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gf0012-aust

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If the Customs Act gets changed there is also and opportunity to provide services to visiting ships without the need for the ship to be 'imported' under the act (which makes the option non viable due to the cost). I am not saying there will be a rush but it xwould help.
yep, customs can turn any loc into a "bonded area" - but for practical purposes....
 

Alf662

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The proposed lift would be in the Multi User Facility (MUF) area and has nothing to do with the Chinese leasing the Port. Darwin Harbour is a very large area of about 140 square miles, the port is a very small part of it.

There is already an advanced proposal to build a common user barge ramp in part funded by the DoD which will be used for landing craft in support of the amphibious fleet. There is also a private Synchro lift with a 2,500 tonne capacity, this is being used to support the fishing and offshore fleet, tugs and landing barges but will probably be too small for future naval use, hence the push by the NT govt to provide a facility which will ensure local sustainment for deployed RAN vessels
Thanks Assail, Voonoobie & Alexsa.

I found a report on the Multi User Barge Ramp Facility that was written for the Parliamentary Standing Committee on Public Works and Paragraph 52 caught my attention:

52. Considerable investigations of tidal movements and the submarine conditions at the proposed site have been carried out during the project design phase, with the objective of maximising the availability of the proposed MUBRF and reducing the requirements for any costly site preparations, particularly dredging. These investigations identified that the Defence requirement for 24 hour, 365 days a year access at all tides could not be achieved without dredging into rock. To avoid this considerable expense, the depth of the channel has been raised slightly. This has subsequently restricted access to fully loaded landing craft for up to five hours per month. However given the additional costs, Defence has accepted this minor operational limitation.

With the recent restrictions placed on the LCM1e carrying the Abrahams tanks I initially thought that it would not be a problem as the replacement LCH would be able to do the heavy lifting.

However, the tidal restrictions being placed on LCM1e when fully loaded (draft of 1 metre) will also restrict access of the LCH replacement if it has a draft greater than 1 meter.

Is this going to be a problem or would other loading solutions be available?

https://www.google.com.au/#q=darwin+proposed+common+user+facility
 

weegee

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there's quite a bit of biased fiction in that presentation of the US reaction
it leaves out the bit about CINCPAC visiting Indon snr naval command and reinforcing that he would not tolerate any moves against australian forces
it ignores the fact that CINCPAC made it public that his forces standing off indonesia would not be benign if circamstances warranted it
it ignores the fact that even though the US always declared non participation there was the unfortunate photo of a couple of Hughes 500's that were sitting in Oz held areas and that they were visible for a reason

unfort the debate is about the platform (again) or about the widgets on that platform - what the other gun runners are not telling those with soft ears who they think have influence is that integration of their gear causes problems across the broader operating picture. they can crap on about how they integrate with NATO etc etc.... but I've lived that dream - and its a house of cards
Hey GF could you point me in the right direction on some well rounded and unbiased and most importantly de classified reading regarding the East Timor intervention? I remember it all happening but was to young to pay any real attention to it. What's that saying young dumb and full of ...
I've heard lots of stories about Indo Subs running around trying to scare our boys that is until our subs turned up or USN turning up? Also our F1-11's sitting on the tarmac on high alert etc I just would be interested in catching up on it and you seem to have a fair bit of info on the subject.

Thanks
 

hairyman

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Changing the subject, I see in todays papers where Turnbull is considering Australia having its own nuclear industry, producing nuclear rods for overseas industry. If this should happen, would nuclear submarines then be on the drawing board for the RAN?
 

gf0012-aust

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Changing the subject, I see in todays papers where Turnbull is considering Australia having its own nuclear industry, producing nuclear rods for overseas industry. If this should happen, would nuclear submarines then be on the drawing board for the RAN?
Nope. RAN has already said no 3 times
 

gf0012-aust

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Hey GF could you point me in the right direction on some well rounded and unbiased and most importantly de classified reading regarding the East Timor intervention? I remember it all happening but was to young to pay any real attention to it. What's that saying young dumb and full of ...
I've heard lots of stories about Indo Subs running around trying to scare our boys that is until our subs turned up or USN turning up? Also our F1-11's sitting on the tarmac on high alert etc I just would be interested in catching up on it and you seem to have a fair bit of info on the subject.

Thanks
sanitised version

East Timor and Australia's Security Role: Issues and Scenarios – Parliament of Australia

IIRC 11 F111's and 8 Hornets + refuelers were rotated through Tindal and Sherger
and on standby
 

ADMk2

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there's quite a bit of biased fiction in that presentation of the US reaction
it leaves out the bit about CINCPAC visiting Indon snr naval command and reinforcing that he would not tolerate any moves against australian forces
it ignores the fact that CINCPAC made it public that his forces standing off indonesia would not be benign if circamstances warranted it
it ignores the fact that even though the US always declared non participation there was the unfortunate photo of a couple of Hughes 500's that were sitting in Oz held areas and that they were visible for a reason

unfort the debate is about the platform (again) or about the widgets on that platform - what the other gun runners are not telling those with soft ears who they think have influence is that integration of their gear causes problems across the broader operating picture. they can crap on about how they integrate with NATO etc etc.... but I've lived that dream - and its a house of cards
USMC Marine Force Recon operators were on the ground as well and as clearly visible (ie: photographed my the mass media) to any who doubted the US was 'interested' in the operation proceeding smoothly...
 

t68

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USMC Marine Force Recon operators were on the ground as well and as clearly visible (ie: photographed my the mass media) to any who doubted the US was 'interested' in the operation proceeding smoothly...
Yep and their was plenty in the crowd when they put on the Xmas concert by John Farnham kylie minouge and Doc Neeson they look a bit shock when They sang "am I ever Gunna see you face again"
 

Samoa

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LHD Adelaide

Looks like future HMAS Adelaide will be alongside FBE tomorrow having completed the delivery voyage from Williamstown. Wonder what the Potts Point residents will think of that :rotfl:
 

Oberon

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Looks like future HMAS Adelaide will be alongside FBE tomorrow having completed the delivery voyage from Williamstown. Wonder what the Potts Point residents will think of that :rotfl:
They don't like having one LHD parked at Garden Island. I don't know how they'll react to two!
 

Bonza

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They don't like having one LHD parked at Garden Island. I don't know how they'll react to two!
Those twits should be pumped to have such naval power on display outside their front doors. I honestly don't get what's wrong with them.
 

vonnoobie

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They're complaining about the noise and that they spoil their view of the harbour.
If they want them gone then they can shell out to build all the replacement facilities, Not just the dock but also all the other naval facilities dotted around Sydney to a new location.

Until they want to cough up the billions to do that they can suck it up.
 

Bonza

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They're complaining about the noise and that they spoil their view of the harbour.
I've heard the reasons, but just don't understand the position. Last time I was on the harbour I couldn't be happier than when we were alongside one of the Adelaide FFGs and a pair of Anzacs, one already with CEAFAR and one undergoing the upgrade. These Potts Point drongos have got it backwards - warships improve the view of anything!

You could park an LHD outside my house, granted I might wonder how it got there considering I live on top of a hill in the suburbs, but I'd be stoked all god damn day. :p
 

gf0012-aust

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Those twits should be pumped to have such naval power on display outside their front doors. I honestly don't get what's wrong with them.
before my daughter went to europe to live she had a flat on the 1st floor of the wharf,

every time I visited her and stayed it was like naval porn for me - I think she was the only one in wooly who got excited at them.

there were some absolute prats living on the wharf, some were absolutely horrified that some bloke with a 4wd with all the fruit on it was parked downstairs next to and amongst the R8's, M5's AMG's and Evoques... :)
 

swerve

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There's an annual rock festival in the town where I live (Reading). First held here in 1971, next to the Thames.

On the other side of the river are some expensive houses - expensive because of the location. A stupid git bought one, I think in the late 1980s, & started going to court to get the festival stopped on the grounds of noise & disturbance. He lost every time. Obvious reasons: he knew it was there when he bought the house. IIRC the courts started refusing to hear him, it having been settled & he being unable to think of any new arguments, so he started going to court for the right to bring a case. I think that was eventually barred.

Dickhead, eh? Spent a fortune on cases which any lawyer worth giving money to would have told him were doomed, & stuck with 'em for years. But a dickhead with money. Unfortunately, there are plenty of them.
 

gf0012-aust

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There's an annual rock festival in the town where I live (Reading). First held here in 1971, next to the Thames.

On the other side of the river are some expensive houses - expensive because of the location. A stupid git bought one, I think in the late 1980s, & started going to court to get the festival stopped on the grounds of noise & disturbance. He lost every time. Obvious reasons: he knew it was there when he bought the house. IIRC the courts started refusing to hear him, it having been settled & he being unable to think of any new arguments, so he started going to court for the right to bring a case. I think that was eventually barred.

Dickhead, eh? Spent a fortune on cases which any lawyer worth giving money to would have told him were doomed, & stuck with 'em for years. But a dickhead with money. Unfortunately, there are plenty of them.
what a dill, any sensible lawyer could argue that he's become a vexatious litigant
 
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