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Sandhi Yudha

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Российские стелс-корветы оснастили «Калибрами»

I forget to post this article on the forum. A upgraded 20380s would be perfect the replacements for Russian asw corvettes.
As far as i know the Project 20380-20386 corvettes are also intended to replace the Project 1124 (Grisha) and 1331M (Parchim II) classes.
From which i understand, several 20381 and 20385 ships are planned to be handed over to the Russian Navy this year.
Maybe also the two 20382 ships to the Algerian Navy.
 

SolarWind

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Российские стелс-корветы оснастили «Калибрами»

I forget to post this article on the forum. A upgraded 20380s would be perfect the replacements for Russian asw corvettes.
They must be talking about a new variant. I fail to see how it would be possible to replace Urans with Kalibers on existing 20380s, while adding Pantsir-M and keeping Redut at the same time. Maybe they could replace the 8 Urans with 4 Kalibers and have to stop there.
 
They must be talking about a new variant. I fail to see how it would be possible to replace Urans with Kalibers on existing 20380s, while adding Pantsir-M and keeping Redut at the same time. Maybe they could replace the 8 Urans with 4 Kalibers and have to stop there.
Yes, a new variant an 20380/20385 hybrid design. It will have a 20380 hull, but with Kalibrs at the bow like 20385. The variant would retain the Urans; it will replace ak630 with Pantsir-M. And it will have the Zaslon radar system of the 20385.

Construction of Russian Blue-Water Vessels May Be Postponed Untill 2035
 
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Feanor

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Yes, a new variant an 20380/20385 hybrid design. It will have a 20380 hull, but with Kalibrs at the bow like 20385. The variant would retain the Urans; it will replace ak630 with Pantsir-M. And it will have the Zaslon radar system of the 20385.

Construction of Russian Blue-Water Vessels May Be Postponed Untill 2035
It would be smart of them to continue production of the 20380/20385 series however the last information I've seen indicates that they intend to stop after 12 ships, transitioning to the 20386. The 20386, despite the similarity of the project number, is an entirely new warship with only some relationship to the 20385 series. It's also a questionable design in many ways, and will likely take a while to get off the ground. Meanwhile the Far East yard is planning to stop 20380 production after the 4th ship and switch to 22800s, namely 6 of them, while Severnaya will transition to the 20386 corvette/light frigate. Do you have any information indicating a production run for the 20380 series beyond 12 ships?
 

SolarWind

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Yes, a new variant an 20380/20385 hybrid design. It will have a 20380 hull, but with Kalibrs at the bow like 20385. The variant would retain the Urans; it will replace ak630 with Pantsir-M. And it will have the Zaslon radar system of the 20385.
Is the Redut really so bad that they are ready to give it up?
 

Feanor

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Is the Redut really so bad that they are ready to give it up?
I think it's the issue with mounting the complex radars required for it. That having been said, I'm still waiting to see whether this materializes. Though it does make some sense, because the claimed capabilities of the Pantsyr-SM make it closer to a Tor or Redut class system, then the overgrown shorad that Pantsyr-S1 is.
 

SolarWind

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The Stereguschi has been in service for over 10 years and should be up for overhaul soon. Maybe they are thinking about getting rid of its useless Kashtan and replacing it with Kaliber and Pantsir-M?
 

Feanor

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My bad, I cannot find the article. UKSK is going to be universal launcher, i doubt last two Amur 20380s will redut in their bow.

Russia's UKSK VLS to be Replaced with Upgraded UKSK-M Systems


Серию "амурских" корветов проекта 20380 урезали на треть
There is nothing there about the UKSK-M being able to carry SAMs. As far as I can make out from the material you provided, the upgrade allows it to carry the future hypersonic Tsirkon missile. So it's universality is rather limited. Maybe the new project 20380s will be more like the 20385, but the evidence is somewhat lacking.
 

Feanor

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My bad, I cannot find the article. UKSK is going to be universal launcher, i doubt last two Amur 20380s will redut in their bow.

Russia's UKSK VLS to be Replaced with Upgraded UKSK-M Systems


Серию "амурских" корветов проекта 20380 урезали на треть
There is nothing there about the UKSK-M being able to carry SAMs. As far as I can make out from the material you provided, the upgrade allows it to carry the future hypersonic Tsirkon missile. So it's universality is rather limited. Maybe the new project 20380s will be more like the 20385, but the evidence is somewhat lacking.
 

Feanor

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Quite a few interesting news items lately. The first Far Eastern 20380 corvette has finally left port to begin K-2 exercises, to prove combat readiness. The first 22160 was seen at the parade in iirc Novorossiysk, and the second one is being towed to the Black Sea to complete final construction and begin trials soon. The speed with which these ships were built suggests, on the one hand, that the shipyard building them is in good shape, on the other hand that they are rather simple vessels, and given their loadout the latter probably plays a major role. The 6th project 12700 mine trawler has been laid down, meant likely for the Pacific Fleet. Additionally the second 22350 is nearing completion and may even begin factory trials before the end of this year. The 6th 21631 is also approaching induction while the 12th (and likely last ship) has just been laid down, and production of the 22800s is proceeding at a dizzying speed (compared to normal Russian military shipbuilding). Even the Black Sea Fleet has taken delivery of the project 18280 Ivan Khurs communication vessel. However among all these good news it's important to remember that only the 22350 would qualify as a major surface combatant, and there is information that it's primary SAM is only partially ready. It's unclear what exactly about it is "not ready" (perhaps advanced capabilities involving one of the longer range missiles) but the acceptance of this incomplete warship is not a great sign. Granted they need to start using the 22350s, and with the second ship approaching factory trials, and the VMF badly needing anything bigger then a corvette, this measure is probably justified. On top of this the overhaul of the Moskva cruiser is delayed, and one of the project 956 destroyers was recently retired and converted into a museum, likely due to issues with its power plant.

The way things are going, best case scenario, in 2030 the VMF will have 2x1144 heavy nuclear cruisers with new weapons and electronics, 3x1164s with minor upgrade, 8-9x1155M destroyers (upgraded with UKSK cells and a Kh-35U), 4x22350 frigates, 2x11540 frigates, and 6x11356 frigates. Maybe, they're very lucky, 2-3 of the remaining 956 destroyers will live that long, but I wouldn't bet on it. That will be it for major surface combatants. And if you look at the size of the Russian defense budget and compare it to nations with similar levels of defense spending (Britain and France for example) you will find similar fleet sizes.

Of course the submarine component will be significantly bigger.
 

Sandhi Yudha

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Russian shipyard chief details Admiral Kuznetsov repairs
Karl Soper - Jane's Navy International
30 July 2018

The focus of repairs to Admiral Kuznetsov , the Russian Navy’s only aircraft carrier, will be on its engines, propulsion system, and electronics, according to Sergei Marichev, general director of Zvezdochka Ship Repair Centre.

The work is to be completed in two-and-a-half years, after which the carrier will go through seven months of acceptance testing. According to this schedule, the carrier will not return to the fleet before mid-2021.

Marichev said Zvezdochka wanted four years to perform the work on Admiral Kuznetsov , but the Ministry of Defence (MoD) insisted on a shorter deadline.

Article at: Russian shipyard chief details Admiral Kuznetsov repairs | Jane's 360

Hopefully the 2,5 years will be enough for a good end result...
 
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