d-ron84
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You have to be joking right
"one of the LHDs and the two AORs had teething problems" has to be the bloody understatement of the year.
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"one of the LHDs and the two AORs had teething problems" has to be the bloody understatement of the year.
No, I’m not joking. In the overall scheme of things they are teething issues which many programs experience; have a look at such issues as those with the UK Darings, HMS PoW, USS Ford or the two LCS classes. Were they an outcome we wanted? Of course not. Were they correctable (by the manufacturer)? Yes. Did it take longer than we wanted? Of course. But we still ended up with excellent assets that will serve us well for many years.
And, btw, I’ve lost count of the number of programs I’ve been in where one or more ships and submarines had propulsion train installation problems of some sort - all 11 of them I think. And a lot of those involved alignment issues. Granted, most of them were fixed in the pre delivery phase; but some were not.
Mind you, I suppose my standards might be a little different from some, having been in the shipbuilding game for almost 50 years - if you want to look at interesting ship builds take a look at HMAS Cook and Williamstown.
And, btw, I’ve lost count of the number of programs I’ve been in where one or more ships and submarines had propulsion train installation problems of some sort - all 11 of them I think. And a lot of those involved alignment issues. Granted, most of them were fixed in the pre delivery phase; but some were not.
Mind you, I suppose my standards might be a little different from some, having been in the shipbuilding game for almost 50 years - if you want to look at interesting ship builds take a look at HMAS Cook and Williamstown.
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SolarisKenzo
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TKMS is a much more structured company than many here thinks.
The Type-212 (or U-212 as it is called in Europe) is a very mature design with 10 units operational and was/is being built by 2 different shipyards (Kiel and Muggiano).
The CD version is of course a very modified subclass, but it can count on massive order backlog (24 units including the canadian order plus 4/6 U-212 NFS) with an important supply chain and many partnerships in Europe.
TKMS has agreements for the support/maintenance of the U-212 class with Fincantieri and is also building a partnership with Navantia.
Also important that TKMS and Fincantieri have been collaborating for the expansion of the supply chain of the U-212 NFS and that now some components can also be produced in Italy for the entire fleet if needed.
Of course the koreans are always very aggressive in their advertising, but Canada didn't exactly pick a newcomer in the submarine business.
This is the graph of all export contracts for new build submarines in the world since 2000.
The Type-212 (or U-212 as it is called in Europe) is a very mature design with 10 units operational and was/is being built by 2 different shipyards (Kiel and Muggiano).
The CD version is of course a very modified subclass, but it can count on massive order backlog (24 units including the canadian order plus 4/6 U-212 NFS) with an important supply chain and many partnerships in Europe.
TKMS has agreements for the support/maintenance of the U-212 class with Fincantieri and is also building a partnership with Navantia.
Also important that TKMS and Fincantieri have been collaborating for the expansion of the supply chain of the U-212 NFS and that now some components can also be produced in Italy for the entire fleet if needed.
Of course the koreans are always very aggressive in their advertising, but Canada didn't exactly pick a newcomer in the submarine business.
This is the graph of all export contracts for new build submarines in the world since 2000.
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Reporting is now that the TKMS facilities in Kiel and Wismar will each be ramped up to producing 1.5 boats a year. There are currently 3 boats under construction, with the first launching next year.
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TKMS is using Canada to expand their production of items that are constrained in their supply lines. Non-magnetic steal, high precision manufacturing (module production), battery design/manufacture, critical minerals, and torp production are examples. They look at Canada as a critical partner in their long term profitability as there is opportunity that doesn't exist in Germany for expansion/security.
From what I'm reading (Army Recognition article), the GERNOR offer to jump queue to reach the four in by 34 sealed the deal. It matched Korea's timeline offer.
From what I'm reading (Army Recognition article), the GERNOR offer to jump queue to reach the four in by 34 sealed the deal. It matched Korea's timeline offer.
How more likely the TKMS was considered because of the present Artic operations of the N.A.T.O submarines ,those waters are more traversed now with less ice, I understand further modifications to be made for operating in this theatre ,it would certainly give other operating sub owners something to think about