War Against ISIS

ngatimozart

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surpreme said:
They have skilled soldiers in there ranks don't forget that all ISIS are not rag tag soldiers Some of them don't give a f*ck if you what I mean. I understand where you coming from doe. I'm trying find out who is giving them intel. I do believe there numbers has fallen in the past year but they have the way of fallen through the cracks. They always find a way to adapt to bad situation. They will go back and disappear in the desert they have cats with them that know the area.
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According to some stuff that I have read Daesh is run by ex Intel officers from Saddams Armed Forces who were demobbed enmass in 2003 - 04. They didn't take to it to kindly to say the least. So they do know their stuff and their Intel resources will be good because they know the game. However the average fighter is not a professional soldier who has undergone all the training and disciplined approach. That shows when you see video of them in action. Their firing drills - well a blind fulla could do better. I watched one where they had what looked like a T72 tank and drove it up to a berm. Instead of firing the main gun or the coax weapon, the driver opens his hatch, lifts up an AK above his head and lets loose on fully auto in the general direction of the enemy. Didn't even bother trying to sight it. Waste of ammo and under utilisation of a tank.
 
Ranger25

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surpreme said:
They have skilled soldiers in there ranks don't forget that all ISIS are not rag tag soldiers Some of them don't give a f*ck if you what I mean. I understand where you coming from doe. I'm trying find out who is giving them intel. I do believe there numbers has fallen in the past year but they have the way of fallen through the cracks. They always find a way to adapt to bad situation. They will go back and disappear in the desert they have cats with them that know the area.
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I agree with the board here

A western Division sized unit would clear Deash in short order. I'd suggest 2 heavy BCTs, one light BCT, a Ranger Battalion. All supported with Corps Aviation and Artillery assets. Deash would scurry away in fear like the rodents they are. It's easy for them to act like the tough guy until they face a professional force.

Someone mentioned the after battle. Agreed there will need to be a minimum of one BCT behind to provide stability and support the Iraqi Army. Even knowing that BCT is there will stiffin their resolve knowing there is Calvalry available if they get into a thick fight. Rotate this BCT on a semi annual basis. This will also keep a wary Iran a little more at bay while Iraq can stabilize their borders and train their forces.
 
cdxbow

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Ranger25 said:
I agree with the board here

A western Division sized unit would clear Deash in short order. I'd suggest 2 heavy BCTs, one light BCT, a Ranger Battalion. All supported with Corps Aviation and Artillery assets. Deash would scurry away in fear like the rodents they are. It's easy for them to act like the tough guy until they face a professional force.

Someone mentioned the after battle. Agreed there will need to be a minimum of one BCT behind to provide stability and support the Iraqi Army. Even knowing that BCT is there will stiffin their resolve knowing there is Calvalry available if they get into a thick fight. Rotate this BCT on a semi annual basis. This will also keep a wary Iran a little more at bay while Iraq can stabilize their borders and train their forces.
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Unless there is some significant increase in the risk that Deash present to the west then I don't think any western gov will risk ground troops in any numbers. Same for Russia.

And I expect you are right, that a western division would clear Deash efficiently in an open conflict, I think you are also right when you allude to rats scurrying away, because that's exactly how it would work, they would do the rodent thing and hide, avoiding direct conflict, nibbling away at you.

I also think that a solution that gives primacy to the locals on the ground is more likely to successful long term.
 
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ZeonChar

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The problem is you may go in there and squash the cockroach, but they will keep coming back as long as countries such as Turkey and Saudi Arabia exist.

Yeah a combined Russian and Western division would clean that all up. There would still be some casualties. Though that only temporarily solves the problem... Heh look at Europe now. That will be a big problem in the near future for them.
 
Feanor

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Update.

The SAA is still pushing north in Latakia, taking villages and hills. A large battle has been fought at Deyr-ez-Zor with an ISIS offensive halted and routed, but with many civilians left dead. The offensive was also quite bloody for both the SAA and ISIS. Back and forth fighting continues in Sheikh Miskin, it doesn't look like either side has gained much ground since last time, although the SAA is on the offensive.

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Fighting continues in Ramadi, despite the city being "taken".

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ISIS has taken some SAMs for tropheys at Deyr-es-Zor, and released some if not all of the hostages they took there. And Russian aircraft have been air-dropping supplies into Deyr-ez-Zor, including humanitarian aid for the local population.

Трофеи "Халифата" под Дейр-Эз-Зором - bmpd
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French volunteers fighting against ISIS along with the Kurds.

ФранцузÑкие добровольцы воюют на Ñтороне курдов против "Халифата" - bmpd

A chart of ATGM launches in Syria, by rebels, by months.

Динамика пуÑков ПТУР в Сирии - bmpd

Russian military personnel inspected Qamishli airport with the possibility of basing Russian aircraft there.

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There is information surfacing on use of Russian unmanned ground systems in Syria, in conjunction with arty and an automated C4I system. Personally I find the story questionable, but it keeps cropping up so I figured I'd post it here.

Gur Khan attacks!: Минобороны РФ обкатывает терминаторов в Сирии
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It looks like 2 of the 4 civilian ships bought for the Syrian express are currently having mechanical issues. And the pace of the Syrian express has seriously decreased.

7 Feet Beneath the Keel: Follow-Up: Drafting Commercial Ships into the Russian Navy
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Interesting chart on the TOW usage vs 'other' ATGM from Oct to Jan 16. (Assuming the data is accurate)

Would seem to indicate the rebel supply of TOW's, are indeed running out... Or the opportunity of targets (unlikely IMV).
 
RobWilliams

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US State Department clears Iraq munition sale in preparation of their F-16 inventory ramp up.

US State Department OKs $2B in F-16 Weapons Sales to Iraq

Weapons sale includes

  • 20 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System (JHMCS)
  • 24 AIM-9M Sidewinders
  • 150 Maverick missiles
  • 14,120 500lb bombs with a mixture of Mk82 or BLU-111 warheads
  • 2,400 2000lbs with a mixture of Mk84 or BLU-117 warheads
  • 8,000 Paveway II laser guided bomb tail kits for 500lb'ers to make GBU-12 bombs
  • 250 Paveway II laser guided bomb tail kits for 2,000lb'ers to make GBU-10 bombs
  • 150 Pavewau II laser guided bomb tail kits for 2,000lb'ers to make GBU-24 bombs
  • 8,500 FMU-152 fuses
  • 4 WGU-43CD2/B guided control units
  • 1 M61 Vulcan 20mm cannon
  • 6 inert Mk82
  • 4 inert Mk84

Iraq currently has 4 F-16's in country and is expecting the next batch of 4 or 5 'soon' with an expectation that the full fleet be delivered around Oct/Nov this year.
 
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Toblerone

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Well at some point Assad should go away and a general popular with the troops should take over. Because it will be hard to create a transitional government with Assad in the mix. It will also look like a defeat for the West and the rebels.

In his place I would have assurances that I won't be prosecuted for any crimes and would retire to Russia to live a long, rich and safe life. Screw all that shit in Syria.
 
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Toblerone

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ZeonChar said:
Even Secretary of Defense Ash Carter is annoyed with Turkey. Essentially admitting a known fact that the Turks let terrorists of all groups cross from their border into Syria.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/anti-coalition-members-doing-nothing-pentagon-chief-225525084.html
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Let's add Joe Biden to that:
[ame=http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0c9_1453398828]LiveLeak.com - US Vice President Joe Biden Admits That US Allies Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Qatar Finance, Support and Supply ISIS[/ame]
 
surpreme

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Toblerone said:
Well at some point Assad should go away and a general popular with the troops should take over. Because it will be hard to create a transitional government with Assad in the mix. It will also look like a defeat for the West and the rebels.

In his place I would have assurances that I won't be prosecuted for any crimes and would retire to Russia to live a long, rich and safe life. Screw all that shit in Syria.
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I agreed, you will have problems getting transfer of power to a respectable person that all parties with agreed with. If Assad smart he will try to make a deal cause if he stay and they catch him goodbye to Assad. A General would be best option to Russia and Western nations. This will give all parties the power to tackle ISIS. ISIS must be destroyed they are doing some of the dumbest stuff anyone can imagine. This best options I heard since the Civil War.
 
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Toblerone

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There was this:
Vladimir Putin asked Bashar al-Assad to step down - FT.com

Which was denied but that doesn't mean anything heh. Also, there is this:
Putin hints that Russia could grant asylum to Assad | World news | The Guardian

If Putin mentioned that then he did so for a specific purpose. I hope he manages to install a general who is loved by the army, right down to the soldiers themselves, some "war hero" patriot to sell the Syrian Arab national idea, who would fit well in a transitional non-sectarian government. And who would be strong in the negotiating table as a leader of the SAA.

And the western press and the rebels can have a victory with the evil hereditary dictator deposed, thrown out of Syria for good. Strictly military leaders are the answer to islamist insurgencies, like Sisi in Egypt, who is also a Putin ally.
 
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ZeonChar

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Toblerone said:
There was this:
Vladimir Putin asked Bashar al-Assad to step down - FT.com

Which was denied but that doesn't mean anything heh. Also, there is this:
Putin hints that Russia could grant asylum to Assad | World news | The Guardian

If Putin mentioned that then he did so for a specific purpose. I hope he manages to install a general who is loved by the army, right down to the soldiers themselves, some "war hero" patriot to sell the Syrian Arab national idea, who would fit well in a transitional non-sectarian government. And who would be strong in the negotiating table as a leader of the SAA.

And the western press and the rebels can have a victory with the evil hereditary dictator deposed, thrown out of Syria for good. Strictly military leaders are the answer to islamist insurgencies, like Sisi in Egypt, who is also a Putin ally.
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Agreed even though Assad is beloved by his people, this is still the best method. That takes away the "Evil Dictator" argument from the opposition. Though, at this point I see the opposition either being destroyed or completely dissolved. No way will they let them have arms still.
 
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Humming Drone

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SecDef Carter stated readiness for direct action on the ground. VP Joe Biden mentioned readiness for the military solution in Syria.

I believe I also saw news reports that the US is looking to set up (air base?) near Al Hasakah.
 
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