Indonesian Aero News

[Sandhi Yudha]

AMARC Experience - AMARC Experience

From Amarc database seems from 24 to Indonesia, divided into 19 C and 5 D. However, I read on local forum that says 20 C and 4 D. No official info on this, but I guess will be around 18-20 C and 4-6 D.

Thank you for the info, Ananda.

Some time ago, in 2012 if im not wrong, Indonesia ordered the IAI Searcher II, I wonder how many we have, does someone knows the amount in service with the TNI-AU?
And how about our own projects?
This is the last info available about this subject: Indonesia develops drone to monitor border regions | The Jakarta Post

Some interesting facts about UAVs in Asian countries
UAV | Defence Talks

 

[Ananda]

Penerbang F-16 C/D 52ID TNI AU Menjalani Latihan Terbang Di Tucson. | Tentara Nasional Indonesia - Angkatan Udara

From official Indonesian AF (TNI-AU) website. In summarized:
1. TNI-AU already send 6 of it's F-16 pilots to fetch 3 F-16 C/D block 25 upgrade at Tucson Arizona. Those pilots will then take conversion and familiarise training for Instructors Pilots.
2. Those 3 F-16, will then officially handed over to Indonesian AF at 15th of July, which then will be flown ferry to Iswahyudy AB at East Java (current house of Indonesian F-16).
3. With 6 pilots fetching 3 planes, it's can assumed that those first batch will be F-16 D. Officialy the Indonesian AF F-16 Block 25 upgrade will be called F-16 C/D 52 ID. This shown that the plane have some capabilities of Block 52, although not all par with Block 52
4. The Block 52 elements mostly in Avionics and ECM. The engine still F100-PW-220/E although being further upgrade and modified by PW with new components and parts. Overall the upgrade program similar with USAF CCIP program for their Block 40-42 into Block 52 plus Falcon STAR.
5. Indonesian AF, admitted this F-16 C/D will be used as stop-gap measures gor at least 10 years, which by 2024 it's expected new gen of Fighters will replaced them.

The program (from other sources) when all 24 being received, then will be followed by upgraded program for existing 10 F-16 blk 15 OCU, which already being contracted with BAe.

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

Penerbang F-16 C/D 52ID TNI AU Menjalani Latihan Terbang Di Tucson. | Tentara Nasional Indonesia - Angkatan Udara

From official Indonesian AF (TNI-AU) website. In summarized:
1. TNI-AU already send 6 of it's F-16 pilots to fetch 3 F-16 C/D block 25 upgrade at Tucson Arizona. Those pilots will then take conversion and familiarise training for Instructors Pilots.
2. Those 3 F-16, will then officially handed over to Indonesian AF at 15th of July, which then will be flown ferry to Iswahyudy AB at East Java (current house of Indonesian F-16).
3. With 6 pilots fetching 3 planes, it's can assumed that those first batch will be F-16 D. Officialy the Indonesian AF F-16 Block 25 upgrade will be called F-16 C/D 52 ID. This shown that the plane have some capabilities of Block 52, although not all par with Block 52
4. The Block 52 elements mostly in Avionics and ECM. The engine still F100-PW-220/E although being further upgrade and modified by PW with new components and parts. Overall the upgrade program similar with USAF CCIP program for their Block 40-42 into Block 52 plus Falcon STAR.
5. Indonesian AF, admitted this F-16 C/D will be used as stop-gap measures gor at least 10 years, which by 2024 it's expected new gen of Fighters will replaced them.

The program (from other sources) when all 24 being received, then will be followed by upgraded program for existing 10 F-16 blk 15 OCU, which already being contracted with BAe.

Thank you for the summary Ananda!

 

[Ananda]

Got from local forum. Seems this is one of F-16 C/D blk 25 upgrade (called now F-16 C/D 52 ID) still in Tucson Arizona. The Indonesian AF website already stated that external dimension and flight charateristic of those F-16 C/D are very similar with the charateristic of existing F-16 A/B blk 15 OCU, but with avionics that up to blk 52 standard.

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

Got from local forum. Seems this is one of F-16 C/D blk 25 upgrade (called now F-16 C/D 52 ID) still in Tucson Arizona. The Indonesian AF website already stated that external dimension and flight charateristic of those F-16 C/D are very similar with the charateristic of existing F-16 A/B blk 15 OCU, but with avionics that up to blk 52 standard.

Thank you for sharing Ananda!
Its a low-res photo, but i dont see the Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) interrogator with "bird-slicing" IFF antennas in front of the canopy, something you see at all F-16AM/BM MLU (Mid-Life Update) aeroplanes which are upgraded to Block 50/52 standard.
On the other hand, it looks like i see the tailnumber TS-1625, so it has to be indeed a F-16C/D Block 25 upgraded close to Block 52 level.
(The old ones had the tailnumbers TS-1601 to 1612 if im not wrong.)

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

I dont know all of them, or just the first of 8 sets, but the Oerlikon SkyShield 35mm Air Defence System is planned to be delivered to TNI-AU end of August this year.

Its also not clear if its the normal version or the new ones with stealthy cupolas like the Nächstbereichschutzsystem MANTIS and Millennium 35 mm Naval Revolver Gun System.

 

[Ananda]

First Batch of Indonesian Upgrade F-16 C/D arrived in Iswahyudi AB. Pictures from Local Forum and Indonesian AF Website. The First Batch consists of 3 aircraft of 2 F-16D and 1 F-16 C. This First batch will be used for conversion tarining in Iswahyudi, by 4 USAF mobile instructors.

The 24 F-16 C/D will be divided on 2 Squadrons, with 8 will be add to existing 10 strong F-16 A/B Blk 15 OCU of Sq 3. While the rest 16 will make newly reactivated Sq 16 in Pekanbaru AB (accompany existing Hawk 100/200 Sq there).

TNI-AU also already signed contract (confirmation needed) with BAe for upgrading existing F-16 A/B Blk 15 to simmilar standard with those 24 F-16 C/D upgrade. The upgrade work for those existing 10 F-16 A/B Blk 15 OCU schedulled to begin after all 24 upgared F-16 C/D arrived.

As being informed before, the 24 Blk 25 F-16 being upgrade with the works on their Structure, engine and Avionics. They are now being equiped with F-100-PW-220E, simmilar with existing F-16 A/B Blk 15 OCU, however with digital computer (DEEC) for improved performance. While the Avionics being upgraded with similar Blok 50/52 standard.

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

First Batch of Indonesian Upgrade F-16 C/D arrived in Iswahyudi AB. Pictures from Local Forum and Indonesian AF Website. The First Batch consists of 3 aircraft of 2 F-16D and 1 F-16 C. This First batch will be used for conversion tarining in Iswahyudi, by 4 USAF mobile instructors.

The 24 F-16 C/D will be divided on 2 Squadrons, with 8 will be add to existing 10 strong F-16 A/B Blk 15 OCU of Sq 3. While the rest 16 will make newly reactivated Sq 16 in Pekanbaru AB (accompany existing Hawk 100/200 Sq there).

TNI-AU also already signed contract (confirmation needed) with BAe for upgrading existing F-16 A/B Blk 15 to simmilar standard with those 24 F-16 C/D upgrade. The upgrade work for those existing 10 F-16 A/B Blk 15 OCU schedulled to begin after all 24 upgared F-16 C/D arrived.

As being informed before, the 24 Blk 25 F-16 being upgrade with the works on their Structure, engine and Avionics. They are now being equiped with F-100-PW-220E, simmilar with existing F-16 A/B Blk 15 OCU, however with digital computer (DEEC) for improved performance. While the Avionics being upgraded with similar Blok 50/52 standard.

Its great that the first three of these aeroplanes have arrived in our country.
There are some video's now on the internet of the arrival, like from ARC, but this video from the Indonesian Air Force itself is the best one.
[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-62_lwLdzdc"]Pesawat F-16 C/D-52ID TNI AU - YouTube[/nomedia]
From which i understand the fighterjets are TS-1620, TS-1623 and TS-1625. But in this video i also saw TS-1609, maybe it was one of the escorting aircrafts.

 

[anan]

Indonesian Air Force skew proliferation

Hi Sandhi Yudha and Ananda.

Why is the Indonesian Air Force simultaneously buying KT-1, Grob G 120TP, and Embraer EMB 314 Super Tucano? Does this make any sense? Which of these platforms has the lowest life cycle cost per unit of combat effectiveness?

Similarly I am confused about Indonesia buying both Lockheed C-130 Hercules and CASA CN-235. Can the C-130s perform certain functions that the CASA CN-235 cannot? How do their life cycle costs per ton mile (or ton kilometer) compare?

In my opinion Indonesia should buy more multipurpose light attack turboprops (that can be used for limited air to air combat, strategic bombing, close air support, ISR and training depending on the need). Future CAS operations should focus on using light attack turboprops and rotary where airbases are not available.

Supersonic multipurpose fighter aircraft should be reserved for air defense as much as possible, since they are far more expensive to fly per hour when accounting for all life cycle costs).

Why is Indonesia simultaneously buying three helicopter skews? Bell 412, Eurocopter AS 332 Super Puma, and Eurocopter EC725? What unique capabilities do each of these skews offer?

 

[madokafc]

Hi Sandhi Yudha and Ananda.

Why is the Indonesian Air Force simultaneously buying KT-1, Grob G 120TP, and Embraer EMB 314 Super Tucano? Does this make any sense? Which of these platforms has the lowest life cycle cost per unit of combat effectiveness?

Similarly I am confused about Indonesia buying both Lockheed C-130 Hercules and CASA CN-235. Can the C-130s perform certain functions that the CASA CN-235 cannot? How do their life cycle costs per ton mile (or ton kilometer) compare?

In my opinion Indonesia should buy more multipurpose light attack turboprops (that can be used for limited air to air combat, strategic bombing, close air support, ISR and training depending on the need). Future CAS operations should focus on using light attack turboprops and rotary where airbases are not available.

Supersonic multipurpose fighter aircraft should be reserved for air defense as much as possible, since they are far more expensive to fly per hour when accounting for all life cycle costs).

Why is Indonesia simultaneously buying three helicopter skews? Bell 412, Eurocopter AS 332 Super Puma, and Eurocopter EC725? What unique capabilities do each of these skews offer?

hello, i am not ananda nor sandi Yudha though let me to answer the questions

First, KT-1 will be used as advance trainer plane, Grobe as basic trainer to replace the Bravos, meanwhile, Tucano will be used as dedicated CAS platform same as the role of ubiquitous OV-10 Bronce.

Second, C-130H is a heavy transport plane with role to move strategic assets and combat troops into their destinations at speed. Meanwhile CN-235/CN-295 has been used as secondary medium transport role, considering their capacity is less than the Hercules. Why we are keeping such medium transport planes? because not all of the time we need such big planes to do the jobs that would be overkill considering the cost and maintenance needed to operate a Hercules.

Third, Indonesia need far more of multi role Jet fighter than we have today considering the perceived threats we had been assessed lately. Turboprop CAS, cannot cope with those threats especially the danger who have been lurking lately in South China Sea. :sick

Fourth, Indonesia armed forces has standardized their need of Multi-role transport helicopter into Bell-412EP, such an utility helos they have been proved themselves ubiquitous and easy to be maintain. Super Puma and Caracal will be used as Combat SAR helos for Air Forces need, considering their design and proven record during their operations history with other armed forces around the world.

 

[madokafc]

The another batch of 6 F-16ID will come in September, the pilots who will flying them right now doing their training in Madiun under supervision of USAF pilot trainer.

 

[Ananda]

SAAB increasing their campaign for Grippen as TNI-AU F-5E replacement.

Saab offers "100% technology transfer" in bid to secure TNI Gripen deal - IHS Jane's 360

It will be interesting what SAAB means with 100% Tech Transfer...Some speculated this will be in term of Lincense Production with DI/IAe..However for just 16, it's not likely.
The argument come on speculation that SAAB looking not just as F-5E replacement, but also as Hawk 200 replacement later on..So talking about potential 3 Sq or Up to 50-60 Fighters. A number that can justified Lincense Production locally.

Other argument also point on those tech transfer aimed for KFX/IFX project. SAAB already approach KAI and it's logical also to approach the other Partner. In sense (on that argument), what SAAB offering is Technology, and not the finish product. It's make sense if that approach being aimed for KFX project, since KFX/IFX aimed on using available off the shelf technology.

Well, will see how this turn out. SAAB has to compete with LM which coincidently also already talk with ROK for their involvement in KFX. With increasing number of F-16 in TNI-AU inventory, those projected USD 1 bio budget for TNI-AU replacement can also made on LM calculation for 16 Block 52. Afterall, the 24 Modified Block 25, and the plan Upgrade for existing 10 Block 15 OCU, will use Block 52 standard tech.

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

SAAB increasing their campaign for Grippen as TNI-AU F-5E replacement.

Saab offers "100% technology transfer" in bid to secure TNI Gripen deal - IHS Jane's 360

It will be interesting what SAAB means with 100% Tech Transfer...Some speculated this will be in term of Lincense Production with DI/IAe..However for just 16, it's not likely.
The argument come on speculation that SAAB looking not just as F-5E replacement, but also as Hawk 200 replacement later on..So talking about potential 3 Sq or Up to 50-60 Fighters. A number that can justified Lincense Production locally.

Other argument also point on those tech transfer aimed for KFX/IFX project. SAAB already approach KAI and it's logical also to approach the other Partner. In sense (on that argument), what SAAB offering is Technology, and not the finish product. It's make sense if that approach being aimed for KFX project, since KFX/IFX aimed on using available off the shelf technology.

Well, will see how this turn out. SAAB has to compete with LM which coincidently also already talk with ROK for their involvement in KFX. With increasing number of F-16 in TNI-AU inventory, those projected USD 1 bio budget for TNI-AU replacement can also made on LM calculation for 16 Block 52. Afterall, the 24 Modified Block 25, and the plan Upgrade for existing 10 Block 15 OCU, will use Block 52 standard tech.

Oh no, not another aircraft type, from a complete other manufacturer and a complete other country. The Saab JAS-39 Gripen is a great aircraft for a great price but i think we must just go for more F-16s or T-50/TA-50s as a replacement for the F-5 and if the KFX project will be canceled, also later for the Hawk Mk 109/209.

 

[tonnyc]

Oh no, not another aircraft type, from a complete other manufacturer and a complete other country. The Saab JAS-39 Gripen is a great aircraft for a great price but i think we must just go for more F-16s or T-50/TA-50s as a replacement for the F-5 and if the KFX project will be canceled, also later for the Hawk Mk 109/209.

The Indonesian government, both the current and upcoming one, seems to disagree with you. After the acquisition for 24 second-hand F-16 was confirmed in 2011, the government has consistently signaled that they are no longer looking for just fighter jets, but rather, the next fighter jets purchase is a means of acquiring modern technology.

This is why the Indonesian consistently said that they want F -16 block 60/61 instead of more second-hand F-16, Su-35 instead of second-hand Su-27, Rafale instead of second-hand Mirage, and Gripen E instead of Gripen C/D. And that's why they mandated a transfer of technology program regardless of which will be chosen.

This does mean that the logistics will be less simple compared to your suggestion. I do believe the Indonesian government is well-aware of it and consider it a price worth paying.

 

[Ananda]

@Sandhi Yudha: Logistical costs in the case of TNI also has to put into consideration on diversification issue. In sense TNI still want to have diversification of supplier, thus this will have to be paid on higher logistical costs. The trick is how to minimise it.

This I bet, will come in to promotional campaign from SAAB, LM or other potential suppliers. SAAB already for some time, even to Indonesian media campaigning on Gripen as the best money can buy Fighters, low operational costs with sophisticated state of the art technology. I even heard from Mindef sources, they are using comparisons of Gripen operational cost to Hawk 200 costs.

As for LM, I believe they will used commonality card on their campaign. Will be intersting though if TNI-AU can secured USD 1 bio budget for F-5 replacement project, LM will then again offered option of say 16 brand new Block 52+ or 32-40 Block 25 upgraded with Block 52 standard, as they have provide option before of 8 brand new Block 52 vs 24 Modified Block 25 (with Block 52 tech) as current contract.

@tonnyc: Yes the TNI-AU need to keep pace on Technological curve, considering Australia and Singapore already move to F-35 and China keep improving their fleet. However I have one issue to ask, what about KFX/IFX factor ?

In sense if KFX/IFX project moved on, it will take much of TNI-AU allocated budget. It will be difficult politically for any Parliement and Administration in power at that time frame, on not supporting this project all the way. My point is, any procurement of Block 60, SAAB E/F or SU 35, will have to take this as factor. How much budget left after KFX/IFX used biggest chunck of the TNI-AU portion ?

Unless you have information that more budget can be allocated without going to intervere with kFX/IFX project ? From my understanding, the MIndef and Finance Ministry it self still arguing how to allocated budget on other fighter program 'when' KFX/IFX project moved on to development stages.

Will have to see what the new administration moved so far. Jokowi already said in media he will support this KFX/IFX project if the involvement of local industry secured.

 

[tonnyc]

@tonnyc: Yes the TNI-AU need to keep pace on Technological curve, considering Australia and Singapore already move to F-35 and China keep improving their fleet. However I have one issue to ask, what about KFX/IFX factor ?

In sense if KFX/IFX project moved on, it will take much of TNI-AU allocated budget. It will be difficult politically for any Parliement and Administration in power at that time frame, on not supporting this project all the way. My point is, any procurement of Block 60, SAAB E/F or SU 35, will have to take this as factor. How much budget left after KFX/IFX used biggest chunck of the TNI-AU portion ?

Unless you have information that more budget can be allocated without going to intervere with kFX/IFX project ? From my understanding, the MIndef and Finance Ministry it self still arguing how to allocated budget on other fighter program 'when' KFX/IFX project moved on to development stages.

Will have to see what the new administration moved so far. Jokowi already said in media he will support this KFX/IFX project if the involvement of local industry secured.

They way I see it, Indonesia wants to get 4.5th generation fighter jets both as a hedge against the possibility that the KFX/IFX turns out less than expected and also as a way of supporting the program. Any technology gained would mean that they will be more ready to build the KFX/IFX and contribute more to the program and at the same time any technology gained means that in the event that the program is a failure, they will already have that technology.

As for the budget, Indonesia's share is estimated at $2 billions, spread out over probably 5 years or more (I will be surprised if the program gets finished before 2019). The earlier years will be relatively small, and the later years comparatively big. However, for easier calculations, let's just say that this is $400 million per year. President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono on his MEF program convinced the parliament to allocate Rp 150 trillion for the defense modernization program, that was roughly $15 billion at the time. If Indonesia is serious about continuing the modernization program, I really don't see why Indonesia can't allocate money for both a 4.5 gen fighter jet and developing the KFX/IFX.

Indonesia can also arrange the timing to avoid a sudden increase in financial burden. If the next fighter jet purchase can be finalized soon, payment terms can be arranged so that they fall on 2015-2017, while the KFX/IFX project has not yet reached prototype stage (I am under the impression that building and testing a working prototype is the most expensive stage in a development project). That way, when the financial requirement for the KFX/IFX program gets expensive, the next fighter jet will already be bought and paid for.

Now, if your doubt is about whether the Indonesian parliament will or won't, that's another matter, but the issue is not about economic/financial capability. Indonesia has that. The issue is political will.

 

[Ananda]

Political Will is there, for indigenous 4.5 gen Fighters program. In fact I see it they (the political entity) are more willing to sell the 'idea' of KFX/IFX compared getting new 4.5 gen outside the program. Afterall the political 'mantra' for future defense procurement is 'self reliance' in which they simplyfied it as 'build locally' (whether the parts coming from outside suppliers is different matter).

Look at the example of C-27 vs C295 as Fokker 27 replacement. Even the TNI-AU as users more inclided to C-27, it's politically vetoed due to EADS and DI/IAe involvement for local projects of C-295. In such tactical ability consideration can be outweight by more 'political' local industry involvement.

USD 2 bio is for development alone, and not procurement of KFX/IFX. Thus the budget for overal project can be much more than that. Yes, it will probably most of them begin to be charge after development stages (thus 2020+). However considering the budget allocation practices so far, it will not be surprising that allocation for TNI-AU wil be reduced before 2020 in exchange for the Navy or the Army. While the proportion for the Air Force can be increased after 2020, when production stages begin (according to schedulle), as compensation.

Can be additional budget allocated ? Well yes, Indonesia paid more than USD 30 bio annualy for Fuel Subsidy alone. If the next administration dare to reduce it by half, and say the defense can get 20% of the 'switch' allocation of USD 15 bio from Fuel subsidy, then all this talking about additional 4.5 gen fighter outside KFX/IFX project can be realistic.

In short, I just don't see if Indonesia committed to KFX/IFX and allocation of defense budget stay on current proportion of around 1% of GDP, TNI-AU can acquiared additional Gen 4.5 fighters outside KFX/IFX project. If the budget incerased to 1.5% or even 2% of GDP, then it's another matter.

All depends to whether Political establishment dared to reduced Fuel subsidy. Because the Fuel subsidy incerasingly become the major problem to Indonesian economy. We simply can not afford 'burning' USD 30 bio + annualy to something that unproductive like Fueld Subsidy.
Used that money for Infrastructure (economic, transport and also defense), then there are new equation to be considered.

 

[tonnyc]

That is probably why the Indonesian Government seems to want to finish the next fighter jet purchase soon before the KFX/IFX development cost gets big enough to be noticed by a potentially hostile parliament.

I expect things to get finalized in 2015 or 2016. Any later and there will be politicians will start saying that Indonesia doesn't need the fighter jets because the KFX/IFX will be arriving "soon".

 

[Ananda]

2015 can be potentially more challenging for Indonesian economy then this year. Drastic action like significantly cutting the fuel subsidies will be the first major step to reinstate market confidence with Indonesian economy.

Integration for Asean Economic Community canalso provide challenges (but also opportunities). Point is, the new administration can be overwhelmed with economics challenges, that defense procurement in next year slowed down compared this last few years. The AF already talked for some time on getting 10 fighters sq. The replacement for F-5, is the last step on the first stage on getting 10 modern sq. From 3 types that need to be replaced, 2 already done, and left to F-5. Temptation will be there to think the AF already got new assets, letsfocus on other branches.

What I'm getting at, with 2 sq of Hawk 200, 2 Sq of F-16, 1 sq of Su-27/30, 1 sq of Tucano as COIN, and 1 sq of TA-50 as COIN, it won't be unthinkable for new administration saying, "well hold on lets take a pause', the AF already got enough toys, lets focus on Economic chalanges, and more pressing issue in Defence of getting more toys to the Navy. Afterall we need to get the Navy going stronger on patroling the waters, since Jokowi already campaigning for better maritim projects (thus need more efficient Navy to secured them).

Thus securing another Fighters project in 2015-16, pottentially facing more challenges. If the present administration already finished F-5 replacement contract, then we can see potential the new fighters replacing F-5 on that time frame. As I remember, the option on upgrading F-5 so they can still operational until 2020 also being communicated through media sometimes ago.

Let see what Jokowi administration will do, since SBY administration relative large (and for Indonesian standard more effective) defense procurement era already closing. Knowing PDIP behind Jokowi, and looking PDIP ' failure' the last time they are in power (including defense matters), I still reserve much doubt on Jokowi administration.

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

2015 can be potentially more challenging for Indonesian economy then this year. Drastic action like significantly cutting the fuel subsidies will be the first major step to reinstate market confidence with Indonesian economy.

Integration for Asean Economic Community canalso provide challenges (but also opportunities). Point is, the new administration can be overwhelmed with economics challenges, that defense procurement in next year slowed down compared this last few years. The AF already talked for some time on getting 10 fighters sq. The replacement for F-5, is the last step on the first stage on getting 10 modern sq. From 3 types that need to be replaced, 2 already done, and left to F-5. Temptation will be there to think the AF already got new assets, letsfocus on other branches.

What I'm getting at, with 2 sq of Hawk 200, 2 Sq of F-16, 1 sq of Su-27/30, 1 sq of Tucano as COIN, and 1 sq of TA-50 as COIN, it won't be unthinkable for new administration saying, "well hold on lets take a pause', the AF already got enough toys, lets focus on Economic chalanges, and more pressing issue in Defence of getting more toys to the Navy. Afterall we need to get the Navy going stronger on patroling the waters, since Jokowi already campaigning for better maritim projects (thus need more efficient Navy to secured them).

Thus securing another Fighters project in 2015-16, pottentially facing more challenges. If the present administration already finished F-5 replacement contract, then we can see potential the new fighters replacing F-5 on that time frame. As I remember, the option on upgrading F-5 so they can still operational until 2020 also being communicated through media sometimes ago.

Let see what Jokowi administration will do, since SBY administration relative large (and for Indonesian standard more effective) defense procurement era already closing. Knowing PDIP behind Jokowi, and looking PDIP ' failure' the last time they are in power (including defense matters), I still reserve much doubt on Jokowi administration.

I agree with you two, specially with Ananda's view on PDI-P, i also have my doubts about PDI-Ps ideas and policy. Reformasi was really used to weaken our armed forces, hopefully they have learned from the past.
I understand that our goverment wants new jetfighters with as much as possible tech-transfer and involvement of our defense industry.
But a mixture of 34 F-16s, 20 T-50is, 16 Su-27/-30 and a three squadrons of Gripens+KFX as a replacement for one sq F-5s and two sq Hawks Mk109/209 is still five different types of aircrafts coming from four different manufacturers and countries.