NZDF General discussion thread

Zero Alpha

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Therefore one could imply from that list that we could be getting both a C130 replacement such as the A400 and a twin engined air lifter but that would be pre-empting the NZDF Air Transport Study and the subsequent 2015 DWP. At least this output list gives an idea of where they are looking at heading with regard to capabilities.
If you read through the cabinet minutes that were released as part of the last white paper, you'll see some broad figures presented as part of capital forecasts, and some rough outlines of future capabilities. You can download them all from the MoD site. It's not clear what the status of these wish lists are, but in terms of dollars:

  • $200M for short range air transport and maritime air patrol (combined output). Five aircraft mentioned.
  • $2B for 4x P-8 (4x P-8s referenced for low, mid and high spending pathways)
  • $1.3B for medium/long range air transport
  • Unspecified sum for 3x maritime UAVs (high pathway only)
  • Satellite imagery capability (high pathway only)
 

MrConservative

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http://www.defence.govt.nz/pdfs/def...eview-white-paper-cabinet-combined-papers.pdf

The link to the Cabinet Docs. Most regulars have waded through these since then. But it is good to have them handy again for reference.

Other than the plan not to go with a Ohakea hub (Good - dumb idea) - the middle pathway is pretty much in hand, with an improving economy it is now a matter of how much of the high pathway stuff gets picked up. I more am more confident about that than I have been for sometime.
 

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If you read through the cabinet minutes that were released as part of the last white paper, you'll see some broad figures presented as part of capital forecasts, and some rough outlines of future capabilities. You can download them all from the MoD site. It's not clear what the status of these wish lists are, but in terms of dollars:

  • $200M for short range air transport and maritime air patrol (combined output). Five aircraft mentioned.
  • $2B for 4x P-8 (4x P-8s referenced for low, mid and high spending pathways)
  • $1.3B for medium/long range air transport
  • Unspecified sum for 3x maritime UAVs (high pathway only)
  • Satellite imagery capability (high pathway only)
Thanks for the reminder & list. I have a copy of them however have not completely waded my way through. :( I think the dollar amounts will have changed, as in the unit cost, more than in the currency fluctuations. So do we presume that costs cited are only for the aircraft, tech support, spares, manuals, simulator, training package, armaments and support pack? What I mean is they are not factoring the Term of Life Costs.

I shall go and have a refresher and finish the read.
http://www.defence.govt.nz/pdfs/def...eview-white-paper-cabinet-combined-papers.pdf

The link to the Cabinet Docs. Most regulars have waded through these since then. But it is good to have them handy again for reference.

Other than the plan not to go with a Ohakea hub (Good - dumb idea) - the middle pathway is pretty much in hand, with an improving economy it is now a matter of how much of the high pathway stuff gets picked up. I more am more confident about that than I have been for sometime.
I am a bit more cautious than you so I think I might restrain any confidence until after the election. I do not have any faith in NZ politicians when it comes to defence and I only believe it when I see it. The current NZG seems to be turning away from the dark side of the force, but the dark side of the force is very strong in the other political parties in NZ. Read the NZ Green Party Defence Policy.
 

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I do not have any faith in NZ politicians when it comes to defence and I only believe it when I see it. The current NZG seems to be turning away from the dark side of the force, but the dark side of the force is very strong in the other political parties in NZ. Read the NZ Green Party Defence Policy.
I had faith in Frank Gill and David Thompson. Showing my age. :D

I have read the Green Defence Policy but I am more of a non-fiction guy and fiction in the fantasy genre is not my cup of tea.
 

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I had faith in Frank Gill and David Thompson. Showing my age. :D

I have read the Green Defence Policy but I am more of a non-fiction guy and fiction in the fantasy genre is not my cup of tea.
I do like my fiction in the fantasy genre but the greens defence policy wouldn't even be acceptable there :D
 

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I do like my fiction in the fantasy genre but the greens defence policy wouldn't even be acceptable there :D
Greens Defence policy made my eyes bleed...its not even fantasy or fiction they must of been smoking some very potent herbal cigarettes
 

kiwi in exile

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2014 defence capability plan has been posted on the NZ Min Def website

Of interest:
New Spec Ops vehicles from 2016. I'm nota fan of the Pinz, given the Brits withdrew them due to IED vulnerability. Their inflatable boats are currently being replaced.

Apparently we are still in the market for upgraded/replaced steyrs:
"The next step is to replace the current Steyr rifle with a modern ‘open architecture’ rifle that can be fitted with the full range of day and night sights and other fitments that maximise our soldiers’ capabilities." pg 29.

Following the upgrades to the P3's their underwater ISR capabilities will be upgraded. :)

LAV upgrade underway 2015 "beginning with a strategic assessment of the NZDF’s armoured mobility requirements over the next decade and beyond" and possibly reduced fleet numbers (remember the rumoured deal with the Columbians).

A109 refresh beginning 2018: "The A109s will also provide vital support to counter-terrorism activities and Special Operations Forces, and be integrated with HMNZS Canterbury." Interesting to see what this will entail: weapons, sensors, fast roping, seaworthy landing gear... who knows. If a 109 can be intergrated with the canterbury, maybe can also be intergrated with an OPV. People were debating this on another NZ thread.

Can anyone identify the sight fitted to the Carl G in the pic on Pg 35? IR? Night vision?
 

Gibbo

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Of interest:
New Spec Ops vehicles from 2016. I'm nota fan of the Pinz, given the Brits withdrew them due to IED vulnerability. Their inflatable boats are currently being replaced.

Apparently we are still in the market for upgraded/replaced steyrs:
"The next step is to replace the current Steyr rifle with a modern ‘open architecture’ rifle that can be fitted with the full range of day and night sights and other fitments that maximise our soldiers’ capabilities." pg 29.

Following the upgrades to the P3's their underwater ISR capabilities will be upgraded. :)

LAV upgrade underway 2015 "beginning with a strategic assessment of the NZDF’s armoured mobility requirements over the next decade and beyond" and possibly reduced fleet numbers (remember the rumoured deal with the Columbians).

A109 refresh beginning 2018: "The A109s will also provide vital support to counter-terrorism activities and Special Operations Forces, and be integrated with HMNZS Canterbury." Interesting to see what this will entail: weapons, sensors, fast roping, seaworthy landing gear... who knows. If a 109 can be intergrated with the canterbury, maybe can also be intergrated with an OPV. People were debating this on another NZ thread.

Can anyone identify the sight fitted to the Carl G in the pic on Pg 35? IR? Night vision?
No real surprises in the DCP which in itself isn't a surprise. Generally speaking I think it's a well-balanced plan given the fiscal boundaries that have been outlined. I tend to focus on the air component but I think the Army & Navy plans are good, liking them on the whole.

Curious as to why the Canterbury remediation seems to extend out a few years yet - thought that was almost sorted!?! Looking forward to seeing designs for AOR & LWSV.

Still no certainty about LAVIII numbers - I still (naievly?) believe we should retain the whole fleet and if need be select 20 or so for deep, low cost storage so that they basically become a spares pool overtime - this to enable a long-life for the fleet rather than dumping a number just to release coin, then potentially struggling with spares in later life...but then I don't know what the LAVIII spares situation is like!?!

Anyway to the Air component of the plan...;)

So clearly no mention of the extra AW109 once mooted - if it ain't in here it ain't going to happen is my thinking. The 'refresh' intrigues me - a 'spit & polish' perhaps? :p3

No discussion of B200 lease expiry in 2018 - guess they'll deal with that as part of the transport fleet replacement project!?!

And now to my main bug-bear! The P3K2! Firstly - the ASW upgrade is listed as a project 'under development' - that's promising, but I read '...consideration will be given to...' makes the upgrade far from a certainty - especially if fiscal screws go on.. I'd like to see more certainty.

As I would the self-protection capability for the fleet. I struggle with the lack of a SD kit for the P3 - all other operational fleets now have them (C130, NH90, SH2G) - so why not the P3!?! This (sub)project has quietly slipped of the radar since the LTDP a few years back.

I see the P3 as a core component of the JATF & in both that role & in the overland ISR role the P3 needs to be able to enter fairly 'warm' zones to be credible. However without a SD kit, it simply can't be risked - so why, why, why is this requirement seemingly being brushed aside!?! I know I do sound like a broken record about the P3 SD kit...I've mentioned it often! :jump

Next is DWP 2015 - I'd imagine that will also be a fairly no-surprises, steady-as-you-go document, with acknowledgement of the seemingly increasing number of hotspots now appearing.
 
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kiwi in exile

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And now to my main bug-bear! The P3K2! Firstly - the ASW upgrade is listed as a project 'under development' - that's promising, but I read '...consideration will be given to...' makes the upgrade far from a certainty - especially if fiscal screws go on.. I'd like to see more certainty.

As I would the self-protection capability for the fleet. I struggle with the lack of a SD kit for the P3 - all other operational fleets now have them (C130, NH90, SH2G) - so why not the P3!?! This (sub)project has quietly slipped of the radar since the LTDP a few years back.

I see the P3 as a core component of the JATF & in both that role & in the overland ISR role the P3 needs to be able to enter fairly 'warm' zones to be credible. However without a SD kit, it simply can't be risked - so why, why, why is this requirement seemingly being brushed aside!?! I know I do sound like a broken record about the P3 SD kit...I've mentioned it often! :jump
plus 1. I agree. The P3 is more than just part of the JATF. We have deployed them to the middle east in 04-05, and they could reasonably be expected to deploy beyond the S Pacific in future. Defeiitely need some form of SD.
 

Gracie1234

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Antarctica capabilities

Hi All. I have been thinking about our Antarctic claim and our capability to enforce our claim. The treaty will expire in about 30 years. This is a long way off but as we all know it takes a long time to bring on new capabilities. I thought it might be interesting to discuss what capabilities NZ has and would require to maintain our presence their in light of what is happening in the south china sea. If you are not there then someone else will stake a claim and we could lose what we have.
We need to have a presence their to uphold our rights. I know we have some capabilities such as the OPV that can operate there, but what else do we need i.e capabilities and numbers of platforms. Is it just a matter of increasing our air ISR and sea patrol hours and potentially land transport abilities such as a vehicle such as the tracked Bronco from Singapore. Do we require an air strike platform such as a armed UAV?
We have pretty robust discussions on the immediate future and out a few years but thought it might be interesting to crystal ball gaze a little further out and other scenarios.
 

kiwi in exile

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Coincidentally I saw this while browsing wiki last night:

"In January 2006, a Royal New Zealand Air Force P-3K Orion maritime patrol aircraft conducted a trial flight to and from Pegasus Airfield near McMurdo Station to determine the feasibility of conducting patrols from Antarctica in support of the Convention for the Conservation of Antarctic Marine Living Resources.[4] RNZAF P-3Ks have regularly conducted flights to and from Antarctica since this successful trial."

Referneced to a NZDF press release.
 

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New Ministerial portfolios announced - Coleman to lead Health, and Hon Gerry Brownlee to run Defence!
Interesting as he is one of the PM's 'kitchen cabinet', a marked upgrade from the past Ministerial status for Defence for the last 20 years. Hopefully this will foreshadow a greater willingness to invest over the next few budgets.
Bought this over from the RNZN thread. Could go two ways. Brownlee is a bullying type person and will bulldoze his way to get what he wants. I live in Christchurch and he is not liked by some here because he has used powers granted under the CERA (Christchurch Earthquake Recovery Act) Act to short cut planning restrictions and one was overturned by the Court of Appeal. Thing is with Christchurch is that every time there is a new development or the Council want to change the look of Cathedral Square etc., it is argued about by the city folk and goes through the legal system so many times that by the time an eventual decision is reached our grandchildren are grandparents themselves. There is a very big NIMBY syndrome here and resistance to change. So Brownlee, who is from Christchurch himself, applies the physics of a bulldozer to the problem.

With regard to Defence I do not know his stance on Defence. If he is in favour of Defence then this could be really good for NZDF, however if he is more a money man and doesn't see any or very little value in defence then he could have quite a detrimental impact upon NZDF and push / bulldoze through changes that would be quite harmful to NZDF in the long term. However Defence appears to have risen in the Cabinet rankings. Coleman was the previous Minister of Defence and he was 10th on the Cabinet list. Brownlee is third. Security and Intelligence has become an important issue for the NZG and this has been reflected in the structuring of these functions within Cabinet. By extension I would hazard a guess that Defence comes under that umbrella as well.
 

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NZ Def Minister and CofA Def Minister had their Annual Defence Ministers Meeting in Perth today.
Gerry Brownlee 31 OCTOBER, 2014
Close defence cooperation re-affirmed

Senator David Johnston and his New Zealand counterpart Gerry Brownlee met in Perth today for the annual Australia-New Zealand Defence Ministers’ Meeting.

Both Ministers were pleased to have the opportunity to meet in advance of the opening Centenary of ANZAC event at Albany on 1 November.

The next four years of Centenary of ANZAC commemorations will demonstrate that the Australia-New Zealand defence relationship, forged on the battlefields, remains strong 100 years after the start of World War I.

During this year’s meeting, Ministers affirmed the enduring strength of the defence partnership. Both countries remain committed to the relationship and look forward to further opportunities to deepen the already close cooperation between our two Defence Forces.

Ministers shared perspectives on important global and regional security issues, including recent developments in Iraq. Ministers agreed to continue to share assessments of the situation and the international response.

Ministers affirmed Australia and New Zealand would continue to work together to support capacity building across the Pacific including military training exercises, humanitarian and disaster relief, building projects and fisheries surveillance.

Ministers emphasised the continued importance of deepening practical cooperation and interoperability between our two militaries, particularly as new higher-end capabilities are brought online. New Zealand’s full participation in Exercise Talisman Sabre and Australia’s participation in New Zealand’s Exercise Southern Katipo (both in 2015) will provide opportunities to further develop this practical cooperation.

Australia thanked New Zealand for its contribution of a P3-Orion surveillance aircraft in support of the search efforts for flight MH370. The seamless integration of the aircraft into the operation demonstrated the strength of the operational relationship between our two Defence Forces.
beehive.govt.nz - Close defence cooperation re-affirmed
Nothing really new out of it.
 

Norm

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I was speaking to someone who knows Gerry well expressing my surprise at him picking up Defense.Apparently Gerry has always had an interest in the topic, if that is indeed the case that's good news.Time will tell.
 

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New Zealand’s Future Defence Force: Change or Stagnation? Part One.

This is a two part post. Part one of two.
I finally have read an article New Zealand’s Future Defence Force: Change or Stagnation? by Zhivan Alach (in Security Challenges, Vol 2 No 3 (Oct 2006) pp 63 - 76) which I found in July 2013. When he wrote this Alach was a Ph.D candidate in Political Studies at the University of Auckland researching Australian and NZ defence policy in the post Cold War world.

When a nations defence forces and policy, in this case New Zealand, are being assessed or critiqued as is the case of Alachs article, an macro view must first be taken to determine what threats may be pertinent to that country. Hence one must look at its geographical location relative to nations around it, any strengths or weaknesses that its spatial location may present, the political and foreign relations landscape including geographical areas of interest or concern as well as allies and friends etc., its security and defence structure, its internal political stability, its financial and economic stability etc., and so on. One then looks at the region it is located in and then global security and military concerns as well as military equipment, technological advances etc.

In an article one cannot delve deeply into all these topics however, they should at least be acknowledged and where possible commented upon. Alach has not done this and in doing so has ignored what was once New Zealands greatest strength, but now its Achilles heel - a nation that is the most isolated in the world and dependant for 99.5% of its trade by volume to be transported by sea. One ignores that geographical fact at ones peril.
First, conventional warfare will not disappear, but it will become extremely rare. When it does occur, it will likely be asymmetric, and involve a transformed Western force against an overall less advanced opponent.
"Extremely rare" is a somewhat emotive statement and whilst state on state warfare has occurred less frequently since 1945 it has not diminished to the extent that one could claim that it is extremely rare. Secondly, what is Alachs definition of conventional warfare? In this context, it could mean state on state warfare, but that is just a presumption and unsupported presumptions lead to flaws.
Second, the majority of conflicts will be fought between non-state actors. These will often be ethnic conflicts, and will often be fought in urban environments. Political manoeuvring will likely be as important as battlefield manoeuvre.
It may be possible that a majority of conflicts will be between state and non-state actors. Recent history supports that proposition. Some will be ethnic conflicts but more appear to be sectarian in nature with participants availing themselves of the opportunity to indulge in some ethnic cleansing. “The guerilla,” Mao Tse Tung wrote, “must move among people as a fish swims in the sea.”, hence any insurgent with some sense will immerse themselves within the local populace. Sun Tzu teaches that political manoeuvring is as important as manoeuvring upon the battlefield, and history has shown that wars are won both by force of arms and by political will.
Third, the scale of conflict will likely remain low, bar the few conventional wars mentioned earlier. The lines between military and civil operations will blur even further, and the roles of the defence force and police may become increasingly intertwined.

Fourth, land forces will be the dominant force. This is largely due to the likely intensity and nature of future conflicts. It is also due to the inherent flexibility of land forces in responding to changing circumstances. Air and naval combat forces will have reduced utility except in major conventional conflicts.
This argument has an inherently fatal flaw in it and it shows Alachs lack of knowledge regarding military matters. If one looks at the war in Afghanistan one will see that airpower in all its forms was required to support the land forces. Naval forces are also required to support and sustain land forces especially if oceans have to be crossed.
Fifth, domestic restraints on military forces will increase. There will be little acceptance of misbehaviour or casualties, and reduced military autonomy.
This is nation dependant and in recent years with the rise of technology and the internet, media scrutiny of combat zones has increased leading too combat being beamed into people's homes albeit it being edited and slanted to a particular bias. This does have both positive and negative impacts for defence forces. If a population sees a war as being just it will accept casualties as being a cost worth paying as long as the political elite are being honest with the population. Secondly, the media must accept whilst it does have a right and a duty to tell a story it must accept that at the same time it has responsibilities as well with regard to operational security. Misbehaviour in a military is something that is quite broad from sailors having a run ashore to serious crimes like Abu Graib or war crimes, but here Alach needs to define that misbehaviour.
Finally, there will be increased number of interventions by the international community. Sovereignty will further decline in importance, and the frequency of peace support and humanitarian operations will increase.
Nations have too much to lose for sovereignty to decline in importance. There may be increased interventions by the international community but the big question will always be who is going to pay for it? Will peace support increase? That depends on whose interests are involved and again who is willing to pay for it. There is no argument that Humanitarian and Disaster Relief (HADR) operations will in all likelihood increase because nations see this as soft policy options.

Alach goes on to state that there has been an increase in civil disturbance in the South Pacific with the possibly of further problems especially if Island economies decline. Furthermore, Alach cites Papua New Guinea, the Solomon Islands and East Timor as areas that have a likelihood of being increasingly problematic necessitating outside intervention, most likely by Australia and New Zealand. Finally, Alach states that Chinese power is likely to increase which will also raise its assertiveness. Alach points out that this may cause New Zealand to be pressured by Australia and the United States to rebuild the ANZUS alliance. However, ANZUS as it was pre 1985 will not be reincarnated because of New Zealands political reality and the United States neither confirm nor deny policy regarding nuclear weapons.
Since the end of the Cold War, relatively little has changed in the NZDF’s force structure, despite the major changes in the security environment. It has lost its Air Combat Wing, and two of its four frigates, but these cuts were motivated by economic rather than strategic concerns. Its training and doctrine is still focused on conventional operations. It has not expanded its special forces. It has also avoided any major moves towards improving its expeditionary capability through the acquisition of sea and air-lift. Overall, it has been stuck in a rut of conservatism and continuity.

There are several reasons for this continuity. The defence budget has declined in real terms, leading to a reduced capability to test new concepts or expand various elements of the force. There have been internal issues as well, related to this resource scarcity, with elements of the bureaucracy and defence force more concerned with the retention of force elements than a true re-evaluation of defence needs. The executive has avoided direct intervention in strategy, preferring to concern itself largely with resourcing and financial management issues. There has been little public concern, or involvement by Parliament, in defence policy. And there has been no threat to shake up this conservatism, no terrorist attack or similar, to stimulate thought as to whether New Zealand needs to change its defence force to meet the challenges of the evolving security environment.
"A rut of rut of conservatism and continuity." Within a defence force, institutional knowledge has been accumulated over time, sometimes through harsh lessons, and should not be thrown away quickly just because a new threat may surface. Because a new threat is apparent does not mean that "old" threats have suddenly become obsolete or have vanished. Many people have thought that because the Cold War ended, threats to New Zealand and its interests from hostile or potentially hostile nation states, have dramatically diminished, or even ceased to be. Unfortunately, this is not the case, nor has been the case.
Force Structure Recommendations
In order to better meet defence policy objectives in the period to 2020, several recommendations regarding the NZDF’s future force structure can be made. These would better fit the NZDF to likely future tasks: low intensity, land-based operations, from peaceful peacekeeping such as Bougainville, through to more dangerous counter-insurgencies akin to operations in Iraq today, as well as maritime patrol. They would not transform the NZDF into an RMA-paradigm force. They would not turn the NZDF into a copy of the Australian Defence Force (ADF); rather, they would enable it to assist that force by providing complementary capabilities. The recommendations seek a pragmatic balance between, on one hand, New Zealand's strategic and policy concerns and, on the other hand, the hard choices New Zealand must make in order to achieve best value from its
limited investment in military capabilities.

RECOMMENDATION ONE – A THIRD INFANTRY BATTALION
As noted earlier, future conflicts will likely require the heavy use of land forces. The NZDF currently maintains only two regular infantry battalions. As such, long-term battalion rotations are only achievable through the heavy use of reserves, and even then they cause major problems to training schedules. A third infantry battalion would allow the NZDF to deploy a battalion to operations indefinitely. This third battalion need not be motorised, as are the others. A light infantry battalion, perhaps parachute trained, able to deploy quickly and armed with light weaponry, would likely be most useful for peace support and other such operations. A third infantry battalion would also mean that in the case of a major security threat the NZDF could provide a full infantry brigade. It would also enable the NZDF to provide smaller infantry detachments for multiple operations simultaneously.
A very good recommendation. The NZ Army infantry regiment, 1 Royal New Zealand Infantry Regiment (1RNZIR) is structured as a Light Infantry regiment.
RECOMMENDATION TWO – A READY COMPANY
One shortcoming of the NZDF is its restricted readiness. For budgetary and other reasons, it lacks a true quick response capability. This means that during emerging crises it is seldom able to be the first on the scene. A solution to this might be having one infantry company ready and able to deploy within twelve hours of receiving its orders. This would allow the NZDF to make a significant early response, as Australia did in the recent eruption of violence in East Timor. By rotating the ready company amongst the twelve companies that would be maintained under a three battalion structure, the burden would not fall too heavily on a single unit. This change would also likely have foreign policy benefits. Often, in peace support operations, the first unit in is the one that receives the most attention; it is also often the first unit out. This might allow the NZDF to provide a small, but highly beneficial, contribution to operations, and one that could be quickly withdrawn.

RECOMMENDATION THREE – ENLARGE SPECIAL FORCES
In the increasingly complex future security environment, special forces will be of great utility due to their inherent flexibility. If the frequency of terrorism increases, the need for counter-terrorist forces, drawn from special forces, will also increase. The NZDF currently maintains a single SAS squadron. This force might be doubled in size, with the second squadron perhaps based near Wellington. This doubling of special forces would give the NZDF an additional domestic counter-terrorist group, located even closer to the central government. Perhaps more importantly, it would substantially improve the NZDF’s capability in expeditionary operations. An additional SAS squadron would be useful in both low and high-intensity operations, and could be used by the government as New Zealand’s contribution to operations in which other elements of the NZDF would be too vulnerable. This would have distinct foreign policy benefits.
Regarding recommendation three, this has been done to a certain extent with the formation of the Commandos.

Part 2 follows.
 
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New Zealand’s Future Defence Force: Change or Stagnation? Part Two

Part two of two

RECOMMENDATION FOUR – RECONSIDER THE NAVAL COMBAT FORCE (NCF)
The NZDF operates two Anzac-class frigates. These are incapable of high intensity combat operations due to their lack of weaponry and sensors, and do not provide a major capability in low-intensity operations. Due to the size of the fleet, they also cannot carry out a sustained long range deployment. The need for such a force has to be seriously reconsidered. The NCF might be expanded to four frigates, although this would be very expensive. An alternative would be to disband it completely and sell off the frigates, freeing up resources and personnel for other parts of the NZDF. If the NCF were disbanded, the patrol boat fleet might be expanded, and its vessels
enhanced through the fitment of additional weapons systems.
This recommendation has not been given sufficient thought and ignores completely New Zealands geography and economy, plus the following recommendation. With New Zealands direct area of interest extending to the East and South East Asia vessels such as frigates are required to escort and support the Multi Role Vessel HMNZS Canterbury plus the new Maritime Sustainment Capability that will replace the tanker HMNZS Endeavour. Both the ANZAC frigates are having their sensors and defence systems and weapons upgraded. Disbanding the Naval Combat Force (NCF) would be a very serious mistake and have very serious, possibly deleterious, ramifications for New Zealand not only in a defence capacity but also on the diplomatic front.
RECOMMENDATION FIVE - EXPAND SEA AND AIRLIFT
Future NZDF operations will almost certainly require overseas deployment. In some cases, entry into the theatre of operations may well be opposed. Currently, the NZDF’s sea and airlift capacity is limited. It has five C-130s, two 757s, and will soon have a single multi-role vessel capable of deploying a single infantry company over the beach. The acquisition of an additional sealift vessel, capable of moving heavy equipment rather than personnel, would be greatly useful. This would enable the NZDF to make a swifter response to developing crises, rather than waiting for either chartered commercial shipping or the assets of allies. Also, additional air transports might be purchased. These could be C-130s, as the 757 fleet likely provides sufficient personnel moving capacity.
The NZDF air transport project is underway and this is to inform the 2015 Defence White Paper. It is agreed that air transport does need to be modernised and that greater capability in this area needs to be obtained. New Zealand because of its location does need a strategic airlift capability and whilst some have argued for the Boeing C17 this platform would not be best suited to New Zealands needs because of cost both in acquisition and Life Of Type costs. Sealift is the second component that has to be addressed and whilst the Canterbury is providing good service, it is limited in that it can only transfer vehicles to its landing craft in open water when the seas are calm and it is dependent upon port facilities.
RECOMMENDATION SIX - MODIFY DOCTRINE AND TRAINING
Future military operations are likely to be low-intensity, intra-state, and complex. The NZDF has frequently participated in low-intensity operations, ranging from counter-insurgency through to peace support, and its personnel have often displayed great proficiency in such roles. This experience and expertise might be codified into New Zealand-specific doctrine. Also, training programmes might be modified to focus on low-intensity operations. This would not mean a loss of combat capability. Rather, it would mean a gain of combat capability in unconventional, low-intensity, irregular operations, which are likely to be the most common tasks of the 21st century. Such a shift in doctrinal and training focus would also have spin-off benefits for performance in peace support operations.
Military training and doctrine, like all other professions, follows best practice and in defence forces, this has added weight because if mistakes are made lives could be lost. Just because the NZDF has participated recently in low intensity operations, it does not mean that they do will not be called upon to participate in high intensity operations. In fact low intensity operations can and sometimes do become very highly intense very quickly.
RECOMMENDATION SEVEN – SPECIALISE RESERVES
The United States military uses parts of its reserve structure not for direct combat capability, but rather to provide specialists in various roles that are not necessarily most efficiently maintained in the military itself. The NZDF might copy this, by using the Territorials to maintain various engineering, logistics, policing, and civil affairs capabilities that are not required by the force in being but can be mobilised for operations.
This is done to a small degree in the Naval Reserves. It is a recommendation well worth looking at and does have some merit.
RECOMMENDATION EIGHT – DEVELOP CYBERWARFARE CAPABILITY
Cyberwarfare involves the use of information networks to inflict damage upon or obtain intelligence about an enemy. The acquisition of such a capability would have several benefits for New Zealand. It would be relatively cheap to develop: commercial computer technology is usually sufficient, and only a small number of highly trained operators would need to be employed. As with the special forces expansion mentioned earlier, this might be a niche capability that New Zealand could provide to high-intensity operations. It would also be useful in other situations; if a country were continually infringing on New Zealand’s EEZ, a cyber attack might be a pacific alternative to confrontation at sea and thus also provide a deterrent capability. Cyberwarfare capability would also likely be of great assistance to New Zealand’s intelligence gathering agencies, and also provide benefits in countering terrorism.
Cyberwarfare per se will not be a maritime deterrent and claiming such is pure codswallop. Alachs use of the term high intensity operations is also misleading but apart from that and the maritime deterrent claim Alach cyberwarfare does make good sense and if it hasn't been followed up should be.
POSSIBLE NEW ZEALAND DEFENCE FORCE 2020
Army
3 x Infantry Battalions (of which 2 x Motorised)
2 x SAS Squadrons

Royal New Zealand Navy
4 x Offshore Patrol Vessels
4 x Inshore Patrol Vessels
1 x Multirole Vessel
1 x Sealift Ship
3 x Frigates with a shipboard SSM capability such as the Kongsberg NSM.
5 x armed Offshore Patrol Vessels of around 3,000 tonnes with modular capability in weapons etc.
1 x 14,000 tonne Landing Helicopter Dock (LHD). This is a vessel with a through deck flight deck and a well dock which allows loading and unloading of landing craft with the landing craft floating (under power) in and out of the stern of the vessel. The Canterbury could and should be retained as a support and back up vessel.
No Inshore Patrol Craft.
Royal New Zealand Air Force
5 x P-3K2
8 x C-130 (5 x C-130H, 3 x C-130J)
2 x 757
The Airbus Military A400M airlifter does offer a more cost effective option because has a large hull dimension and carry almost twice as much than the C130 therefore offering greater flexibility and capability.
Force-Wide
Cyberwarfare Company
See above.

OBSTACLES AND CONSTRAINTS ON CHANGE
New Zealand can afford to spend more money on its defence force. Other social democracies, in similarly benign environments, devote a higher percentage of their GDP to military matters. Expenditure in other areas of government has increased dramatically in recent years; perhaps it is time to taper off spending in those areas and focus resources towards the military, to ensure New Zealand’s security, as well as assist in the maintenance of global stability.

If, as is more likely, the defence budget remains the same as current projections, only a few of the above recommendations could be implemented. The cyberwarfare capability would likely be cheap enough to acquire. Specialisation of the reserves also would not require a great deal of money. There might also be savings through internal rebalancing, although given how lean the NZDF already is, these would not be great. The disbandment of the NCF might free up enough money to purchase additional patrol vessels. An alteration in the balance between regulars and reserves, for example by expanding the Territorials, might increase the NZDF’s infantry strength. Even if these changes were implemented, they would only marginally alter the NZDF, and not markedly enhance its capability to fulfil its roles.

But money, while important, is not the only obstacle to the transformation recommended above. Structural issues, most notably bureaucratic and service conservatism, are likely to be strong forces against major changes. Naval personnel, in particular, might oppose the potential axing of the frigate fleet. Army personnel might oppose the shift in training and doctrine towards low-intensity conflict. Such opposition could be overcome by a strong Minister of Defence, supportive of these recommendations, and willing to push through the necessary changes. Other countries have done so, and the relative strength of the executive in New Zealand would make it even easier.
New Zealand is a maritime nation, in fact an island nation with its closest neighbour some 1000 nautical miles distant. A maritime nations Sea Lanes Of Communication (SLOC) are highly important to it and in the case of an island nation vital. With the advent of globalisation, an island nation does not need to be invaded in order for a hostile nation to have its will enforced. All the hostile nation has to do is to blockade the island nation by severely interrupting and interfering with its SLOC. If that hostile nation can also enforce an air blockade as well then all is lost.

Alach does raise a valid point in the ANZAC frigates being under armed in that they should have a shipboard Surface to Surface Missile (SSM) in the form of an Anti Ship Missile (AShM). They do currently have a heli-borne Air to Surface Missile (ASM) in the form of the AGM 65 Maverick missile but that requires the shipboard helicopter to launch the missile within the hostile ships Surface to Air Missile (SAM) envelope. The AGM119 Penguin missile is replacing the Maverick but this missile still has to be launched with the SAM envelope. If the shipboard Seasprite helicopter is lost then the ANZAC frigate has lost its Anti Surface Warfare (ASuW) capability, apart from its five inch gun, severely reducing its effectiveness.

Disbanding the NCF would be a very serious mistake and have very serious, possibly deleterious, ramifications for New Zealand not only in a defence capacity but also on the diplomatic front especially with our allies and friends. Of all them Australia would be the most unimpressed and after the axing of the Air Combat Force any disbanding of the Naval combat Force, in all probability would be the straw that broke the back of the ANZAC camels back.

It is accepted that the in New Zealands case money for defence has always been an issue and possibly as Alach suggests could be diverted from other expenditure to defence. However for Alach to then go on and assert that the NCF should be disbanded and the Land Forces be expanded is not a wise or practical proposition. The land forces still have to have their equipment transported by sea to their operational areas overseas and to imply that the seas are always benign is ludicrous. New Zealand cannot always rely upon allies and friends to pull its chestnut out of the fire and one day they might just say enough is enough - pull your weight and stop bludging.

Whilst Alachs article has raised one or two interesting points and made some worthwhile suggestions, overall it is an article that has insufficient understanding of New Zealands security and defence position in a geographical, diplomatic, military and economic sense. One would almost suspect that the article was politically motivated given the context of it.

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mattyem

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Oh have no problems with SAS wearing the sand coloured beret as I feel they have earnt the right + not as if they do it often anyway was just wondering why CDF does as he is not directly part of that unit. Even if he was an ex CO of said unit, shouldn't he now in his new role wear what the main bulk of the army wears as it was their idea in the first place to go one beret, just seems hypocritical. Wouldn't it be like any other per posting out of the unit and wearing their new corps uniform unless he is trying to say HQNZDF is part of NZSAS?

I know officers ironically like to stand out but just thought maybe there is a formal reason behind his role being the only one outside SAS able to wear their cloloured beret.
It is an entitlement for Officers who are above a certain rank to retain the sandy beret.
 

mattyem

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Yes Officers seem to be 'entitled' to a few things in the NZDF, alot of which is very pointless indeed
Yeah can seem pontless, though for the most part there is method to the madness. The average soldier sailor and airman have those views. I was one, as I have progressed through to a SNCO the reasons for many become apparant and understandable.
 
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