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ASSAIL

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am assuming that online access is available - my latest hardcopy of USNI Proceedings arrived today (Sept 2016) - there's an interesting article which has multiple references to RAN. and exchanges, interoperability, training between USN, RN and RAN "Navies Must Develop a Multinational mind-set"

worth reading

also has a sep article on replacing the Romeo, covers fighting pairs of manned, unmanned etc...

also worth reading
Thanks a lot Gary, you just cost me $119 to sign up!
 

alexsa

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WTF! I assume that it was a conscious decision :)

I became a life member in 97, so paid bugger all then!
Hell I have been caught out once this weeks saying "heel that could be interesting" and buying a subscription to a magazine. This one will have to wait. Would appreciate if the gist was paraphrased.
 

Volkodav

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I'll just stick to DTR thankyou very much.

Anyhoos sounds very interesting, though I must admit to being a bit snakey and frustrated that I'm not on the trials crew myself (it was one of the arguments I brought up as to why my wife shouldn't accept the promotion and transfer that saw me leave ASC).

On the training side the test and support systems directors on the project lobbied to have RAN crew on the project, not just for trials, but for developing ILS and training material, as well as activating and testing systems from day one.
 

hauritz

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Armada to send F-100 chaperone for Hobart

This is quite old news but the MOU has now been signed and F105 Cristobal Colon will be in Oz early next year to hold hands with Hobart and de-risk her introduction into service.
RAN personnel will sail with her from Spain and about 40 crew will sea ride with her during Hobarts work up.
This whole evolution is a smart move IMO
Could be that Spain has also got an eye on winning more orders with the Anzac replacement. They would want this process to go as smooth as possible and hopefully erase any bad memories associated with the ship's build.
 

t68

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Could be that Spain has also got an eye on winning more orders with the Anzac replacement. They would want this process to go as smooth as possible and hopefully erase any bad memories associated with the ship's build.
If it under a MOU, was wondering how much are we putting towards it?


Captain Raymond Leggatt, Australia’s Madrid-based Defence Attaché for Southern Europe, said a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) covering the Cristóbal Colón’s deployment was in the final stages of draft. Its content draws on the agreement that governed the nine-month deployment to Australia in 2013 of the Spanish Armada’s fleet tanker Cantabria.
 

gf0012-aust

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If it under a MOU, was wondering how much are we putting towards it?
we/re probably paying "at sea" costs. some of it may be covered under contractual good will negotiated at earlier contract finalisation
 

rand0m

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Is the option for a 4th all over? It makes me wonder if it would cost beneficial to continue the same ship for the ANZAC replacement, surely a hot production line would cost effective over a new design?
 

aussienscale

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Is the option for a 4th all over? It makes me wonder if it would cost beneficial to continue the same ship for the ANZAC replacement, surely a hot production line would cost effective over a new design?
guessing you mean a 4th AWD ? if so, yes that ship sailed many years ago and for many reasons that have been discussed previously.

The hull for Sea 5000 as proposed by Navantia, which is one of the 3 selected for the CEP, is using the F105 baseline hull IIRC.

Cheers
 

hairyman

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Does anyone have any idea how the Damen 2500 OPV being built in Vietnam for the RAN is progressing? It cant be far off commission now.
 

alexsa

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Does anyone have any idea how the Damen 2500 OPV being built in Vietnam for the RAN is progressing? It cant be far off commission now.
Right ....... It is NOT an OPV. It is a commercial vessel loosely based on the Damen EGC design with a similar hull form to the OPV 2400. It has different upper works, machinery arrangement and internal arrangements.

It will be operated as a commercial vessel by DMS
 

StingrayOZ

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Is the option for a 4th all over? It makes me wonder if it would cost beneficial to continue the same ship for the ANZAC replacement, surely a hot production line would cost effective over a new design?
Over red rover.

Given current circumstances I would say its almost a given that the F-105 based frigate will be built. The chatter I hear its almost a done deal as in when not if and sooner rather than later.

With AWD crews being worked up and ~70%+ commonality and as you mentioned a warm production line its going to be very hard to argue to get anything else in the time frame. The real question is how many of that type will be built.

Not getting a 4th AWD isn't such a loss given the Anzac replacements are going to be very powerful ships in their own right.

Now with the AWD's hitting the water, builds need to continue. Decisions to be made.
 

Milne Bay

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Over red rover.

Given current circumstances I would say its almost a given that the F-105 based frigate will be built. The chatter I hear its almost a done deal as in when not if and sooner rather than later.

With AWD crews being worked up and ~70%+ commonality and as you mentioned a warm production line its going to be very hard to argue to get anything else in the time frame. The real question is how many of that type will be built.

Not getting a 4th AWD isn't such a loss given the Anzac replacements are going to be very powerful ships in their own right.

Now with the AWD's hitting the water, builds need to continue. Decisions to be made.
Yes it is looking more and more likely that the F-105 hull will become the baseline for at least the first tranche of Anzac replacements.
The type 26 has run into headwinds in the UK that will delay its consideration here I think. It also seems, to me at least, unlikely that the Fincantieri Fremm will have enough in common with the rest of the fleet to warrant its realistic consideration. Although, I have been wrong before - and often :)
MB
 

Joe Black

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Yes it is looking more and more likely that the F-105 hull will become the baseline for at least the first tranche of Anzac replacements.
The type 26 has run into headwinds in the UK that will delay its consideration here I think. It also seems, to me at least, unlikely that the Fincantieri Fremm will have enough in common with the rest of the fleet to warrant its realistic consideration. Although, I have been wrong before - and often :)
MB
Darn, I like the look of the FREMM vessel. Looks like the RAN-Navantia relationship will be further strengthen. RAN and the Armada will look very similar.

Wonder if the F-105 based Sea5000 frigates will share some components with the new Navantia F110 frigates.
 

t68

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Not big enough to use as a screen saver and it's from a phone so quality is poor but this is how they looked earlier today (IF I managed to get the attachment in place)

oldsig

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Cool pic, not to shabby for a phone.



Over red rover.

Given current circumstances I would say its almost a given that the F-105 based frigate will be built. The chatter I hear its almost a done deal as in when not if and sooner rather than later.

With AWD crews being worked up and ~70%+ commonality and as you mentioned a warm production line its going to be very hard to argue to get anything else in the time frame. The real question is how many of that type will be built.

Not getting a 4th AWD isn't such a loss given the Anzac replacements are going to be very powerful ships in their own right.

Now with the AWD's hitting the water, builds need to continue. Decisions to be made.

It's a pity really that we could not build another two AWD to make five and give enough breathing space for T26.

It seems to be looking like its coming down to industry needs more than RAN needs, from what I have heard T26 is the RAN preferred choice so it will come down to that just like the AWD project.
 
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