PRC Peoples Liberation Army Navy

[Waylander]

They ripped the AShM VLS out of the Liaoning to get more space below deck. I can imagine that with a new build one can align the interior room much more effective because one plans without the VLS right from the start.

 

[Ananda]

They ripped the AShM VLS out of the Liaoning to get more space below deck. I can imagine that with a new build one can align the interior room much more effective because one plans without the VLS right from the start.

Thanks for the info, that's something that I don't get frm Chinese Forum. I got the impression that the 001A have similar weapons set with Liaoning. Thus wondering where they can get more space internally to create bigger aircraft deck.

If the removed much of original Russian design VLS spaces..(which frm what I have seen on original Kutnetzov cut away is quite significant in space)..then they do can profide more better efficent hangar deck below.

 

[Tsavo Lion]

As I was saying:

"A China which has long been irritated by the appearance of American carrier groups on the East Asia periphery might well enjoy dispatching a task force to cruise the Caribbean and the coasts of Central America,".. Beijing hinted at that kind of role when it sent the Liaoning into the open Pacific for the first time in late December. .. it was a sign the Liaoning's combat capability has been enhanced and its areas of operation expanded, and could soon include the Eastern Pacific, including off the US West Coast. "If the fleet is able to enter areas where the US has core interests, the situation when the US unilaterally imposes pressure on China will change,".. "China's ability to conduct power projection and amphibious operations around the world will become a fundamental fact of politics in the near future," the CNAS analysis says.

I don't doubt that within the next 5-10 years they'll send a CBG to the E. Pacific, Indian Ocean, Red & Med. Seas, perhaps also venturing into the Atlantic from there & returning to China via the S. Atlantic. If/when the Nicaragua Canal is built, (the Panama Canal is not wide enough) their CBGs & other ships/subs will be able to deploy to/from the Atlantic & the Med. with less time in transit. China and Russia combine naval forces in the Baltic Sea

 

[Tsavo Lion]

The British have announced the Royal Navy led by its newest supercarrier, the HMS Queen Elizabeth II, will begin patrolling the South China Sea in 2021.
http://en.yibada.com/articles/18435...ea-two-more-decades.htm#ixzz4nzCgOYnH]China?s

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-carrier-thats-supposed-to-revitalize-the-british-na
As the former colonial power, Gr. Britain is very well known to China. If QE goes to SCS, all hell may brake loose! The PLAN may also start going to seas near the Falklands & S. Georgia to show solidarity with Argentina! China's military ambitions extend far beyond Asia, and could threaten Britain's security

 

[ngatimozart]

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-carrier-thats-supposed-to-revitalize-the-british-na
As the former colonial power, Gr. Britain is very well known to China. If QE goes to SCS, all hell may brake loose! The PLAN may also start going to seas near the Falklands & S. Georgia to show solidarity with Argentina! China's military ambitions extend far beyond Asia, and could threaten Britain's security

The UK still have military interests within South East Asia because they are part of the FPDA (Five Power Defence Agreement) with Singapore, Malaysia, Australia and NZ. The PRC have always been very aware of that. The PRC may not like that, but thems the breaks. Realistically what can the PRC do if a RN CBG frequents the SCS? If they attack it, that will most likely initiate conflict with the UK and the US, Australia and other nations.

 

[Tsavo Lion]

Then they'll just be showing their flags in each other's backyards!

Do you want a military answer to the question? OK... how is a country of 300M people half a world away, going to tell a country of [>]1B people what to do in its back yard? Does the word "Vietnam" [& Korea] mean anything to you? https://www.quora.com/How-can-the-U...m-the-disputed-territories-of-South-China-sea

The UK population is now ~65,527M, & it's also half a world away.
Australia & NZ know that their economies will be in the gutter w/o trade with the PRC, & the latter wants Malacca Strait to be open- Singapore & Malaysia are secure as long as they do their part to keep it so. Only US, India, & the UK may want to interfere there to contain the PRC. That's why building the Kra Canal across Thailand is a must for China & the rest of the ASEAN.

The bilateral relationship has grown to become one of New Zealand’s most important. As a global and regional influence, the largest goods trading partner of New Zealand and a major source of student migrants and tourists, China is also very important to New Zealand as a multilateral and bilateral partner.

 

[Tsavo Lion]

..Xinhua news agency said on Friday that Chinese warships had carried out live fire drills in the western part of the Indian Ocean, though it did not say where exactly. Chinese warships frequently pass through the Indian Ocean on their way to anti-piracy patrols in the waters off Somalia and Yemen.
India, with which China has a festering border dispute, has expressed concern about Chinese military activity in the Indian Ocean.

Perhaps it should be renamed "Indo-Chinese" or "South Eurasian" Ocean. In general, I find that many of the seas/gulf names are inconsistent. Mexican, Bengal, Guinea, Alaska & Carpentaria Gulfs are all the size of seas, while the White Sea is actually a gulf. The Sea of Cortez is also called Gulf of California; Bohai Sea is also Bohai Gulf; Japan's Inner Sea, Philippines' Bohol Sea & Turkish Sea of Marmara are actually inlets. The same with Java, Banda & Molucca Seas of Indonesia. The Yellow Sea is Western Sea & The Sea of Japan is Eastern Sea to the Koreans. It should be renamed neutral "The Green Sea" instead- I've seen it, it has a greenish color.

 

[DaveS124]

Australia.....economies will be in the gutter w/o trade with the PRC

What drivel.

Again, drivel.

Before entertaining us again with this kindly ascertain the precise percentage of Aus GDP that has anything to do with Chinese trade (and investment - please note that USA and UK are far bigger sources of DFI). Tah muchly.

Also please note that Aus is not, never has been and never will be neutral. Further, it's not about to take orders from Beijing apropos foreign policy.

Sorry to rock your boat TL, but drivel demands destruction, you know?

Bye-eeeeeee.

 

[StingrayOZ]

Perhaps it should be renamed "Indo-Chinese" or "South Eurasian" Ocean.

Why would it be called the Indo-Chinese ocean? The Indian ocean is located very far away from China. China has no territory in the ocean and rarely operates there and rarely even transits.

The only interest China has is a warehouse (0.2 square miles) that it has a 10 year lease at Djibouti. Which I believe is smaller than even the Japanese base in Djibouti which has been established for longer.

Verse say India, who is located in it. Or Africa or Australia. Or Pakistan, or the UK, or France or Indonesia or Malaysia. Most of which China has a confrontational relationship with.

Australia's SAR makes up nearly 50% of the Indian ocean.

China has minimal capability to project into the Indian ocean, which is why it had to base its aviation assets in Perth. An interesting search, where the PLAN demonstrated their capability by confusing itself by finding its own sonar pings.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25384-ultrasonic-pings-now-strongest-clue-in-mh370-hunt/

You also might find many oceans and seas are green in colour particularly near land.

 

[ngatimozart]

Perhaps it should be renamed "Indo-Chinese" or "South Eurasian" Ocean. In general, I find that many of the seas/gulf names are inconsistent. Mexican, Bengal, Guinea, Alaska & Carpentaria Gulfs are all the size of seas, while the White Sea is actually a gulf. The Sea of Cortez is also called Gulf of California; Bohai Sea is also Bohai Gulf; Japan's Inner Sea, Philippines' Bohol Sea & Turkish Sea of Marmara are actually inlets. The same with Java, Banda & Molucca Seas of Indonesia. The Yellow Sea is Western Sea & The Sea of Japan is Eastern Sea to the Koreans. It should be renamed neutral "The Green Sea" instead- I've seen it, it has a greenish color.

I very strongly suggest that you lift the calibre / quality of your postings. This is a serious forum and we have expectations with regard to posting quality. When other posters are specifically commenting upon the poor quality of your posts it's time to up your game.

 

[alexsa]

Then they'll just be showing their flags in each other's backyards!

The UK population is now ~65,527M, & it's also half a world away.
Australia & NZ know that their economies will be in the gutter w/o trade with the PRC, & the latter wants Malacca Strait to be open- Singapore & Malaysia are secure as long as they do their part to keep it so. Only US, India, & the UK may want to interfere there to contain the PRC. That's why building the Kra Canal across Thailand is a must for China & the rest of the ASEAN.

So a China that cannot feed itself nor has the materials it needs to keep its industry going is going to simply cut off a main supply source for those resources. Australia has the largest supplies of many minerals and looks like becoming the world biggest gas producer. It is also a major supplier of food stuffs to China.


I am sure that China would not undertake such self destructive approach noting they are already alienating the region. There would be consequence for China as well noting they rely on overseas markets to sell their goods and Chinese companies in Australia would probably suffer as well.


I sincerely hope your bellicose rhetoric is not the Chinese policy and suspect they have more understanding of the implications than you do.


To be honest I, like others, find your post irritating, trivial and ill conceived. I suspect this stems from a strong nationalistic streak fringed with ignorance.

 

[Tsavo Lion]

I'm not Chinese, so can't be a Chinese nationalist. The PLAN has been doing anti-piracy ops & transits in/via IO on the way to the Med. Sea for A few years now, & their subs go to IO too. I was half-joking, but Indochina (another big subcontinent) with friendly Thailand, is also on the IO & the PRC has access to old/new ports in Pakistan, Sri Lanka & Maldives. Some E. African coastal states are also their friends. The USSR was even further away from IO but maintained near constant presence there during most of the Cold War. The USN has only 2 big bases there (in Bahrain & Diego Garcia) & been doing ops in the Gulf & IO since 1949. If the straits are blocked, the PLAN surface ships can go around Australia or via S Pac./Atlantic to get there, &/ send replacement crews if need be. Their OTHRs, AshBMs & AWACS can cover most, if not all, of the N. IO from Tibet & S. China. If India gets closer to the US, I bet Russia will also "step up to the plate". The Indians who btw have many internal problems that may get worse, are checkmated; it's not only their Ocean they are "sitting on".
I've sailed in the middle of The Sea of Japan -"been there, done that"- & stand by my words about it's green tint when looking straight down from the deck.

 

[alexsa]

I'm not Chinese, so can't be a Chinese nationalist. The PLAN has been doing anti-piracy ops & transits in/via IO on the way to the Med. Sea for A few years now, & their subs go to IO too. I was half-joking, but Indochina (another big subcontinent) with friendly Thailand, is also on the IO & the PRC has access to old/new ports in Pakistan, Sri Lanka & Maldives. Some E. African coastal states are also their friends. The USSR was even further away from IO but maintained near constant presence there during most of the Cold War. The USN has only 2 big bases there (in Bahrain & Diego Garcia) & been doing ops in the Gulf & IO since 1949. If the straits are blocked, the PLAN surface ships can go around Australia or via S Pac./Atlantic to get there, &/ send replacement crews if need be. Their OTHRs, AshBMs & AWACS can cover most, if not all, of the N. IO from Tibet & S. China. If India gets closer to the US, I bet Russia will also "step up to the plate". The Indians who btw have many internal problems that may get worse, are checkmated; it's not only their Ocean they are "sitting on".
I've sailed in the middle of The Sea of Japan -"been there, done that"- & stand by my words about it's green tint when looking straight down from the deck.

I really don't care if you are Chinese or not but making deprecating comments about other countries and how powerless you think they are based on ill-informed 'opinion' adds nothing except irritation.


Don't bother to respond

 

[barney41]

Some reporting that the PLAN may be well along the path in developing EMRG for maritime use. If true, perhaps this could spur more support for the USN program which seems to be flagging as of late with priority being given to fielding HVP for deck guns.


Is This Chinese Navy Ship Equipped With An Experimental Electromagnetic Railgun?

 

[John Fedup]

Indeed, if this Chinese railgun is a working prototype, it should result in the US renewing efforts in their program. The HVP program is important too but a working railgun, even if only for naval use, is a major advance. Unless there is some insurmountable technical roadblock, why discontinue development after already spending $500 million, not that much compared to some other programs of questionable merit.

 

[barney41]

I'm rethinking the value of the EMRG. AFAIK it was originally envisioned as long range artillery to pound surface targets but later on it's value in Anti-Air Warfare gained prominence. HVP fired from DDG/CG powder guns will fill this role more cost-effectively and still have the ability to perform ASuW. The USN has other means to deal with long-distance threats. The Army will similarly benefit from having it's howitzers fire HVPs for air defense.

Haste makes waste and IMO the US can take it's time in developing the EMRG.

 

[John Fedup]

The reasons you mention have resulted in a change of priority with regards to the railgun but it still has two big advantages, the enormous KE of the projectile due to the much higher velocities and the elimination of explosive munitions aboard a naval ship. For the USN, these are good reasons to continue development, again assuming there are no technological roadblocks. Availability of money is a problem for the USN but apparently not for the PLAN.

 

[Ranger25]

The reasons you mention have resulted in a change of priority with regards to the railgun but it still has two big advantages, the enormous KE of the projectile due to the much higher velocities and the elimination of explosive munitions aboard a naval ship. For the USN, these are good reasons to continue development, again assuming there are no technological roadblocks. Availability of money is a problem for the USN but apparently not for the PLAN.

Both services are not only looking at HPV rounds for strike but also defensive reasons. Provides a deeper and less expensive magazine Leaders seem to think the HVP will initially be used in existing tubes perhaps as a precursor to fielding via an EMG system




$86,000 + 5,600 MPH = Hyper Velocity Missile Defense

The U.S. Navy's Hyper Velocity Projectile: A Mach 7.5 Super Bullet

 

[Milne Bay]

If the railgun projectile can't hit moving targets, then its use must be considered limited surely.
Until this becomes a reality I can't see it serving much purpose.
MB

 

[barney41]

If the railgun projectile can't hit moving targets, then its use must be considered limited surely.
Until this becomes a reality I can't see it serving much purpose.
MB

HVPs fired from a railgun and powder guns come in a variety of verions. For anti-air warfare, the HVP does not directly impact the target. It's designed to release a cloud of tungsten balls in the path of the incoming missile and shred it.