don't do it again. Ngatimozart.
URL link fixed by MOD, Ngatimozart
Apologies. The link shows a BAE video of the construction rendering of the Type 26 (RN version). What I thought was interesting was looking at the space available in the ship for the various systems. For example, there appears to be little room to spare in the engine room. There appears to be space for more VLS in the front compartment.
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